CA Cryptic Comment Conundrum

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

My post was about how he has benefited from that initial investment, and it is obviously a fact that since his tenure the fans have provided most of the funds to keep the club going.

If you mean in respect of gate money, STs and shop sales surely that's how it should be anyway (apart from any transfer profits that is) No club can expect a benefactor to keep chipping in every season. I would also argue that the money he put in was in no sense of the word an investment. He bailed us out or we would have gone under.

Also whether it was an investment or not I totally fail to see how he has benefitted in any way, quite the opposite in fact with all the excrement that is constantly thrown at him.

Quoted from Ipswin

If you mean in respect of gate money, STs and shop sales surely that's how it should be anyway (apart from any transfer profits that is) No club can expect a benefactor to keep chipping in every season. I would also argue that the money he put in was in no sense of the word an investment. He bailed us out or we would have gone under.

Also whether it was an investment or not I totally fail to see how he has benefitted in any way, quite the opposite in fact with all the excrement that is constantly thrown at him.

My post explained the benefits accrued from his initial investment (the money to bail us out)

18 years or whatever it is of complete stagnation on and off the field obviously shows he has neither the money nor clout nor acument to attract any new investment that has moved us on one jot. That is the point I am making - yes we are grateful for the intial money, but he has done nothing since; not only that but despite the benefits of the owner of a football league club as explained in my post, he has the gall to want his money back.

Of course, he has had vehement criticism, but has got off relatively lightly.

18 x £300 = £5,400.. He's saved himself about £5,400 on a season ticket by lending the club a few million pound and spending countless hours of his own time decorating, fixing, building, talking at forums etc...  

Quoted from lukeo

18 x £300 = £5,400.. He's saved himself about £5,400 on a season ticket by lending the club a few million pound and spending countless hours of his own time decorating, fixing, building, talking at forums etc...  

Dont forget the interest each year on 2 Mil which he would have earned  if it had stayed in his bank plus the interest the club saved on not having to borrow it of a normal lender.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

Dont forget the interest each year on 2 Mil which he would have earned if it had stayed in his bank plus the interest the club saved on not having to borrow it of a normal lender.

Or the money the club has lost, approximately 3 million pounds for the 6 years in non league alone.

Or the money thrown away at tribunals because don’t understand/follow protocol. Or the sums wasted on dead duck white elephant stadium chases.

I’m being facetious..everyone can go around and interpret events,decisions etc as they see fit. Of course it’ll never get into a position where all agree. Some will radically change their mind after years of online abuse/questioning and go to stoic defence of club hierarchy. Each to their own.

Rather than be an endless debate on the past - should it now be a debate/opinion based on the future??

Ie. Has John Fenty done/gone as far as he can and club needs fresh approach to go forward?

Or should John Fenty carry on longer term with help of others (if such a scenario could work)?

Should the club operate as per now ?

Will the eventual moving into Freemo (again if it ever happens) mean the club is forced to take a new approach??

Quoted from arryarryarry

Or the money the club has lost, approximately 3 million pounds for the 6 years in non league alone.

The club did not loose money whilst in the conference so I presume you mean potential extra earnings which is relative to the costs you pay on wages
Why not go further and say under another chairman we could have been in the Prem so JF cost us 100mil a season

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

Why not go further and say under another chairman we could have been in the Prem so JF cost us 100mil a season

Because we don’t know for certain we would have been in the prem  

But I am 100% certain we ACTUALLY  were in the conference.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

The club did not loose money whilst in the conference so I presume you mean potential extra earnings which is relative to the costs you pay on wages
Why not go further and say under another chairman we could have been in the Prem so JF cost us 100mil a season

Understand what you are saying Rob about the accountancy, but even though the club broke even in the Conference, the club could have broken even in League One or Two and fans could have watched better players and better games in front of bigger crowds with better atmospheres against the likes of Bradford, Barnsley, Scunny, Portsmouth etc instead of Hayes & Yeading, Braintree, Chasetown etc. Enjoyment of fans and their pride in their club and the reputation and standing of GTFC has to come into it too. And lets not forget due to FFP rules, the percentage of EFL money not allowed to be spent on playing budget could have been invested in the infrastructure of the club in the "lost years". There's a lot more factors and impacts than just breaking even and cutting cloth accordingly to consider when we dropped out of the league. We surely would have been a lot more attractive to potential investors and breaking even would have been far more fun and far less embarrassing if we were cutting a cloth that included EFL payments of several million in those six years. It was a disaster that can't be offset with boasts of a prudent cost cutting exercise, and god knows how many young kids in the area decided that Grimsby Town wasn't for them and chose Man City, Chelsea etc because Town weren't even a Football League club. Books could be balanced in National League North by reducing playing budget too, but it wouldn't make it right would it?

Roll on a fresh start some time soon for all parties..

can anyone give me a couple of guesstimates please?

a) what our average annual wage bill was in the conference and what it is now
and
b) how much will we have saved by paying up Welsh's contact if we assume he was on £2k p.w.