Just Back FGR Away

Quoted from topuphere666

What’s Welsh got to do to get back in. You don’t go from league 1 to league 2 bench warmer that quick.
The system isn’t working and before we know it we will be dragged back into the mix.

We’re a point worse off from last season - and honestly my body cannot take another feb-apr period like last season  😂

How do we know the system isn't working? We've only used it in two games against Lincoln and FGR. Games against top 6 sides we may well have lost anyway.

Welsh? He seems to have turned into a great player overnight by not playing.

The opening post sums it up really well.

It felt like a Pre season friendly.

Hardly anyone there, Zero atmosphere and Clifton & Hess aside non of our players looked particularly bothered.

Very depressing spectacle and FGR were just better all over. Gunning and friends were taking the urine at the end.

This extends our poor start to 2019.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

BigDog, you are absolutely on the money...just hope that MJ and Limbrick aren't too blind or pig headed to see what's wrong...none of us have our FIFA pro licence yet 98%of us can see EXACTLY what's wrong....we just haven't got a squad suited to 3-5-2...

There are people on here who have

Quoted from Tommy

How do we know the system isn't working? We've only used it in two games against Lincoln and FGR. Games against top 6 sides we may well have lost anyway.

Welsh? He seems to have turned into a great player overnight by not playing.

Agree about Welsh. He does not have the pace and stamina to do what Clifton does for instance.

Is 3-5-2 working? Even allowing for the opposition the jury has been back a while - no it isn’t. The question is, will it work in the future? MJ has signed players to play it. Some of them like the 2 Swedes and Grayson have played it before but it doesn’t look like many others are in tune with the manager’s thinking. Confusion reigns followed by apathy close behind. Common sense says that changing the system should have waited until the summer when the side could have been drilled in how to do it and had some pre-season games. Isn’t this why players have been signed on long contracts so that we don’t have that annual scramble to sign a team in time for August and actually spend time training a side up together for the season.

Having said that, if players put themselves about, don’t give the ball away and get forward faster, the system becomes a lot less important. That seems to be the main trouble just now. We lose possession too easily and we struggle to get it back so we sink deeper and deeper. Thomas looks like a poor lost orphan up the front.

Give the manager time? OK but it can’t last forever. Another goal-less loss on Saturday looks a distinct possibility and that would be a far worse run than even Russell Slade.

Quoted from RichMariner

Clearly MJ wanted to sign the two Swedish players and they may come good, but I question the wisdom of throwing them straight in when we could in the short term keep doing what we were doing in December, accumulate 50 points and then begin integrating the new signings with a view to next season.

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This.

Sounds like Ohman has hit the ground running but Ring might not be up there yet. (I hope it's a case of 'yet' and not that he's yet another duffer)

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Agree about Welsh. He does not have the pace and stamina to do what Clifton does for instance.

Is 3-5-2 working? Even allowing for the opposition the jury has been back a while - no it isn’t. The question is, will it work in the future? MJ has signed players to play it. Some of them like the 2 Swedes and Grayson have played it before but it doesn’t look like many others are in tune with the manager’s thinking. Confusion reigns followed by apathy close behind. Common sense says that changing the system should have waited until the summer when the side could have been drilled in how to do it and had some pre-season games. Isn’t this why players have been signed on long contracts so that we don’t have that annual scramble to sign a team in time for August and actually spend time training a side up together for the season.

Having said that, if players put themselves about, don’t give the ball away and get forward faster, the system becomes a lot less important. That seems to be the main trouble just now. We lose possession too easily and we struggle to get it back so we sink deeper and deeper. Thomas looks like a poor lost orphan up the front.

Give the manager time? OK but it can’t last forever. Another goal-less loss on Saturday looks a distinct possibility and that would be a far worse run than even Russell Slade.

3-5-2 has been tried in 3 games this season, the opener against FGR then against Lincoln & FGR last night. The last two games we’ve been missing players central to the system, played at Lincoln with a Centre Half who hadn’t played in months let alone in England plus a left wing-back with 1 game under his belt, then played last night with another new signing who’d trained max twice with the squad. Even playing 4-4-2 we might have struggled.

Typical town though, just abandon it at the first sign of any trouble. It took the whole squad a month or two to settle into the season before we started making any progress, clearly with 3 new signings starting in a back 5 there are going to be problems at first.

