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What question would you ask JF at the Trust open evening ?
My question........is the repayment of the director's loan impacting on the playing budget ?
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Why do you think you are the right person to choose our next owner of our club?
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What is it you would like from a prospective new buyer/investor of the club?
Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?
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What is your price for relinquishing control of the club?
What other conditions would prospective buyers have to meet in order to convince you that the cub's interests would be taken care of? Be specific.
Why didn't you buy shares like Mike Parker did?
Was there ever a real scheme on the table for Peaks Parkway that would have subsidised the cost of the new stadium or did you hope that something would turn up?
If there was a scheme, how much would that have left the club having to find?
Why does the ground have to be on the same site as the enabling development? How is this consistent with Extreme's search for other development sites to help with the cost? Why for instance couldn't it have been by Freeman Street with the housing built at PP?
What has been done to attract bigger crowds and increase season ticket sales at Blundell Park since getting back into the League in 2016?
What has been your biggest achievement since taking control of the club?
What would you say was your biggest mistake since taking control of the club?
That was time wasted. Doubt any of those will get answered.
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What question would you ask JF at the Trust open evening ?
My question........is the repayment of the director's loan impacting on the playing budget ?
My biggest bugbear. 200k could have bought Bowman and paid his wages! But we not in desperate need of a target man/goalscorer so all is well 🙄
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Do you still think there's a 70% chance that there'll be a new stadium at Peaks Parkway?
What happened to/with Extreme Leisure (as it's some time since we heard from them)?
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How much of your loans have the club paid off in the past 2 years and are we close to becoming 'debt free'
Something inside we tells me he is slowly taking back his money (which most town fans will be happy about) and once he's got every penny back will announce the club is debt free and something will happen. Don't know what but something is brewing.
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What plan do you have for using the FA cup money received, which is substantial for a club like us
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How much did we make from the FA cup ?
How much of your "benign" loan has been paid back ?
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Why don't you want the stadium to be built in Freeman St., surely it makes sense if it helps the regeneration of the area or do you not care?
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Why don't you want the stadium to be built in Freeman St., surely it makes sense if it helps the regeneration of the area or do you not care?
THIS and the Council seeming to back a build here surely he should grab it? In the 18 years you have been in charge you have seen the Club in 4 of the top 5 Divisions but the home crowds have pretty much stayed at 4k . I as a supporter of 40 years have never seen the football club do anything different to increase the support and like I say 18 of those with you in charge. What do you intend doing about this obvious marketing failure ,and don`t you agree with many supporters it`s high time GTFC had a change of direction in that area of the Club to drive it forward?
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What is your price for relinquishing control of the club?
What other conditions would prospective buyers have to meet in order to convince you that the cub's interests would be taken care of? Be specific.
This is all that should be asked and answered on the night. I'm honestly interested in why Fenty is obsessed with Peaks Parkway, the income streams from the cup run, the issues with Freeman Street...but these are all small fry compared to moving this current regime on and in turn moving the club forward. Name your price, John. Price and any conditions. No waffle about custodians of the club and safeguarding the future, let us (and the wider world) know how much it would take and what assurances you feel are required to achieve a successful transfer of ownership. You never know, there might just be someone lurking in the room who can meet that criteria!
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Why are we languishing behind clubs of a similar stature when we have gone through similar experiences in terms of “football fortune”?
In the recent past the club has had 3 Wembley visits, a PO final win, 2 PO semi-finals, a couple of decent FA Cup runs, record ST sales, sold a £30k player for over a million quid and sold a freebie in Dembele for a 6-figure-fee: why have the club been unable to kick on?
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Why are we languishing behind clubs of a similar stature when we have gone through similar experiences in terms of “football fortune”?
In the recent past the club has had 3 Wembley visits, a PO final win, 2 PO semi-finals, a couple of decent FA Cup runs, record ST sales, sold a £30k player for over a million quid and sold a freebie in Dembele for a 6-figure-fee: why have the club been unable to kick on?
Because he's been clawing back loans! The question is whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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At the current rate of roughly £200k per year going out to service loans, it’s going to be another 10 years before Fenty’s paid off. Is that sustainable?
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At the current rate of roughly £200k per year going out to service loans, it’s going to be another 10 years before Fenty’s paid off. Is that sustainable?
