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February 5, 2019, 10:45pm

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Some big figures being banded about. I want to know how much was in the brown envelopes.
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I always thought Lennie played apart in nearly ruining the club along with the ownership of the club at the time, I heard 13,000 a week Zhang Enhua, David Neilsen would have been decent wage aswell, £160,000 on Menno Willems.

A experienced manager like Lennie Lawrence should have been more responsible.
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but we had the promisded bsb money  


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Remember Lawrence famously accused us (or rather the board) of having a small club mentality and that was holding us back.  

In the end, I think he was just high expense and had to go.
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I think him and the then board wanted us to move forward, but with the On Digital crash it all went pear shaped.
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I was always under the understanding the package Zhang was on was worth £12k a week, but that included everything including his accommodation, flights etc.


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I don't know how much blame can be apportioned to LL for the spending.

Isn't it the board's job to give him a budget? And then say yes or no to any requests above and beyond that initial budget?

We could debate how he spent the money all day long (Enhua was overrated IMO and it killed me at the time losing Handyside at the end of that season), but the fact that he spent money he was allowed to spend is hardly his fault I wouldn't have thought.


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The first figure I heard was back around the time he was here, or shortly after. That was when it was rumoured to be £6000. So it gets bigger all the time.


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I always thought Lennie played apart in nearly ruining the club along with the ownership of the club at the time, I heard 13,000 a week Zhang Enhua, David Neilsen would have been decent wage aswell, £160,000 on Menno Willems.

A experienced manager like Lennie Lawrence should have been more responsible.


Yeah the £13k figure is one that I've heard many times, I seem to remember David Neilsen wanted £6k a week to make his loan permanent but we wouldn't sanction it - which at the time seems a bit odd if the Enhua figure was correct.

Completely forget that we paid a fee for Menno, didn't we pay that fee for him even though he was due to a free agent a matter of weeks later?

Lawrence has had a good career in the game because he was a decent manager and knows his stuff.  He came in here at a time when we were in a bit of a rut.  Buckley MK II had run out of steam and was stagnant.  In the previous six months we had sold Lee Ashcroft and Jack Lester for relative pittances and were relatively toothless. The summer recruitment consisted of Paul Raven and Michael Jeffrey, the previous season had ended with a whimper and in all truth Buckley had probably run out of ideas - possibly the new board had lost faith in him too.  The way money was afforded to Lawrence yet Buckley had to make do with bargain basement signings probably summed it up.  That summer we also failed to hold onto Mark Lever who left for Bristol City, a league lower but no doubt better wages.

Lawrence recognised what we needed straight away, a more physical approach.  We lacked pace and presence, he set about bringing that in straight away.  Yeah he wasn't exactly tight with the purse strings but he only spent what he was told he could.  It was actually quite exciting at first as he brought in a Foreign Legion of trialists and signings, some good-some less so.  He also recognised that there was a massive gap between the youth team and the first team, we had nothing in the middle so he tasked Paul Wilkinson with bringing in lads released or due to be released by other clubs who would give us a number of 18-21 year olds who would be the next generation.  I can't remember them all but Simon Ford, Chris Thompson, Chris Bolder and a couple of Dutch lads came in.  Ford looked like he would be a break-out star, Thompson had all the ability in the world but just lacked the attitude and Bolder made a fair number of appearances for us if failing to be spectacular.  He found Michael Boulding who was just released from Mansfield and managed to play a big role in turning his career around.  9 months after getting lobbed on the scrapheap as an erratic left winger from Mansfield, he had secured a free-transfer to Premiership Aston Villa as a pacy and lethal striker.

His time here tied in with the boardroom upheaval with Bryan Huxford and Doug Everitt heading it up.  They had big ideas and plans and Lawrence was the man they saw to deliver it.  He had contacts and for all his faults, you can't claim he didn't have ambitions.  I remember soon after coming here he addressed a fans forum with something along the lines of 'Charlton were a smaller club than us when I took them to the top flight and there's no reason I can't take Grimsby to the top flight either'.  The place absolutely erupted!

In the end he just ran out of steam.  He kept bringing foreign lads in who were no better than what we had, the first influx were decent and an improvement but the quality dwindled.  I think the players began to lose a bit of faith too.  Putting Peter Handyside on the sidelines when he was still the best defender at the club was just odd.  Especially when we were going with a centre-back pairing of Zhang Enhua and Paul Groves instead.  Groves was a class midfielder but wasn't fit to lace Handyside's boots at the back.  Enhua was average at best in my opinion, in fact I always felt his defending left a lot to be desired.
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