Money

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

We get a decent draw at home, then that's worth (I would say) an extra £100-150k approx due to the fact that there'd be more bums on seats at each home game due to ticketing. Then there's merchandising etc. This is where the club would need to pull their finger out and make sure things are done to the best they can.

The range of stuff in the Club shop the other week best I have ever seen it`s getting better all the time and folk seem to be buying it?

Quoted from pen penfras

We averaged 4658 last season and made a small loss. I guess that was a small profit before paying back the loans. So averaging just over 4014 this season, not 4500 as you say is quite a big drop.

I don't understand how you can on one hand complain that the budget is too low, but on the other expect the board to budget on 3600 gates.

Perhaps if fans were treated like an assett rather than an inconvenience gates would be a bit higher 🤔

We can all sense things starting to look up, so this is where the club should be trying to build on the feel-good factor that’s slowly creeping back in. We’ve three very winnable matches coming up before Christmas, let’s build some momentum and get those seats filled, hammer the half-season tickets - “the perfect Xmas gift”.

We’ve a model supposedly built on “football fortune”, let’s make sure we’re taking advantage of it. Even if we pull some shite like Oldham at home out of the hat, the club need to be thinking ahead of the curve with this at the moment.  

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I think that`s the point why would the board budget for gates in excess of 4000 what are they basing their numbers on? Realistically we dodged a bullet staying up and added little hairs on the back of the neck signings to suggest we would do any better than mid table and I personally expected a drop. The slow start has compounded that though with recent home results and a massive improvement across the board I really hope we see a pick up in numbers. We have Notts and Mansfield coming up so that should see a couple of 5k+ gates and hopefully a huge cup draw the Club can show some nous and get extra bodies in for a voucher etc?

I guess because other than the first 5 non league years, we've been averaging around 4500 at this level. Even when we were shockingly bad, and there have sadly been a few of those seasons.

I'd also argue that John Welsh, Jake Hessenthaler, Ben Pringle and West Thomas were all very good signings. I don't think you can expect better than players of that pedigree at this level.

From the attendances section

2003-2004     4,730
2004-2005     4,943
2005-2006     5,151
2006-2007     4,379
2007-2008     4,115
2008-2009     4,474
2009-2010     4,428
2010-2011     3,072
2011-2012     3,141
2012-2013     3,813
2013-2014     3,567
2014-2015     3,683
2015-2016     4,357
2016-2017     5,259
2017-2018     4.658

Quoted from pen penfras

We averaged 4658 last season and made a small loss. I guess that was a small profit before paying back the loans. So averaging just over 4014 this season, not 4500 as you say is quite a big drop.

I don't understand how you can on one hand complain that the budget is too low, but on the other expect the board to budget on 3600 gates.

The board WILL have budgetted based on a conservative average attendance. That is the way they have always done it. No way will they have set it on 4500!

My only comment regarding the level of budget is that not enough is ever done to increase income, doing the same things they have always done- sitting back and hoping/expecting.

Quoted from Cloudy

The board WILL have budgetted based on a conservative average attendance. That is the way they have always done it. No way will they have set it on 4500!

My only comment regarding the level of budget is that not enough is ever done to increase income, doing the same things they have always done- sitting back and hoping/expecting.

The lack of profits except when we sold a player for £1 million begs to differ. You can keep arguing the point based on your ideology, but until you show some evidence, it just seems like belligerent criticism for the sake of criticism.

Completely agree that not enough is done to try and increase the income. We've made some progress this season, but more could be done.

Quoted from pen penfras

The lack of profits except when we sold a player for £1 million begs to differ. You can keep arguing the point based on your ideology, but until you show some evidence, it just seems like belligerent criticism for the sake of criticism.

Completely agree that not enough is done to try and increase the income. We've made some progress this season, but more could be done.

Ask John! This is NOT my idealogy it is the way the club have operated for years

The board rightly sets a budget based upon a conservative average attendance. If we were to base the budget on £4500-5k and we dont have a great season, that means a significant loss, and more for John to subsidise/underwrite.
They therefore base it conservatively and if we do better  we can release funds in Jan or, in the past, late season loans.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

The range of stuff in the Club shop the other week best I have ever seen it`s getting better all the time and folk seem to be buying it?

Christmas innit. Good to see that the club has reacted to it by stocking up, wonders will never cease

Quoted from pen penfras

I guess because other than the first 5 non league years, we've been averaging around 4500 at this level. Even when we were shockingly bad, and there have sadly been a few of those seasons.

I'd also argue that John Welsh, Jake Hessenthaler, Ben Pringle and West Thomas were all very good signings. I don't think you can expect better than players of that pedigree at this level.

From the attendances section

2003-2004     4,730
2004-2005     4,943
2005-2006     5,151
2006-2007     4,379
2007-2008     4,115
2008-2009     4,474
2009-2010     4,428
2010-2011     3,072
2011-2012     3,141
2012-2013     3,813
2013-2014     3,567
2014-2015     3,683
2015-2016     4,357
2016-2017     5,259
2017-2018     4.658

I totally agree ref the signings being good quality but none are hairs on the back of the neck signings are they? Fenty and the board get plenty of grief BUT they have done an excellent job in terms of managing the budget so it just suprises me they don`t have a lower figure as the break even? Anyway hopefully this little upsurge will continue and we can moan about something like you can`t get parked or all the pies had been eaten by glory hunting twits who only crawled out the woodwork when we won 20 on the bounce.UTM

Quoted from Ipswin

Christmas innit. Good to see that the club has reacted to it by stocking up, wonders will never cease

Good or bad I try and call it how I see it Swin. Surely you are now overdue to give some praise for Mr Jolley ?