Not at all. No plan, no new money, no stadium = what's next?
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Our floodlights must JUST make the required level of illumination, they are rubbish really. Why can't the club up rate the lighting with the proviso that they can be re-sited in the new ground or is that to difficult to organise?
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If the Trust has to pay a large sum to have somebody as a director, how much do the other directors contribute each year?
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What is the point of Michael Chapman being on the board? What does he bring to the club? What does he offer other than to side with majority shareholder on any vote?
Do you feel that petty ‘spats’ over the years, with local radio, journalists, fans, message boards etc has been productive? Or should that time spent being involved be used more productively?
Why the stubborn stance on Peakes Parkway, when despite what ‘polls’ might suggest there’s a million and one reasons why it’s not the right location?
What evidence is there of these supposed income streams of suggested ‘annexes’ of new ground?
Why has it been nigh on impossible to have a good working relationship with anyone other than associates?
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Why are we here at this meeting when we could be enjoying ourselves?
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If the Trust has to pay a large sum to have somebody as a director, how much do the other directors contribute each year?
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If the Trust has to pay a large sum to have somebody as a director, how much do the other directors contribute each year?
Hasn't that been answered numerous times on here as well as at a previous forum.
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If you are paid all your money in full, in a legal document, in instalments over an agreed period of time, would you sever all ties with the club to give it some breathing space and the fresh start it so badly needs?
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I think it's extremely important not to get bogged down in current or recent events and concentrate solely on the future of the club. After eighteen years in charge everyone has to accept that there's not going to be a sudden change of ethos when it comes to how the club is run on a day to day basis. The three subjects that need discussing are, parameters set for someone else to take over the club, the new stadium and the lack of inward investment.
My questions are written randomly below. as I can't make it, please free to use any of them if they match what you want to ask. I'll still email them to the Trust beforehand..
Is the club actively looking to relocate to a new stadium? If so, has it the funds to progress with it? Even just the administrative costs, ie architects, planning etc?
Why does there seem to be a lack of clarity about what the council are proposing regarding Freeman Street and why are you in the dark if you're a councillor yourself?
Why do you keep insisting that PP is the best way forward and in another breath outline the reasons why it most likely will never come to fruition?
Are the board of GTFC PLC actively looking for new investment at this present moment in time or have you given up? Are you moving heaven and earth to find external investment that is badly needed or do you think your come and find us attitude will get the job done? And as directors of a PLC shouldn’t it be your primary roles for a PLC that is so badly funded and on paper can't be signed off by the accountant as fully solvent?
If you're looking for new investors, do you think there are better ways to market the club is for sale or open to new investment other than solely the club website which has such a small audience? Do you think this could be improved to widen the net and make it more public knowledge than it is?
As you are the current custodian of the club and whether you want to leave or not the club has to progress. What is your vision for the next five, ten and twenty years for the club or are you maintaining the status quo until you get your money back? If you’re waiting to get your money back, do you think it’s fair on the fans to suffer in the meantime? When your loan is fully repaid, your total investment in the club will stand at 700k, is 700k the investment benchmark for any new investor or does that only apply to you? I say 700k because when you’re paid up and eventually leave, you’re going to hand the shares back to the Trust right?
To date we haven't got anything other than more of the same. Competitive budget, let’s get to 50 points, pack the park etc etc etc. Do you think that is enough to enthuse the fanbase without a long term vision for them to buy into to get more bums on seats? Or is it all on MJ's shoulders and then what happens when he leaves?
I've never doubted that you and SM can balance the books every year and keep the club in a stagnant position but as we're now in 2019 and the football world has moved on at a fast pace in the past thirty years and is leaving us behind in so many ways, we obviously need new investment, fresh ideas and a new stadium. As the custodian of the club can you set out a clear fully costed plan that we can envisage?
Do you think that eighteen years of being perennial League Two strugglers or non-league is an acceptable record on the pitch? If not, why is there so much antagonism towards fans that find that record so unacceptable? After all this time, surely you should be more accepting of that poor record and fully understand that fans are frustrated, and nothing personal, they are just making an honest assessment of your professional record as custodian of the club and have every right to do so as they are the paying customers and emotionally committed for life?
