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crusty ole pie
November 3, 2018, 6:21pm

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Is it not time you simply walked away and leave the club in a position where someone may be slightly interested in getting involved without you asking for you loan money back
The club owes you 2 million maybe but what do you owe the club under your guidance we have become the absolute joke of football
The way I see it , is you have no chance of redeeming your lost money now that the new ground as fallen away yet again. so I say this why don’t you go make an agreement that should we sell any players in the future 10% of the net profit is paid back to you until such time if ever the loan is repaid
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Well there are 3 of us not going till Fenty goes.
If a few more show some backbone he will get the message.
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Well there are 3 of us not going till Fenty goes.
If a few more show some backbone he will get the message.


It would have to be at the start of a season. Once he has the season ticket money he won't be bothered, and very few fans pay on the day going by attendances. I agree with the sentiment though.
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Well there are 3 of us not going till Fenty goes.
If a few more show some backbone he will get the message.


I may well be joining you next season.......shambles from top to bottom.



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Is it not time you simply walked away and leave the club in a position where someone may be slightly interested in getting involved without you asking for you loan money back
The club owes you 2 million maybe but what do you owe the club under your guidance we have become the absolute joke of football
The way I see it , is you have no chance of redeeming your lost money now that the new ground as fallen away yet again. so I say this why don’t you go make an agreement that should we sell any players in the future 10% of the net profit is paid back to you until such time if ever the loan is repaid


These are the sort of solutions the majority shareholder should consider. You will get your money back  - but either on a percentage of match day proceeds, or sales of players or whatever. Everything can be negotiated, but I am pretty sure he will never leave unless some daft person will pay him in full on day one which of course will not happen.

I cannot imagine he is even getting any pleasure from his role, unless he is a masochist.
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These are the sort of solutions the majority shareholder should consider. You will get your money back  - but either on a percentage of match day proceeds, or sales of players or whatever. Everything can be negotiated, but I am pretty sure he will never leave unless some daft person will pay him in full on day one which of course will not happen.

I cannot imagine he is even getting any pleasure from his role, unless he is a masochist.


No one is daft enough the business world does not trust him mike Parker ran as quickly as he could the lottery winner was duped ( I know what he was promised he did not know I was a town fan when in the back of my taxi talking to his mrs ) and got out before he leaked anymore
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He will leave when he only sells 500 season tickets next season.
If people boycott now us 3 pay on the gate so that’s 60 pounds he’s not getting.
The season tickets pay the bills the pay on the gates is the bonus he will not be getting much bonus.
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A lot of hatred on here . Certain people didn't post very much when we had that mini. run'  Grow up.
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A lot of hatred on here . Certain people didn't post very much when we had that mini. run'  Grow up.


Shut up 🤐


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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Quoted from Yoda
He will leave when he only sells 500 season tickets next season.
If people boycott now us 3 pay on the gate so that’s 60 pounds he’s not getting.
The season tickets pay the bills the pay on the gates is the bonus he will not be getting much bonus.


What you are forgetting is that this forum represents a fraction of support.
As shown by last seasons failed and frankly embarrassing demonstration most supporters back the board.
I agree that direct action is the only way you will achieve a change- unfortunately the majority will still back the club with JF in charge.



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I don’t believe for one minute no one is interested in our club at all its about time Fenty put us up for sale officially


We're on our way back, we’ll was now on our way back to non league 👍🏻
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What you are forgetting is that this forum represents a fraction of support.
As shown by last seasons failed and frankly embarrassing demonstration most supporters back the board.
I agree that direct action is the only way you will achieve a change- unfortunately the majority will still back the club with JF in charge.


Do they are have many just become apathetic as in reality the situation is unlikely to change any time soon.  


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Do they are have many just become apathetic as in reality the situation is unlikely to change any time soon.  


???
Started early have we??



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Is Fenty that big of a problem in the grand scheme of things? If the majority thought the same then we’d be more vocal at the season end and renew season tickets.

For the record i’m in the side of a fresh start at the top is well overdue but we need to do it together. Fan power is so strong or can be if done properly 💪
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A lot of hatred on here . Certain people didn't post very much when we had that mini. run'  Grow up.


I don’t think it’s hatred more realism while fenty is in charge we will always be at very best treading water , it was time to go jon a long long time agon
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I don’t believe for one minute no one is interested in our club at all its about time Fenty put us up for sale officially


We would survive if he walked away
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I have been following Grimsby Town for nearly 50 years and have been through many highs and lows over the years but the tenure of John Fenty and the rest of the board has just about killed my love for the club. How can one person and his chosen few destroy our entertainment on a Saturday afternoon?
Personally I am at a point where the board can just leave and do whatever harm they want to do to the club, allegedly the main shareholder is a GTFC fan so surely he wouldn't want to kill the club, and let us find a way forward without the shackles that are holding the club back.
If it means going backwards to come back again over time so be it because at the moment the club is going that way with one persons hold over the club.
If you are a Grimsby Town ,John Fenty, walk away and at least let the club have a chance of finding a way forward
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Lose games it’s Fenty’s fault win games it is because Jolley is an emerging Manager of quality!!!

In reality neither true but to have we hate a Fenty posts every time we lose is just boring. Change is required the majority agree on that but let’s all accept it is not imminent and a post once a week to that effect will not change that,
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Lose games it’s Fenty’s fault win games it is because Jolley is an emerging Manager of quality!!!

In reality neither true but to have we hate a Fenty posts every time we lose is just boring. Change is required the majority agree on that but let’s all accept it is not imminent and a post once a week to that effect will not change that,

So how do you think we can effect change?

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So how do you think we can effect change?



First thing we need to do is to assess the real appetite for change. Until then we’ll just continue to have this debate
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Is Fenty that big of a problem in the grand scheme of things? If the majority thought the same then we’d be more vocal at the season end and renew season tickets.

