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Maringer
September 12, 2019, 12:09pm
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The Yellowhammer report which has just been released had the bit about refineries redacted. Almost certainly to stop people panic-buying and hoarding fuel. Only problem is that the journalist who received the original leak in August has reported what they said about this. Word will get out and we'll have a run on fuel once again...

Interesting to note that the original leak said all this stuff was the 'base scenario' whereas the new release is apparently a worst case situation. Was the original report produced to see what the worst case was likely to be or are the government spinning to try and modify the narrative now they have been forced to release the information?

I know which option my money is on.
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Politicians pledged to honour it.  More fool them. It was an advisory referendum and that’s a fact.


All referendums are advisory, the difference here is that all parties pledged to honour the outcome, fact, so that would probably explain why more people voted in it than ever before, otherwise what was the point of spending tax payers money on something they would never carry out. The majority advised the Politicians they no longer wanted to be run by Brussels, don't worry the turncoats in parliament will scupper democracy and you'll get your remoaning wish of staying in the EU. Strange that they have such conviction in what they are doing but showing no substance of carrying it forward with a general election.



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September 13, 2019, 12:12am

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September 13, 2019, 7:37am
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All referendums are advisory, the difference here is that all parties pledged to honour the outcome, fact, so that would probably explain why more people voted in it than ever before, otherwise what was the point of spending tax payers money on something they would never carry out. The majority advised the Politicians they no longer wanted to be run by Brussels, don't worry the turncoats in parliament will scupper democracy and you'll get your remoaning wish of staying in the EU. Strange that they have such conviction in what they are doing but showing no substance of carrying it forward with a general election.



If you have no deal at one end of the spectrum and Revoke A50 at the other end, the only sensible solution is a middle ground deal along the lines of a custom union. I think most remainers would accept this as an outcome but not sure the leavers would. The outrage from remainers currently is because BJ has tried to strong arm us out with no deal based on a load of lies and dodgy practices.
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One problem with remaining in a customs union for Brexiteers is that it  is pretty obvious that the door would then stay open for a relatively straightforward return into the embrace of the EU at a later date. That and the fact that we would have to allow free movement.

The fact that our economy needs young immigrants to keep it ticking over due to our otherwise aging population is a point which seems to have eluded many Brexiteers. Assuming we leave the EU, we're still going to need many thousands of them and, if the Europeans don't want to come any longer, they'll keep on coming from Africa and Asia in the required numbers. Not something many Brexiteers will be pleased to see, I'm guessing.
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But there are. People going ‘just get it done’. I wish to make this life changing decision on a ‘run out of patience’ and ‘a ‘frustrated at not having understood the balance of the relevant  complex issues contained herein’ basis!’ Leave means leave! Even if it’s tantamount to smashing ourselves in the face with an iron anvil and then throwing myself off a cliff, I want brexit. It’s the will of (some of) the people! Tune in to any radio show or tv debate and it’s stuffed with bigoted, inarticulate, ill informed, unbalanced oafs expressing the above.

To have democracy you need to be able to make ‘informed decisions’. This isn’t the case here.

There isn’t a ‘deal’. There never was and there never will be. This is a legal and technical matter, and not a business transaction and the EU have treated it as such, you’ll note. Stay or leave. Up to you. There are years and years of complex technical diplomatic, trade and political arrangements that would befit a discussion on how we might extract ourselves. The idea that you just walk away from your responsibilities without sorting out what the future holds is the territory of the nutjob. And yet, the media and the public go on and on about a ‘deal’ or ‘no deal’ like it was buying a car or a f***ing game show, and the least statesmanlike leader we’ve ever had goes on repeating empty platitudes and crass sound bytes and that’s it.
Look at the stark contrast evident today between Varadkar and Johnson. One of them articulate, measured, informed, statesmanlike....the other one Boris Johnson.
What a national embarrassment.

We are now in farce land, and the world looks on and concludes - what a set of fools!


My first thought when I saw the highlighted part?

Smugness personified ….David Cameron who fecked it all up and then fecked right off

I see he's been given the chance to put his side of the story.....

https://www.facebook.com/itv/videos/2632834656736017/

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One problem with remaining in a customs union for Brexiteers is that it  is pretty obvious that the door would then stay open for a relatively straightforward return into the embrace of the EU at a later date. That and the fact that we would have to allow free movement.

The fact that our economy needs young immigrants to keep it ticking over due to our otherwise aging population is a point which seems to have eluded many Brexiteers. Assuming we leave the EU, we're still going to need many thousands of them and, if the Europeans don't want to come any longer, they'll keep on coming from Africa and Asia in the required numbers. Not something many Brexiteers will be pleased to see, I'm guessing.


I wouldn't want a customs union that puts us in a position were we can't do trade with the rest of the world, the EU is protectionist and if one of the EU countries stands to lose trade because a country outside the EU has undercut them, the EU would block that trade.

The UK needs immigrants, especially skilled and young. These people could still come into the UK under a Australia type immigration policy, if we need them they get in for a set amount of time. What we don't want is free movement of unchecked criminals and unskilled workers, these could be filtered out using an Australian type immigration policy what is wrong with that.

If after a period of time the majority of people want to re-join the EU then the majority gets their democracy up held, just give it 20 years to make sure all the old racists have died out and that also gives the remoaners time to breed like rabbits.


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We voted out from becoming a colony of a wannabe superstate, that is a good thing. Look how the USA turned out!


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Because USA leaders and rules always been decided on by unelected bureaucrats in shady backroom meetings just like the EU 🤔😅
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Because USA leaders and rules always been decided on by unelected bureaucrats in shady backroom meetings just like the EU 🤔😅


USA rejected European overseers to their great benefit after the Empire emposed higher taxes on them.

EU are the same Europeans that want to rule for ruling sake. Best to leave.



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