What is your price to leave? And would you write some of the loans off to enable the takeover to invest more in the club rather than it going directly into your pocket? Do you feel personally responsible for the club dropping out of the league and missing out on 3m of EFL payments? If so, do you feel morally obliged to offset this in any way?
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I think it's extremely important not to get bogged down in current or recent events and concentrate solely on the future of the club. After eighteen years in charge everyone has to accept that there's not going to be a sudden change of ethos when it comes to how the club is run on a day to day basis. The three subjects that need discussing are, parameters set for someone else to take over the club, the new stadium and the lack of inward investment.
My questions are written randomly below. as I can't make it, please free to use any of them if they match what you want to ask. I'll still email them to the Trust beforehand..
Is the club actively looking to relocate to a new stadium? If so, has it the funds to progress with it? Even just the administrative costs, ie architects, planning etc?
Why does there seem to be a lack of clarity about what the council are proposing regarding Freeman Street and why are you in the dark if you're a councillor yourself?
Why do you keep insisting that PP is the best way forward and in another breath outline the reasons why it most likely will never come to fruition?
Are the board of GTFC PLC actively looking for new investment at this present moment in time or have you given up? Are you moving heaven and earth to find external investment that is badly needed or do you think your come and find us attitude will get the job done? And as directors of a PLC shouldn’t it be your primary roles for a PLC that is so badly funded and on paper can't be signed off by the accountant as fully solvent?
If you're looking for new investors, do you think there are better ways to market the club is for sale or open to new investment other than solely the club website which has such a small audience? Do you think this could be improved to widen the net and make it more public knowledge than it is?
As you are the current custodian of the club and whether you want to leave or not the club has to progress. What is your vision for the next five, ten and twenty years for the club or are you maintaining the status quo until you get your money back? If you’re waiting to get your money back, do you think it’s fair on the fans to suffer in the meantime? When your loan is fully repaid, your total investment in the club will stand at 700k, is 700k the investment benchmark for any new investor or does that only apply to you? I say 700k because when you’re paid up and eventually leave, you’re going to hand the shares back to the Trust right?
To date we haven't got anything other than more of the same. Competitive budget, let’s get to 50 points, pack the park etc etc etc. Do you think that is enough to enthuse the fan base and provide a vision for them to buy into and get more bums on seats? Or is it all on MJ's shoulders and then what happens when he leaves?
I've never doubted that you and SM can balance the books every year and keep the club in a stagnant position but as we're now in 2019 and the football world has moved on at a fast pace in the past thirty years and is leaving us behind in so many ways, we obviously need new investment, fresh ideas and a new stadium. As the custodian of the club can you set out a clear fully costed plan that we can envisage?
Do you think that eighteen years of being perennial League Two strugglers or non-league is an acceptable record on the pitch? If not, why is there so much antagonism towards fans that find that record so unacceptable? After all this time, surely you should be more accepting of that poor record and fully understand that fans are frustrated, and nothing personal, they are just making an honest assessment of your professional record as custodian of the club and have every right to do so as they are the paying customers and emotionally committed for life?
What is your price to leave? And would you write some of the loans off to enable the takeover to invest more in the club rather than it going directly into your pocket? Do you feel personally responsible for the club dropping out of the league and missing out on 3m of EFL payments? If so, do you feel morally obliged to offset this in any way?
FFS you don't like short sharp posts do you? How long do you think this meeting is going to last? I hope those attending take their pyjamas and a flask of cocoa
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Hasn't that been answered numerous times on here as well as at a previous forum.
I wasn't at the forum Tommy and can't remember a specific answer on here, but I have seen several people mention some are perhaps on good freebies, for little contribution. Perhaps you could inform us of their financial input?
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I wasn't at the forum Tommy and can't remember a specific answer on here, but I have seen several people mention some are perhaps on good freebies, for little contribution. Perhaps you could inform us of their financial input?
I think it's Barralad (may be mistaken) that usually posts the detailed explanation on here about it. But I think the gist of it is that the bars at BP make around £30k a year. And the Trust were given those bars to run to show that they were a capable organisation basically, so the £30k the bars make (assuming they're run well enough etc) goes to the club from the Trust (which is money they would've had previous to the MT taking over the bars) and the Trust show themselves to be viable business people. I think MT possibly retain anything from the bars over and above the £30k, though I'm not sure. Can't answer about other directors because I don't know.