For the record i’m in the side of a fresh start at the top is well overdue but we need to do it together. Fan power is so strong or can be if done properly 💪


Who is the common denominator then? 16 years a director, most of them as major shareholder and/or chairman - three relegations which could have been four, even 5. He's been so thick-skinned over anything that remotely challenges his stranglehold that further outside investment would be futile. He has put himself in a position where no-one can even be bothered to challenge him & surrounded himself with a board of crusty old nodders.

No-one is going to change anything until he gets fed up with it - his plaything, vanity project or whatever you want to call it.
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Who is the common denominator then? 16 years a director, most of them as major shareholder and/or chairman - three relegations which could have been four, even 5. He's been so thick-skinned over anything that remotely challenges his stranglehold that further outside investment would be futile. He has put himself in a position where no-one can even be bothered to challenge him & surrounded himself with a board of crusty old nodders.

No-one is going to change anything until he gets fed up with it - his plaything, vanity project or whatever you want to call it.


I wholeheartedly agree with you. We, the fans need to do something about it because he won’t remove himself. This is what I’m getting at
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So how do you think we can effect change?



I am surprised, no amazed, no gobsmacked there has not been a concerted "Fenty out" chant at home games. I cannot believe the majority of home fans are happy with his regime, and its running of the club.

I must be wrong though, as bar pockets of Fenty out chants there has been a deafening silence from the majority.

I thought the tide would change when Woods had his ridiculous run and the board kept him on; I thought the tide would turn when we went down; I thought the tide would turn when we spent 6 years in non-league but still the majority at home games seem to sit there unmoved.  

I don't know what the answer is, perhaps people have been fed the idea so often that if it wasn't for Fenty we would not have a club at all.
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First thing we need to do is to assess the real appetite for change. Until then we’ll just continue to have this debate

What about several people outside the ground asking the fans what they want in a poll and then presenting the answers to the club, the Trust, the Telegraph and anybody who will listen.
At least then then we will know what the majority of fans want.
If the answer is for change then at least we can  start to put pressure on the board to leave.
If the majority are happy with the status quo then nothing changes until JF decides enough is enough,
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What about several people outside the ground asking the fans what they want in a poll and then presenting the answers to the club, the Trust, the Telegraph and anybody who will listen.
At least then then we will know what the majority of fans want.


I don't think you actually need a poll - most if not all want him gone but are now so apathetic that they can't even be bothered because they know (as you do) that only John Fenty himself can effect change.
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What about several people outside the ground asking the fans what they want in a poll and then presenting the answers to the club, the Trust, the Telegraph and anybody who will listen.
At least then then we will know what the majority of fans want.


This is exactly whats required. Just one poll with one simple question to every GTFC fan but at a time that won’t potentially effect things on the pitch. I.e straight after the final whistle at last game of the season.

This way the Town and the board will get to know where the fans actually sit.
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I don't think you actually need a poll - most if not all want him gone but are now so apathetic that they can't even be bothered because they know (as you do) that only John Fenty himself can effect change.


A poll will highlight the fact officially and publicaly for people to get the message
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What about several people outside the ground asking the fans what they want in a poll and then presenting the answers to the club, the Trust, the Telegraph and anybody who will listen.
At least then then we will know what the majority of fans want.
If the answer is for change then at least we can  start to put pressure on the board to leave.
If the majority are happy with the status quo then nothing changes until JF decides enough is enough,


What about the thousands that have already been driven away? You won't be able to ask them outside the gates of BP. Surely their opinions count as much as they are the fans that need to be tempted back..
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???
Started early have we??


Not really, The Old Codger makes a similar point to be fair.  


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What about the thousands that have already been driven away? You won't be able to ask them outside the gates of BP. Surely their opinions count as much as they are the fans that need to be tempted back..


Agree. It needs to be an online poll set up by the right group
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Here we go here we go we’re losing again so pitch forks out for Fenty no surprise from the vocal minority, but what does surprise me is we have some on here who actually believe there is this rich benefactor just waiting in the wings for Fenty to go, totally delusional.


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What about the thousands that have already been driven away? You won't be able to ask them outside the gates of BP. Surely their opinions count as much as they are the fans that need to be tempted back..


Unfortunately we are fighting a battle with a man who has more front than Cleethorpes...
If you asked him his own opinion he would say he's down well by town...deluded is not strong enough for the megalomaniac that he is....until someone who has the financial clout comes in we are stuck in this time warp, just like fentys wardrobe.
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I don't think you actually need a poll - most if not all want him gone but are now so apathetic that they can't even be bothered because they know (as you do) that only John Fenty himself can effect change.


So you know as a fact that the majority want a change ???
Please post your evidence for people to see.



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I don't think you actually need a poll - most if not all want him gone but are now so apathetic that they can't even be bothered because they know (as you do) that only John Fenty himself can effect change.

I don't believe that it is only John Fenty that can effect change. It is the fans that can make things happen.
Yes he has a couple of million in benign loans with which he his strangling the club with, in a look at me in my fancy car and suit way, whoopeefukkindoo,  but that doesn't mean he has a right to kill our club.
It is time the fans stood up and be counted, grew some balls and demanded change because the club is dying on its bottom.

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Unfortunately we are fighting a battle with a man who has more front than Cleethorpes...
If you asked him his own opinion he would say he's down well by town...deluded is not strong enough for the megalomaniac that he is....until someone who has the financial clout comes in we are stuck in this time warp, just like fentys wardrobe.


I’d like to see him introduced face to face with the Poll results
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Here we go here we go we’re losing again so pitch forks out for Fenty no surprise from the vocal minority, but what does surprise me is we have some on here who actually believe there is this rich benefactor just waiting in the wings for Fenty to go, totally delusional.


