Give Jolley 3 year deal

Quoted from GollyGTFC

2 of our last 15 permanent managers (spanning nearly 25 years) have lasted 3 years or more. To commit to 4 and a bit years of MJ when he’s only won just 17 league games out of 42 and lost 18 strikes me as being ridiculous.

How very long MJ is under contract if someone like Stoke City approached him (like with Nathan Jones) he’ll be gone whether he’s got 6 months or 3 years left on his contract.

He may well be gone but a 3 year contract with a compensation clause (like Lincoln have with Danny Cowley) would surely suit us better than someone just paying us 6 months!

Quoted from GollyGTFC

2 of our last 15 permanent managers (spanning nearly 25 years) have lasted 3 years or more. To commit to 4 and a bit years of MJ when he’s only won just 17 league games out of 42 and lost 18 strikes me as being ridiculous.

How very long MJ is under contract if someone like Stoke City approached him (like with Nathan Jones) he’ll be gone whether he’s got 6 months or 3 years left on his contract.

You are completely missing the point. He may have won less games than he's lost but he also took over probably the worst squad in the club's history who were 3/4 of the way through the club's second worst run of form ever. He somehow managed to keep that team up and with a limited budget and less than a year in the job has already improved the side and squad immeasurably.

Yes he would be gone if a big team approached him but we would get significantly more compensation if he had a 3 year contract as opposed to a 6 month one. If a manager is successful then a long contract protects the club, it's only if the manager is useless and needs sacking that a long contract becomes a millstone around a club's neck. Look at the Cowley's down the road, their long contract and large release clause means nobody has really looked at poaching them with serious interest allowing Lincoln more time to improve with a good management pair. MJ might not have technically had any success yet but if you can't see the improvements in the side and be encouraged then I think you should find another hobby.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

2 of our last 15 permanent managers (spanning nearly 25 years) have lasted 3 years or more. To commit to 4 and a bit years of MJ when he’s only won just 17 league games out of 42 and lost 18 strikes me as being ridiculous.

How very long MJ is under contract if someone like Stoke City approached him (like with Nathan Jones) he’ll be gone whether he’s got 6 months or 3 years left on his contract.

You described 3 years as daft, not 4 and a bit.

Yes if a big team comes in then he would maybe go, but we’d have a damn sight more protection and compensation than a rolling 6 month deal offers!

Quoted from GollyGTFC

No ones going to be interested in MJ until he’s won promotion. I would suggest we wait until then before we start handing out daft contracts.

You mean like when we kept Paul Hurst on a rolling contract and he was in his car two months into the season following promotion?

There's an argument for not getting carried away.  Turn of the year Jolley was the best thing since sliced bread, defeats to Lincoln and FGR with a changed system and he was out of his depth, 3 wins on the bounce and he's the messiah again...

But there's no denying that something special is happening here.  There's a building job going on and we're starting to see beyond the plans and foundations, we can see something that is working.  If we're not offering longer terms to Jolley, we should be.

Jolley is like anyone else at the end of the day, he won't be here forever and if he continues to impress he'll be managing a bigger club than us in the long term.  When that happens we want to make sure we're as well compensated as is possible.  

But we also want to make sure Jolley is happy here to get the most out of him.  What sort of message does it send when you're doing a good job with no long-term offer made to keep you?  The longer he's on a short-term deal, the higher the risk that someone will dangle a substantive deal to him and whisk him away.   You say no-one will be interested until he gets promoted, I disagree.  The Cowley's haven't got Lincoln a league promotion yet they clearly had suitors last summer.  Paul Tisdale hadn't got Exeter promoted yet he (albeit having seen his contract run down) walked straight into a job that I don't doubt paid better.  You can almost see it, Lincoln get promoted and their managers are poached by say Peterborough, Lincoln in turn look up the A46 and recognise the job Jolley and his team have done, dangle a 3-year deal with the promise of all the backroom support he wants.  We end up with six-months compensation.  

Jolley's stock will be rising and it's poor business if we're not trying to tie him down.  He's an asset, just like any of our players.  

If you don’t tie him down, then we are always going to be 6 months from searching for a new manager.

Quoted from diehardmariner

There's an argument for not getting carried away.  Turn of the year Jolley was the best thing since sliced bread, defeats to Lincoln and FGR with a changed system and he was out of his depth, 3 wins on the bounce and he's the messiah again...

I can't really get away from this tbh.

For what it's worth, I'm very much a flag waver for Jolley and have been pretty much all along. But you just know that three defeats down the line, the tone will revert to "out of his depth". It's depressing, but it's football.

A 6 month rolling contract means nothing to other clubs.  I agree with others that whilst there was a few bad results (my beef was when he changed the system after winning), I do think MJ is building something good.  

The 3 year deal is all about protecting the club and getting something in return for our asset.  It will mean the smaller LG1 clubs will stay away unless they can afford to pay us the compensation.  Sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture, if MJ left for another team, say that was in our division, we would have to start again from scratch, and there is no guarantees the next manager would continue the build, he'll probably pull it to shreds.  

Take PH as soon as we get promoted lower end league 1 teams were sniffing.  (although PH didn't get it, MJ does)

Quoted from marinerdazza

I can't really get away from this tbh.

For what it's worth, I'm very much a flag waver for Jolley and have been pretty much all along. But you just know that three defeats down the line, the tone will revert to "out of his depth". It's depressing, but it's football.

For me it boils down to frustration.  Frustrated as I know the players can play, they just need to be consistent.   I would also imagine that others may have felt the same, or apprehensive as we seem to have this "looking over our shoulder mentality".  I'm sick of looking down, and now its time we started looking up and forward.  

If they are on 6 month rolling contracts the if they seem to be doing a good job, then it’s so easy for a failing quite small club, like say Shrewsbury to poach them.

Only 2 months ago everyone was calling for his head lol


He does eem to be building well so how about a years rolling contract with built in move on clause.