The other option is play out the rest of this season making no progress at all. Same old formation, win some here, lose some there, mid table treading water and then wait until half the squad is out of contract in the summer and use guesswork to work out if they can play the formation the manager wants or not. Wait another 6 weeks and try it out against Brigg or some 16st cloggers at Clee Town. Absolutely pointless.  

Some of you fucckers will have 4-4-2 on your headstones.

The water that stands on the top of crush barriers after it rains was frozen before kick off last night. That's how cold it was.

Quoted from ska face

3-5-2 has been tried in 3 games this season, the opener against FGR then against Lincoln & FGR last night. The last two games we’ve been missing players central to the system, played at Lincoln with a Centre Half who hadn’t played in months let alone in England plus a left wing-back with 1 game under his belt, then played last night with another new signing who’d trained max twice with the squad. Even playing 4-4-2 we might have struggled.

Typical town though, just abandon it at the first sign of any trouble. It took the whole squad a month or two to settle into the season before we started making any progress, clearly with 3 new signings starting in a back 5 there are going to be problems at first.

The other option is play out the rest of this season making no progress at all. Same old formation, win some here, lose some there, mid table treading water and then wait until half the squad is out of contract in the summer and use guesswork to work out if they can play the formation the manager wants or not. Wait another 6 weeks and try it out against Brigg or some 16st cloggers at Clee Town. Absolutely pointless.  

Some of you fucckers will have 4-4-2 on your headstones.

We are too close to the bottom two to start new formations though, I think that is more pertinent. Get safe, then yes by all means drill the team into the new system ready for next season.

This reminds me a lot of last season when we took our foot off the pedal at Christmas time (then it was about offloading players to save money) and before you know it you are in a relegation dogfight.

Like RRFC said though - if the players put more effort in it would not be such a problem but to allow some players to jog around the pitch is unforgivable.

Quoted from ska face

3-5-2 has been tried in 3 games this season, the opener against FGR then against Lincoln & FGR last night. The last two games we’ve been missing players central to the system, played at Lincoln with a Centre Half who hadn’t played in months let alone in England plus a left wing-back with 1 game under his belt, then played last night with another new signing who’d trained max twice with the squad. Even playing 4-4-2 we might have struggled.

Typical town though, just abandon it at the first sign of any trouble. It took the whole squad a month or two to settle into the season before we started making any progress, clearly with 3 new signings starting in a back 5 there are going to be problems at first.

The other option is play out the rest of this season making no progress at all. Same old formation, win some here, lose some there, mid table treading water and then wait until half the squad is out of contract in the summer and use guesswork to work out if they can play the formation the manager wants or not. Wait another 6 weeks and try it out against Brigg or some 16st cloggers at Clee Town. Absolutely pointless.  

Some of you fucckers will have 4-4-2 on your headstones.

You would do much better to read properly and swear less. Like I said the system matters less than what the players are playing like. Personally I would prefer us to play a 4-3-3 because a back 4 leaves you less open to the ball across to the back post and that is the tactic most L2 sides use most often. But I am not stuck on any system, just players playing well and managers using common sense.

Very frustrating game and it was bloody freezing.  No one impressed or did themselves justice apart from 2 of the 3 subs.

Ohman - Good in the air, but loses his man easily and lunges in a lot.  Hopefully, it's just him getting used to GTFC & English football.

Ring - seemed very slow or was there winger very fast?

M Rose - Probably the worst I've seen him play, always seemed to spend ages on the ball and get tackled.

Thomas - I did not notice him lose the ball once, he's amazing with the ball at his feet but the majority of the time seemed to abandoned on his own out wide, with no alternative to play the ball backwards.

Woolford - I thought he did quite well when he came on, he kept the ball moving fast and seemed to hit a GTFC man with his passes.

What worried me the most about the game was that we did not have a captain on the pitch, no one was making themselves heard, and very little communication between the players.  This is where we have missed Collins IMO, a natural leader at the back.  Compare this with Gunning, who I thought was the MoM, never stop shouting encouragement/directions at the FGR players, he completely controlled the game from the back.

The only time I heard a Town player was when Clifton came on, always communicating, telling our players where to go.  If he stays with GTFC for the foreseeable future I believe with have our future captain.