We don't need a rich benefactor. The fans pay for the club to be run via season ticket sales and match day revenue. The fans have invested millions more than Mr. Fenty over the years.

What we need is a dynamic board of directors with smaller financial inputs who will combine their skills for the advancement of the club.
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I think JF is pretty clear that we want him to go as much as he (supposedly) wants to go.

The bit he and the other 3 cronies don't get is that usually when you want to sell something you make it look a s attractive as possible like having your car washed & polished before you put it in Auto Trader there is absoultly nothing polished about any area of GTFC at the moment.    


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So you know as a fact that the majority want a change ???
Please post your evidence for people to see.


Exactly the reason the need for an official poll. It’ll be in black and white with no grey. This needs to be top priority with the fans
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Here we go here we go we’re losing again so pitch forks out for Fenty no surprise from the vocal minority, but what does surprise me is we have some on here who actually believe there is this rich benefactor just waiting in the wings for Fenty to go, totally delusional.


It's amazing isn't it.
No action around JF during the summer, everybody behind the manager etc.
Absolutely no plan at all for an alternative.



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Exactly the reason the need for an official poll. It’ll be in black and white with no grey. This needs to be top priority with the fans


I fully agree, unfortunately some already assume everybody wants a change.
Think they may be surprised.




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It's amazing isn't it.
No action around JF during the summer, everybody behind the manager etc.
Absolutely no plan at all for an alternative.


You’re right. We need to get vocal at the right time, and now isn’t the time. Like I said on a previous post, once the final whistle has blown the we need to voice our opinions through a coordinated poll
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I fully agree, unfortunately some already assume everybody wants a change.
Think they may be surprised.
That is exactly what Dave Cameron thought when he gave us the vote to leave or stay in the the EU.


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I fully agree, unfortunately some already assume everybody wants a change.
Think they may be surprised.



Oh, don't be ridiculous. Who the hell would want Fenty anywhere near the club if they had a choice? How much more evidence do you want that he has failed on any measure you care to mention?
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Oh, don't be ridiculous. Who the hell would want Fenty anywhere near the club if they had a choice? How much more evidence do you want that he has failed on any measure you care to mention?


Well it depends what the choice is obviously.
So it isn't that ridiculous.
And to clarify Im not disputing his failings.



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Well it depends what the choice is obviously.
So it isn't that ridiculous.
And to clarify Im not disputing his failings.


It feels like a relationship where one person is continually making  the other one unhappy but you are afraid to leave because you think you need their money and shelter. It is like being bullied because he thinks he has control.
It is the fans who have control and without them he has no control.
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Well it depends what the choice is obviously.
So it isn't that ridiculous.
And to clarify Im not disputing his failings.


Neophobia is no reason not to oust a failing regime. The future will take care of itself, but the first step is to be rid of the current regime. If he was putting in millions every year to keep us afloat then I could see the argument for keeping him, but that is simply not the case.
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I fully agree, unfortunately some already assume everybody wants a change.
Think they may be surprised.



Yeah - let's give him another 16 years to turn it around  
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Yeah - let's give him another 16 years to turn it around  


Who on earth stated that?
As others have said gauge the mood of all the support and not just make assumptions.
You seem to have an issue with all supporters having the same view as your own.



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Yeah - let's give him another 16 years to turn it around  


Let’s instigate an official poll and show the results in and on every media source available. We need to put our thoughts by simply answering YES or NO to the poll question. The results will give the clear indication of what the fans want and crank up the heat on the board.

All this dedate is all well and good but it doesn’t go to the places that needs it. An Official Poll is what’s required to start the potential change in leadership.

Until then we’ll just go around in circles like we have for many years now. Let’s try something different but at the right time
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Let’s instigate an official poll and show the results in and on every media source available. We need to put our thoughts by simply answering YES or NO to the poll question. The results will give the clear indication of what the fans want and crank up the heat on the board.

All this dedate is all well and good but it doesn’t go to the places that needs it. An Official Poll is what’s required to start the potential change in leadership.

Until then we’ll just go around in circles like we have for many years now. Let’s try something different but at the right time


Sensible suggestion.



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Let’s instigate an official poll and show the results in and on every media source available. We need to put our thoughts by simply answering YES or NO to the poll question. The results will give the clear indication of what the fans want and crank up the heat on the board.

All this dedate is all well and good but it doesn’t go to the places that needs it. An Official Poll is what’s required to start the potential change in leadership.

Until then we’ll just go around in circles like we have for many years now. Let’s try something different but at the right time


Who is eligible to vote though? What do you define as a "fan". Some people call themselves that but may never go to BP or even consider it.


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Let’s instigate an official poll and show the results in and on every media source available. We need to put our thoughts by simply answering YES or NO to the poll question. The results will give the clear indication of what the fans want and crank up the heat on the board.

All this dedate is all well and good but it doesn’t go to the places that needs it. An Official Poll is what’s required to start the potential change in leadership.

Until then we’ll just go around in circles like we have for many years now. Let’s try something different but at the right time

I agree with you on this. Let's get this rolling. Social Media, The Fishy, The Trust, Outside Blundell Park I will help in whatever I can. This should have been done when we got relegated to the Conference.

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Who is eligible to vote though? What do you define as a "fan". Some people call themselves that but may never go to BP or even consider it.


That’s a fair challenge and one that needs to be decided. Got to a level of control without a doubt for the poll to have weight.

For example, only season ticket holders or mariners trust members can vote?

That’s just a starter for ten and by no means the answer but just a suggestion of how to control who has the right to vote.

Surely there’s a way to control a poll that reaches out to more than just ST holders?
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Here we go here we go we’re losing again so pitch forks out for Fenty no surprise from the vocal minority, but what does surprise me is we have some on here who actually believe there is this rich benefactor just waiting in the wings for Fenty to go, totally delusional.