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FFS you don't like short sharp posts do you? How long do you think this meeting is going to last? I hope those attending take their pyjamas and a flask of cocoa
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How much do you estimate being chair / supremo of GTFC has been worth to you during your tenure in terms of advertising for you and your business and personal kudos despite your truly awful record?
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Can't the trust condense all these questions and get him to give a detailed response? All he uses these types of meetings for is to prove he has the whip hand, which he does. And as an ego boost of course.
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Can we build the houses at PP and the stadium at Freeman St. ?
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Have the Board apologised to Matt Dean?
I thought we were supposed to be taking things seriously here?
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I think it's Barralad (may be mistaken) that usually posts the detailed explanation on here about it.
But I think the gist of it is that the bars at BP make around £30k a year. And the Trust were given those bars to run to show that they were a capable organisation basically, so the £30k the bars make (assuming they're run well enough etc) goes to the club from the Trust (which is money they would've had previous to the MT taking over the bars) and the Trust show themselves to be viable business people. I think MT possibly retain anything from the bars over and above the £30k, though I'm not sure.
Can't answer about other directors because I don't know.
I think it’s absolutely irrelevant whether The Trust, as an entity, could make a few bob as that’s not what they’re there to do. And if we’re judging board members on their ability to bring money into the club, then the current lot would be out on their sorry arses. The bars have always been a distraction and the £30k has always been a method of tying the Trust’s hands behind its back, preventing them from holding the board to account. The board either value the opinion of fans, in which case drop the £30k, or they don’t - in which case the Trust should be free to properly get stuck into Fenty & co.
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I think it’s absolutely irrelevant whether The Trust, as an entity, could make a few bob as that’s not what they’re there to do. And if we’re judging board members on their ability to bring money into the club, then the current lot would be out on their sorry arses.
The bars have always been a distraction and the £30k has always been a method of tying the Trust’s hands behind its back, preventing them from holding the board to account.
The board either value the opinion of fans, in which case drop the £30k, or they don’t - in which case the Trust should be free to properly get stuck into Fenty & co.
Our major shareholder has zero respect for the trust. Zero. I know this as a fact through the conversation he and I had last year.
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Our major shareholder has zero respect for the trust. Zero. I know this as a fact through the conversation he and I had last year.
Not surprising given the way the Trust from top to bottom caved in and gave him half those shares given by Mike Parker.
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Can't the trust condense all these questions and get him to give a detailed response? All he uses these types of meetings for is to prove he has the whip hand, which he does. And as an ego boost of course.
Are you joking? That just gives him scope to merge everything together and waffle.
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FFS you don't like short sharp posts do you? How long do you think this meeting is going to last? I hope those attending take their pyjamas and a flask of cocoa
No way. Didn't you know flasks are banned?
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I think it's Barralad (may be mistaken) that usually posts the detailed explanation on here about it.
But I think the gist of it is that the bars at BP make around £30k a year. And the Trust were given those bars to run to show that they were a capable organisation basically, so the £30k the bars make (assuming they're run well enough etc) goes to the club from the Trust (which is money they would've had previous to the MT taking over the bars) and the Trust show themselves to be viable business people. I think MT possibly retain anything from the bars over and above the £30k, though I'm not sure.
Can't answer about other directors because I don't know.
Thank you Tommy. it was the other directors financial input that I was referring to initially, as many are sceptical that some of them are not contributing anywhere near that kind of sum. I assume it must be in the financial figures.
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Why is the flask ban not enforced? I have seen people openly drinking from flasks at half time.
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No way. Didn't you know flasks are banned?
I thought if you put one in your bra you'd be OK
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Have the Board apologised to Matt Dean?
I think this is a perfectly reasonable question, I would word it along the lines of, 'Many of us, as supporters, feel embarassed by the lack of respect shown to Matt Dean at the last fan's forum. Would you take this opportunity tonight to offer a public apology to Matt?'
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Why is the flask ban not enforced? I have seen people openly drinking from flasks at half time.
