Eat. sleep. repeat.

Quoted from Son of Cod

I wholeheartedly agree with the vast majority of that. I don't think that going through x years of crap is a justification of going out of your way to be negative though. Teams often go through a lot worse than us in a shorter space of time. I don't think the non-league was particularly bad either, it was infinitely more enjoyable than pretty much every season between 05/06 and going down.

This reads almost troll-like in its contrariness. What’s next? Blaming the TV money fiasco again? I could not give a rat’s hindquarters what other clubs have gone through and I think non-league was an appalling period for the club. But there again I’m only speaking as a member of the Toxic Fans Society.

. Supporters have always chuntered about managers. Buckley was subject to it more than once, so was George Kerr and they were our most successful in my time. God knows what you would have made of the years when we had people like Lyons and Don McAvoy.  

People are entitled though to take a manager at his word and question whether he is on the right track. As to experience, a year is plenty in my view. By now we should be seeing the fruits of a playing method developed under an umbrella of goodwill and patience from the stands. Are we? Are we spherical objects! When comment is made to that effect on here all we get are the same tired mantas - budget, budget, budget plus inexperience. It is neither toxic nor unfair nor unreasonable to expect better after 12 months of the messiah. The words “give him time” have a bit of a hollow ring now.

Quoted from Son of Cod

I've heard Town players berated in the first few minutes of matches before even kicking a ball, I'd argue that those people are going out of their way to be negative.


Well, I wouldn't consider myself superior to anyone but glad to read that you think I am - thank you.

They might be being negative, and it might be unhelpful behaviour. And boring to boot. But why do you think someone would actually try to be negative? Bizarre thinking. Seems like it says more about you than them.

You can thank me all you like. Clearly I wasn't suggesting you were actually superior.

Quoted from Son of Cod

I couldn't disagree with that more to be honest. Do you ever go watch other teams play? As in go to matches that don't involve Town? The amount of fans we have that are seemingly desperate to tear into certain players/scapegoats compared to most other away ends I've been in is alarming.

I have the benefit of getting around a lot of clubs and sitting in their home ends. Chesterfield v Maidenhead earlier this season was probably the most toxic atmosphere I have been in. They lost 3-1 and it was about 9 games into Martin Allen's awful run.  Last season, Rotherham got promoted and were around the play-offs all season but their supporters were not happy.

Over the last 17 years we have had an expectation to be higher up the league table than we have been. Football is an expensive day out and we have a right to want value for money. In 33 of our 41 games this season we have scored 1 or less. With statistics like that you can see why people are staying away.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

                                 In 33 of our 41 games this season we have scored 1 or less. With statistics like that you can see why people are staying away.

I never realised that those are terrible stats.

Now 34 out of 42.  Pretty shocking.

Only Port Vale (36), Cambridge (37) and Yeovil (3 have scored less than our 41 goals this season.

Oldham (13th) and Carlisle (8th) are the only 2 teams with over 60 goals not in the top 7. Statistics only tell part of the story but we are a 20 goal striker away from competing at the top end.

And I went to a game at BP when we were 6-0 up at half-time.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

This reads almost troll-like in its contrariness. What’s next? Blaming the TV money fiasco again? I could not give a rat’s hindquarters what other clubs have gone through and I think non-league was an appalling period for the club. But there again I’m only speaking as a member of the Toxic Fans Society.

. Supporters have always chuntered about managers. Buckley was subject to it more than once, so was George Kerr and they were our most successful in my time. God knows what you would have made of the years when we had people like Lyons and Don McAvoy.  

People are entitled though to take a manager at his word and question whether he is on the right track. As to experience, a year is plenty in my view. By now we should be seeing the fruits of a playing method developed under an umbrella of goodwill and patience from the stands. Are we? Are we spherical objects! When comment is made to that effect on here all we get are the same tired mantas - budget, budget, budget plus inexperience. It is neither toxic nor unfair nor unreasonable to expect better after 12 months of the messiah. The words “give him time” have a bit of a hollow ring now.

Who exactly proclaimed him the messiah? He inherited a terrible squad and I believe he himself said he'd need at least three transfer windows to get us anywhere near competitive. It took us six years to get out the last division with a top five budget every season. Interesting to note that the first few paragraphs of Codalmighty today are essentially saying all I've been saying.

In terms of seeing the fruits of a playing method, it's quite clear that Jolley has made us harder to break down and more solid at the back. We're obviously lacking creativity and a goal threat, but building from the back first isn't such a bad thing is it?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

They might be being negative, and it might be unhelpful behaviour. And boring to boot. But why do you think someone would actually try to be negative? Bizarre thinking. Seems like it says more about you than them.

You can thank me all you like. Clearly I wasn't suggesting you were actually superior.

I neither really know nor care about what you're getting at by insinuating that what I've said says something about my character. To me though, if someone is getting on the backs of players 30 seconds into a match then yeah - they're going out of their way to be negative. I'm not sure what you find so bizarre about that.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Who exactly proclaimed him the messiah? He inherited a terrible squad and I believe he himself said he'd need at least three transfer windows to get us anywhere near competitive. It took us six years to get out the last division with a top five budget every season. Interesting to note that the first few paragraphs of Codalmighty today are essentially saying all I've been saying.

In terms of seeing the fruits of a playing method, it's quite clear that Jolley has made us harder to break down and more solid at the back. We're obviously lacking creativity and a goal threat, but building from the back first isn't such a bad thing is it?


I neither really know nor care about what you're getting at by insinuating that what I've said says something about my character. To me though, if someone is getting on the backs of players 30 seconds into a match then yeah - they're going out of their way to be negative. I'm not sure what you find so bizarre about that.

Well to make it plain enough to understand....if you think that someone goes out of their way to be a miserable fornicator (rather than either just being made that way/ending up that way through life's bitter experiences) then it shows how perversely you think. You really think someone thinks about how they're going to be and says to themself 'either I can just be neutral or positive without much effort, or I can pull my finger out and put my back into being negative'?!

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Well to make it plain enough to understand....if you think that someone goes out of their way to be a miserable fornicator (rather than either just being made that way/ending up that way through life's bitter experiences) then it shows how perversely you think. You really think someone thinks about how they're going to be and says to themself 'either I can just be neutral or positive without much effort, or I can pull my finger out and put my back into being negative'?!

Oh, I think there are people like that. However, I also think there are people who genuinely like to complain and moan about things.