I know there is no benefactor and am clear on the fact that GTFC is not an investment for any new owner in reality it will be a charity case.

JF has promoted a narrative about being him and the other members of "The Gang of 4" being custodians of the club, well if they truly are they should ensure that the club and the team are in the best health it can be but it's plainly obvious that on the pitch as well as other areas of the club we are in a poor state of health.


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Who is eligible to vote though? What do you define as a "fan". Some people call themselves that but may never go to BP or even consider it.

We aren't Chelsea or Man Utd. Generally if you follow Grimsby Town you must have an an opinion on the way the club is being run.

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I agree with you on this. Let's get this rolling. Social Media, The Fishy, The Trust, Outside Blundell Park I will help in whatever I can. This should have been done when we got relegated to the Conference.



Let’s get this done, surely this is possible
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That’s a fair challenge and one that needs to be decided. Got to a level of control without a doubt for the poll to have weight.

For example, only season ticket holders or mariners trust members can vote?

That’s just a starter for ten and by no means the answer but just a suggestion of how to control who has the right to vote.

Surely there’s a way to control a poll that reaches out to more than just ST holders?


If you just go for season ticket holders then they are very likely to vote for the status quo as they commit to that very status quo! On the other hand, someone who would never buy a season ticket or regularly attend home games, why should they be allowed to vote? But they might be a massive fan! It's really hard to find a fair way to conduct such a poll.

The fairest way I can think of is to announce that anyone who attends a specific game (well in advance) can vote.


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If you just go for season ticket holders then they are very likely to vote for the status quo as they commit to that very status quo! On the other hand, someone who would never buy a season ticket or regularly attend home games, why should they be allowed to vote? But they might be a massive fan! It's really hard to find a fair way to conduct such a poll.

The fairest way I can think of is to announce that anyone who attends a specific game (well in advance) can vote.


I.e last game of the season?

How would each person actually vote. A vote booth at each corner of the stand or at certain points outside the ground?

Would obviously have to be publicised prior but I like this idea over an online poll.

An old fashioned ballot box could work
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Let’s get this done, surely this is possible


Of cause it is possible. The fans are the majority in this case. All we need to do is choose a game to when we will be out there running the poll. The rest can be done by social media or The Fishy.  I am sure the Grimsby Telegraph would be interested in the poll.
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Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
Lose games it’s Fenty’s fault win games it is because Jolley is an emerging Manager of quality!!!

In reality neither true but to have we hate a Fenty posts every time we lose is just boring. Change is required the majority agree on that but let’s all accept it is not imminent and a post once a week to that effect will not change that,


Great post. It's flipping boring and completely over the top.
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And what would a poll and vote achieve.....Mr Fenty would simply ignore it.

The only way I can see us getting a change of ownership is if those that want him out all chip in for a serious "GTFC UP FOR SALE" national/international advertising campaign........if it is allowed....... (Operation "GTFC UP FOR SALE")


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I.e last game of the season?

How would each person actually vote. A vote booth at each corner of the stand or at certain points outside the ground?

Would obviously have to be publicised prior but I like this idea over an online poll.

An old fashioned ballot box could work


The problem is there are a lot of fans who can't get to games. for one reason or another, so you you have to use every avenue available.
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And what would a poll and vote achieve.....Mr Fenty would simply ignore it.

The only way I can see us getting a change of ownership is if those that want him out all chip in for a serious "GTFC UP FOR SALE" national/international advertising campaign........if it is allowed....... (Operation "GTFC UP FOR SALE")


Send the results to the Grimsby Telegraph and every national newspaper, one of them will run with it.
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Totally get the point that JF is responsible for the long term demise, but I do think MJ (most peoples choice from a seemingly weak shortlist) has to bear responsibility for the team he has put in place.

Slade's team was poor, but Jolley managed to get enough out of it to keep us up. In my view, the main problem with last season side (apart from being dire to watch) was it's inability to create and score goals. So whenever we conceded a goal, it was invariably game over.

With that in mind, with his limited budget, Jolley's absolute priority surely had to be rectifying that particular problem.

Instead, he chose to basically rip it up and start again with an almost new side, but unfortunately, one which failed to address that number 1 priority (lack of goals.

We can only assume reasons why the club couldn't / didn't recruit to improve that weakness, but if the worst happens, I just hope those making the decisions can look themselves in the mirror, as the consequences are likely to be dire.  
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Great post. It's flipping boring and completely over the top.


I'll take it you're OK with being bang average at best then.
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Great post. It's flipping boring and completely over the top.


It’s more than just loosing a game, it’s about our clubs future.

I agree that the timing isn’t perfect again and I understand with what you’re saying but a ballot is required to gauge the fans thoughts and not just individuals opinions on here.

Personally I don’t think a ballot is right for now but towards the end of the season for whenever it’s decided and in no uncertain terms this needs to go ahead. And why not?
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If you just go for season ticket holders then they are very likely to vote for the status quo as they commit to that very status quo! On the other hand, someone who would never buy a season ticket or regularly attend home games, why should they be allowed to vote? But they might be a massive fan! It's really hard to find a fair way to conduct such a poll.

The fairest way I can think of is to announce that anyone who attends a specific game (well in advance) can vote.


I'm a ST holder and want him gone tomorrow - no need to wait till the end of the season.
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Send the results to the Grimsby Telegraph and every national newspaper, one of them will run with it.


Exactly. He will be made to listen
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I'm a ST holder and want him gone tomorrow - no need to wait till the end of the season.


So enlighten ourselves with the plan going forward after JF's departure??



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So enlighten ourselves with the plan going forward after JF's departure??


We never had one for the Brexit vote! We still don't arguably!