If that is true then there needs to be an immediate investigation. Absolute disgrace. Should be the first question of the evening as to why the ban is not being enforced
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If that is true then there needs to be an immediate investigation. Absolute disgrace. Should be the first question of the evening as to why the ban is not being enforced
Ha ha ha, us flask users laugh in the face of authority. The main stand is the stronghold of the flask boot boys. We have succeeded in making it a no go area. Hot bovril and cocoa rule, ok.
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I think it's extremely important not to get bogged down in current or recent events and concentrate solely on the future of the club. After eighteen years in charge everyone has to accept that there's not going to be a sudden change of ethos when it comes to how the club is run on a day to day basis. The three subjects that need discussing are, parameters set for someone else to take over the club, the new stadium and the lack of inward investment.
My questions are written randomly below. as I can't make it, please free to use any of them if they match what you want to ask. I'll still email them to the Trust beforehand..
Is the club actively looking to relocate to a new stadium? If so, has it the funds to progress with it? Even just the administrative costs, ie architects, planning etc?
Why does there seem to be a lack of clarity about what the council are proposing regarding Freeman Street and why are you in the dark if you're a councillor yourself?
Why do you keep insisting that PP is the best way forward and in another breath outline the reasons why it most likely will never come to fruition?
Are the board of GTFC PLC actively looking for new investment at this present moment in time or have you given up? Are you moving heaven and earth to find external investment that is badly needed or do you think your come and find us attitude will get the job done? And as directors of a PLC shouldn’t it be your primary roles for a PLC that is so badly funded and on paper can't be signed off by the accountant as fully solvent?
If you're looking for new investors, do you think there are better ways to market the club is for sale or open to new investment other than solely the club website which has such a small audience? Do you think this could be improved to widen the net and make it more public knowledge than it is?
As you are the current custodian of the club and whether you want to leave or not the club has to progress. What is your vision for the next five, ten and twenty years for the club or are you maintaining the status quo until you get your money back? If you’re waiting to get your money back, do you think it’s fair on the fans to suffer in the meantime? When your loan is fully repaid, your total investment in the club will stand at 700k, is 700k the investment benchmark for any new investor or does that only apply to you? I say 700k because when you’re paid up and eventually leave, you’re going to hand the shares back to the Trust right?
To date we haven't got anything other than more of the same. Competitive budget, let’s get to 50 points, pack the park etc etc etc. Do you think that is enough to enthuse the fanbase without a long term vision for them to buy into to get more bums on seats? Or is it all on MJ's shoulders and then what happens when he leaves?
I've never doubted that you and SM can balance the books every year and keep the club in a stagnant position but as we're now in 2019 and the football world has moved on at a fast pace in the past thirty years and is leaving us behind in so many ways, we obviously need new investment, fresh ideas and a new stadium. As the custodian of the club can you set out a clear fully costed plan that we can envisage?
Do you think that eighteen years of being perennial League Two strugglers or non-league is an acceptable record on the pitch? If not, why is there so much antagonism towards fans that find that record so unacceptable? After all this time, surely you should be more accepting of that poor record and fully understand that fans are frustrated, and nothing personal, they are just making an honest assessment of your professional record as custodian of the club and have every right to do so as they are the paying customers and emotionally committed for life?
What is your price to leave? And would you write some of the loans off to enable the takeover to invest more in the club rather than it going directly into your pocket? Do you feel personally responsible for the club dropping out of the league and missing out on 3m of EFL payments? If so, do you feel morally obliged to offset this in any way?
Brace yourself for numerous “vanilla” replies to all of the above. Remember he’s a politician after all.
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My questions
1. If buyer was interested what is the valuation of GTFC based upon other than the land BP is sat on?
2. Based upon trading the A shares are worthless who actually owns the B shares in the club?
3. If a buyer came in what liabilities would they be expected to take on?
4. Other than regurgitating the same tired ideas what’s the plan to engage new supporters?
5. What is Michael Chapman’s role at the club and where does he add value?
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Where do you see the a) the club, b) yourself in 5 years time?
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Where do you see the a) the club, b) yourself in 5 years time?
Answer to A depends on answer to B.
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Everything at the club seems to be outsourced for nominal fees, the trust with the bars (no complaints at this) the catering, the marketing, pretty much everything. This limits the club financially.
I would like to know, if JF isn’t able to put money into the club, is there any chance of hiring someone with some commercial experience, to make the money to make the club more competitive?
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