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We never had one for the Brexit vote! We still don't arguably!


And look were we are with that



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Totally get the point that JF is responsible for the long term demise, but I do think MJ (most peoples choice from a seemingly weak shortlist) has to bear responsibility for the team he has put in place.

Slade's team was poor, but Jolley managed to get enough out of it to keep us up. In my view, the main problem with last season side (apart from being dire to watch) was it's inability to create and score goals. So whenever we conceded a goal, it was invariably game over.

With that in mind, with his limited budget, Jolley's absolute priority surely had to be rectifying that particular problem.

Instead, he chose to basically rip it up and start again with an almost new side, but unfortunately, one which failed to address that number 1 priority (lack of goals.

We can only assume reasons why the club couldn't / didn't recruit to improve that weakness, but if the worst happens, I just hope those making the decisions can look themselves in the mirror, as the consequences are likely to be dire.  


This


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So enlighten ourselves with the plan going forward after JF's departure??


Enlighten me with the plan that's been so successful for the past 16 years!
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The Poll question could be, should GTFC officially and publicly be put up for sale YES or NO?

Or

Should John Fenty step down as non chairman of GTFC YES or NO?
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Enlighten me with the plan that's been so successful for the past 16 years!


We aren't talking about the past though,this is about a change of ownership.
So what would be your ideas and thoughts on that??






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We aren't talking about the past though,this is about a change of ownership.
So what would be your ideas and thoughts on that??





It’s all to do with the one careful choice of poll question and not expecting an individual to have the answer to our clubs future.

One question is all that’s needed from the fans.
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The problem is if we had a poll and say 80% said we wanted Fenty out,

He could just ignore it or say I will sell my shares and want my loans back and I will go,

So we really need a multi millionaire to step in,

Apart from David Ross who do you know fits the bill.

I think you all know I want Fenty out but how do we do it. ?


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So enlighten ourselves with the plan going forward after JF's departure??


I imagine it will be like the first day of any departure.
At first there will be euphoria.
And then a bit more euphoria,
Then we will have a cup of tea or a beer depending on what time of day it is.
Then there will be a bit of trepidation.
Then the club will carry on as usual because unless John Fenty, who is a Grimsby Town fan throws his dummy out and demands his money back everything will carry on.
There is one problem and that is if the management follow him out.
But that isn't an insurmountable problem.


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Lets face it.. Fenty would not sell if someone came up with the money as this is his little toy. He only says he wants out to shut people up . He sits in his little box in full view of everyone looking smug  and no one says a word to him. His 2 million is back pocket money in football terms and was put in years ago.
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Who on earth stated that?
As others have said gauge the mood of all the support and not just make assumptions.
You seem to have an issue with all supporters having the same view as your own.


It's called "bullying on the forum"  If these same people lost a vote they would want another and then another until they got their way-reminds me of another vote we had.
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Who is eligible to vote though? What do you define as a "fan". Some people call themselves that but may never go to BP or even consider it.


A certain person on here who seems to do a lot of shouting never goes to see Town play-home or away
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We aren't talking about the past though,this is about a change of ownership.
So what would be your ideas and thoughts on that??





But the past is the reason for change. 16 years in which the club has gone downhill both on and off the pitch where a large slice of the fan base have either stopped going or go because they support the club rather than the regime that runs it. We are hearing nothing from the board now about progress or otherwise with the stadium, we are hearing nothing from Extreme, the only positive noises are coming from Pete Wheatley and Ray Oxby - the way we're going we might become NELC FC.

A change of ownership - as everything else - is in Mr Fenty's control, he can dictate what he wants to happen. Even the shares that the Trust gifted him, what happens to them?
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So enlighten ourselves with the plan going forward after JF's departure??


JF has gone on record saying that he wants out and he's written the loans off in his head. These are facts.

JF and SM have said they have exhausted all of their contacts to try and raise investment. This is a fact.

So in effect these are their best efforts in trying to sell the club to a third party and this where it beggars belief if we are to take them at their word.

When you decide to sell your car how do you go about making sure it's sold? Call everyone in your contacts and ask them if they want to buy it and give up because none of your contacts want it? Or, like everyone else who genuinely wants to sell their car, do you advertise it for the world to see and some unknown person you've never met before comes along and buys it? GTFC has never openly or publicly been put up for sale.

Until we see our club publicly put up for sale we cannot take anything the board say on the matter as being nothing other than short term lip service rather than any genuine attempts to find a new investor..

Let's see the club being openly put up for sale JF, if you're a man of your word, back those words and let's see a really genuine and public attempt to find new investment and a fresh new future for the club, because the status quo isn't healthy for anyone involved..

No one will know who he will be, but there'll be somebody out there somewhere with more money and acumen that wants to buy a Football League club with a fresh start and new stadium in the offing. They may not love the club as much as you, at least not at first, but, looking back at the past seventeen years, we can all see that sometimes loving a club is nowhere near enough to make a success of running it..
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A certain person on here who seems to do a lot of shouting never goes to see Town play-home or away


There are many reasons why fans have stayed away ,and some have done so for years ,it does not mean that they are not fans any more. The point is we need change and need it badly . And we need it quick,
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A certain person on here who seems to do a lot of shouting never goes to see Town play-home or away


Who's that then?
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My concern is that once fans have given up on the club, we'll never see them again, whatever happens on or off the pitch. My dad and his circle of friends stopped going after the first season with Mick Lyons in charge. Never been back since.
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Whoever runs GTFC it will not be a wealthy club and will have to operate within it's means. That means finding a manager who can work on a shoestring budget and make the best of it. I think it goes without saying that a good leader could increase people through the gate and do more to market the club in he community and we are failing in that respect today
Wycombe became a supporters trust club when the previous owner left and are truly potless. The difference is that Gareth Ainsworth performs miracles with the worst paid squad in league 2 last year and more loanees than any other club. It's ok to say Wycombe are better located but I'm guessing nobody wants to move Grimsby so we have to get on with it.
Since Hurst left we've had the wrong people in charge of the team and the wrong people in charge of the club. I'm impressed that despite the quality of football most fans seem to like MJ and are willing him to succeed but I'm starting to think we're in big trouble regardless of JF
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If we managed to remove Fenty and the board, who would you replace them with, who is waiting to spend money on Town.?
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If we managed to remove Fenty and the board, who would you replace them with, who is waiting to spend money on Town.?


Fenty isn't spending money at Town and hasn't been for years.

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Fenty isn't spending money at Town and hasn't been for years.



I know but who are these people who would come  in to replace Fenty and the board and save GTFC by splashing the cash.?
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I know but who are these people who would come  in to replace Fenty and the board and save GTFC by splashing the cash.?


There’s no overnight solution but there’s one common name that comes up all the time. If this individual is removed for the GTFC equation then things might change naturally. If it doesn’t then what’s been lost?

We’ve sat still for far too long now
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I would like to see Fenty go as much as the next man but unless or until someone comes in who is prepared to invest big money into the club to buy the players we are all bitching about not currently having then there's no point in change

As well a bigger transfer budget a new man with money would change the manager so there's another reason for Fenty to go


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What you are forgetting is that this forum represents a fraction of support.
As shown by last seasons failed and frankly embarrassing demonstrations most supporters back the board.
I agree that direct action is the only way you will achieve a change- unfortunately the majority will still back the club with JF in charge.


Wow!
On what scientific basis is that based upon?

I go to the vast majority of games, home and away and I would say those that ‘back the board’ are diminishing weekly, probably no more than 25%.
Many of them are older, who have learnt that they don’t like change.
I am 64 and are desperate for a board change before I pass
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I would like to see Fenty go as much as the next man but unless or until someone comes in who is prepared to invest big money into the club to buy the players we are all bitching about not currently having then there's no point in change

As well a bigger transfer budget a new man with money would change the manager so there's another reason for Fenty to go


The point is that no-one is investing any money. The debt/benign loan has not got any bigger and reduced by £200k in the last set of accounts and it will be interesting to see if it has reduced further in the latest set (link not put up). The club is stagnant without any obvious change of direction.
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Wow!
On what scientific basis is that based upon?

I go to the vast majority of games, home and away and I would say those that ‘back the board’ are diminishing weekly, probably no more than 25%.
Many of them are older, who have learnt that they don’t like change.
I am 64 and are desperate for a board change before I pass



I stated that on the strength of the demonstration.
There's no scientific basis just like your assumption after speaking to people who are around you & attend away games.
The demonstration at the home was a decent barometer,it was well publicised and received media attention.
Unfortunately it had very limited effect.
What is strange is that nothing else was done after the end of the season.
It was almost that JF was forgiven,he was praised for appointing MJ and we carried on






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The Poll question could be, should GTFC officially and publicly be put up for sale YES or NO?

Or

Should John Fenty step down as non chairman of GTFC YES or NO?


And where we going to have this poll on the the  Fishy? Might get a few hundred take part if lucky.
The telegraph no one buys it anymore.
Grimsby online again a few hunded votes at best for those who bother.
A vote at a match but like many others I pick and choose these days might even be over the Xmas period befor I go again.

Now the nearest thing we have had to show Fenty and co that it’s not just a few drama queens on the fishy that want them out was to have a ‘mass’ protest demo,this was built up on all the main social media sites and local news and we all know how it went by showing the club the majority of fans didn’t want them out, only the drama queens of the fishy being hysterical.

And let’s say we did have some kind of poll and the majority say we want to keep things as they are for whatever reason, would that keep the anti Fenty Brigaide quite? Hell no!  just like the brexit losers they wouldn’t accept it and the abuse would carry on regardless, I’d like Fenty gone just so I wouldn’t  have to read
The repetitive boring posts.


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What will having a poll achieve? Sending it to the press wouldn't change anything. All it is is an opinion poll. The reality is that whatever means you have for conducting the poll will have the people that are disgruntled making far more effort to enter the poll and have a disproportionate result because of this.

If you want a change, then do something to enact that change. Put the club for sale on ebay, write a glowing account of everything positive about GTFC. Send this to every media outlet and try to get it some traction. Maybe it will fish out somebody who is genuinely interested. Those of you who claim to be in business or know lots of businessmen that "would invest if Fenty wasn't here", go out and talk to them to try and put together a consortium to take over the club.

Do one of many other things that I'm not creative enough to come up with to attract people to the club. But bleating on about it on the internet or having a poll isn't going to change anything, there's been enough of that done to know that it isn't getting anywhere and the majority don't want "Fenty out at any cost".
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And we’re we going to have this poll on the the  Fishy? Might get a few hundred take part if lucky.
The telegraph no one buys it anymore.
Grimsby online again a few hunded votes at best for those who bother.
A vote at a match but like many others I pick and choose these days might even be over the Xmas period befor I go again.

Now the nearest thing we have had to show Fenty and co that it’s not just a few drama queens on the fishy that want them out was to have a ‘mass’ protest demo,this was built up on all the main social media sites and local news and we all know how it went by showing the club the majority of fans didn’t want them out, only the drama queens of the fishy being hysterical.  

And let’s say we did have some kind of poll and the majority say we want to keep things as they are for whatever reason, would that keep the anti Fenty Brigaide quite? Hell no!  just like the brexit losers they wouldn’t accept it and the abuse would carry on regardless, I’d like Fenty gone just so I wouldn’t  have to read
The repetitive boring posts
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I think the poll would be useful just to gauge supporters mood.
Fully agree with the rest of the post.
Especially the last part.





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Now the nearest thing we have had to show Fenty and co that it’s not just a few drama queens on the fishy that want them out was to have a ‘mass’ protest demo,this was built up on all the main social media sites and local news and we all know how it went by showing the club the majority of fans didn’t want them out, only the drama queens of the fishy being hysterical.



Any protest is futile because it won't affect anything other than possibly performance, same as our bleatings on here because there is only one person who has any control over the future of Grimsby Town. But, if you don't mind, I'll reserve the right to have an opinion on the recent history of the football club I've supported for nigh on 50 years.
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Have we advertised in China and the far east that our club is up for sale,?

We have our local council urging us to build our new stadium in Freeman St,

Get in now and put your own idea:s in place and enjoy the ride from the bottom of L2 up to the Premiereship and beyond,

If you have money to invest and want to have your own club in England can you afford not to invest in the club that has 140 years of history.

OR

Did we just say    does anybody want to buy GTFC on the internet.?


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Quoted from grimsby pete
Have we advertised in China and the far east that our club is up for sale,?

We have our local council urging us to build our new stadium in Freeman St,

Get in now and put your own idea:s in place and enjoy the ride from the bottom of L2 up to the Premiereship and beyond,

If you have money to invest and want to have your own club in England can you afford not to invest in the club that has 140 years of history.

OR

Did we just say    does anybody want to buy GTFC on the internet.?


Not a bad idea that Pete or even somewhere like India they seem awash with money these days, must be all that foreign aid we keep sending them.


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I know but who are these people who would come  in to replace Fenty and the board and save GTFC by splashing the cash.?


We've got about the 8th best attendances in League 2, yet we're constantly at the bottom end of the division. The situation was similar in the seasons before we got relegated in 2010. We don't need anyone to splash the cash. We need someone to run the club on a much better basis, someone who doesn't alienate all and sundry, someone capable of bringing people together. Crowds will rise. Income will rise. More people will be willing to become engaged in the club.


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We've got about the 8th best attendances in League 2, yet we're constantly at the bottom end of the division. The situation was similar in the seasons before we got relegated in 2010. We don't need anyone to splash the cash. We need someone to run the club on a much better basis, someone who doesn't alienate all and sundry, someone capable of bringing people together. Crowds will rise. Income will rise. More people will be willing to become engaged in the club.


I hate the fact that budget usually dictates your league position, but then I think back to Buckley and remember what an amazing job he did, also worth looking at Notts County I’m guessing they have one of if not the biggest budget in the league.


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Like all business in the end fresh eyes new ideas are always needed to keep moving forward , unfortunately we have no ideas and clouded eyes running the show. Without change we are finished I genuinely think we could fall much further than the conference , other similar sized teams in better so called locations have gone this way
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Like all business in the end fresh eyes new ideas are always needed to keep moving forward , unfortunately we have no ideas and clouded eyes running the show. Without change we are finished I genuinely think we could fall much further than the conference , other similar sized teams in better so called locations have gone this way


It is as simple as that I think. 17 years is an awfully long time to run a football club; he may have started off brimming with ideas, creative ways to make money, to improve our standing and to build a new stadium but he has absolutely nothing to show for those dreams.

Now the whole club is in a time warp - unable to go forward because there are no new faces or ideas to drive the thing along. It is stale, predictable and even on match days, boring.

These are critical times - if this season goes belly up again as you say we could be looking at a very bleak future. This should not be happening with such a well supported club.
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Like all business in the end fresh eyes new ideas are always needed to keep moving forward , unfortunately we have no ideas and clouded eyes running the show. Without change we are finished I genuinely think we could fall much further than the conference , other similar sized teams in better so called locations have gone this way


I think there are plenty with ideas that realise that there's nothing they can do about it. Everything about the club is stale and needs way more than a lick of paint to put it right - there is no impetus from within to make things better and all we see from the outside is someone trying to claw back his investment.
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I don’t believe for one minute no one is interested in our club at all its about time Fenty put us up for sale officially



FFS how many times has JF said that he wants out and will sell if the right offer comes along ie gets back what the club owes in loans. Too many people forget that when a certain local supermarket owner left the Board he wanted his loans back there and then, and was quite prepared to see the club go bust as long as he got his money.
What more can JF do to sell the club? Maybe you advocate putting it in the classified adverts in a national newspaper. There is a lot of bile aimed at JF , and I understand and agree with a lot of the issues but  how many of his detractors on here would just write off such a large sum of money that had been used to keep a business afloat. Regardless of whether you agree with how we got to this situation the fact remains that JF's money has kept the club afloat. We hear so much about people would invest in the club if JF wasn't there but surely those same people would then buy him out and then run the club themselves. Mike Parker is mentioned on here a lot in respect to this situation but he could have bought JF out and run the show himself.


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I think there are plenty with ideas that realise that there's nothing they can do about it. Everything about the club is stale and needs way more than a lick of paint to put it right - there is no impetus from within to make things better and all we see from the outside is someone trying to claw back his investment.


Without doubt the club is stale but other than do a Blackpool and boycot to force the board out what can we do ?
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FFS how many times has JF said that he wants out and will sell if the right offer comes along ie gets back what the club owes in loans. Too many people forget that when a certain local supermarket owner left the Board he wanted his loans back there and then, and was quite prepared to see the club go bust as long as he got his money.
What more can JF do to sell the club? Maybe you advocate putting it in the classified adverts in a national newspaper. There is a lot of bile aimed at JF , and I understand and agree with a lot of the issues but  how many of his detractors on here would just write off such a large sum of money that had been used to keep a business afloat. Regardless of whether you agree with how we got to this situation the fact remains that JF's money has kept the club afloat. We hear so much about people would invest in the club if JF wasn't there but surely those same people would then buy him out and then run the club themselves. Mike Parker is mentioned on here a lot in respect to this situation but he could have bought JF out and run the show himself.


If the sale price is sensible I think a buyer would be found BUT what’s the price .. as that info ever been divulged ?
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JFs money may well have kept the Club afloat (and that I am thankful for) however, it’s onviously JFs money and he seems to want it all back? How many owners get all their money back? You don’t buy a brand new car, have it 29 years and get all the money back that you paid for tax, servicing, insurance, repairs etc. It just doesn’t happen like that.

My concern is that he is dragging the Club down because it would appear that he wants every penny returned and therefore the asking price is totally untenable for any prospective buyer.

I also note that the Peaks Parkway that appears to have lost it’s momentum is a project that he saw as a ‘Cash Cow’ and a pension. Freemo might not be as lucrative to him but it would be for the regeneration of the Town.

Honestly, it’s time to go and let someone else have a shout and, if he is a fan like I think he is, cut some of those losses so the Club can be more attractive for purchase.
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If the sale price is sensible I think a buyer would be found BUT what’s the price .. as that info ever been divulged ?


Fenty has said he is willing to wait for his money if the investor could put new money into the club but could not pay him off as well.

That was what John told me ( when he was talking to me )  

I think the total he wants and that is only my guess is £2+ million in loans and £1 . 4   mullion in shares,

I suppose if they did not buy his shares he would want to stay on the board.

So we need a person with loads of money to spare.


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The idea to create a poll completely underestimates the complexities involved in designing representative surveys which produce reliable data. There's a reason why noone reports on Twitter and Facebook polls, it has a self-respecting reach. There's also a reason why professional polling organisations charge a lot to commission, as they spend a lot of time thinking about sample size, identifying participants, ensuring demographic representation, the wording of the questions asked etc.
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JFs money may well have kept the Club afloat (and that I am thankful for) however, it’s onviously JFs money and he seems to want it all back? How many owners get all their money back? You don’t buy a brand new car, have it 29 years and get all the money back that you paid for tax, servicing, insurance, repairs etc. It just doesn’t happen like that.

My concern is that he is dragging the Club down because it would appear that he wants every penny returned and therefore the asking price is totally untenable for any prospective buyer.

I also note that the Peaks Parkway that appears to have lost it’s momentum is a project that he saw as a ‘Cash Cow’ and a pension. Freemo might not be as lucrative to him but it would be for the regeneration of the Town.

Honestly, it’s time to go and let someone else have a shout and, if he is a fan like I think he is, cut some of those losses so the Club can be more attractive for purchase.


???
Why wouldn't he expect the loans to be payed back-certainty all business minded people would expect that.
Tbf Gy Pete has quoted him saying he would wait if new investors were found.



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FFS how many times has JF said that he wants out and will sell if the right offer comes along ie gets back what the club owes in loans.
Too many people forget that when a certain local supermarket owner left the Board he wanted his loans back there and then, and was quite prepared to see the club go bust as long as he got his money.
What more can JF do to sell the club? Maybe you advocate putting it in the classified adverts in a national newspaper. There is a lot of bile aimed at JF , and I understand and agree with a lot of the issues but  how many of his detractors on here would just write off such a large sum of money that had been used to keep a business afloat. Regardless of whether you agree with how we got to this situation the fact remains that JF's money has kept the club afloat. We hear so much about people would invest in the club if JF wasn't there but surely those same people would then buy him out and then run the club themselves. Mike Parker is mentioned on here a lot in respect to this situation but he could have bought JF out and run the show himself.


This isn't in question is it? It's the amount of people he's said it to. A few blokes in a room at a Fan's Forum or secretly filmed on a phone? That's hardly gonna get the job done is it..
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What about Robles, was he brought in for this season or as one for the future, if it's the first than surely questions have to be asked of certain people.
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Let’s instigate an official poll and show the results in and on every media source available. We need to put our thoughts by simply answering YES or NO to the poll question. The results will give the clear indication of what the fans want and crank up the heat on the board.

All this dedate is all well and good but it doesn’t go to the places that needs it. An Official Poll is what’s required to start the potential change in leadership.

Until then we’ll just go around in circles like we have for many years now. Let’s try something different but at the right time



I'm assuming by " let's " you mean let us? If that's the case and you feel so strongly about this course of action then instead of " let's " you could say " I " and you can start the ball rolling.


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FFS how many times has JF said that he wants out and will sell if the right offer comes along ie gets back what the club owes in loans. Too many people forget that when a certain local supermarket owner left the Board he wanted his loans back there and then, and was quite prepared to see the club go bust as long as he got his money.
What more can JF do to sell the club? Maybe you advocate putting it in the classified adverts in a national newspaper. There is a lot of bile aimed at JF , and I understand and agree with a lot of the issues but  how many of his detractors on here would just write off such a large sum of money that had been used to keep a business afloat. Regardless of whether you agree with how we got to this situation the fact remains that JF's money has kept the club afloat. We hear so much about people would invest in the club if JF wasn't there but surely those same people would then buy him out and then run the club themselves. Mike Parker is mentioned on here a lot in respect to this situation but he could have bought JF out and run the show himself.


He should write off his loans against the £3 million the club lost by dropping out of the Football League under his charge.
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He should write off his loans against the £3 million the club lost by dropping out of the Football League under his charge.


What he should do and what he will do are two completely different things. It's clear he believes we should be grateful to still have a football club.
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Quoted from 1542
JFs money may well have kept the Club afloat (and that I am thankful for) however, it’s onviously JFs money and he seems to want it all back? How many owners get all their money back? You don’t buy a brand new car, have it 29 years and get all the money back that you paid for tax, servicing, insurance, repairs etc. It just doesn’t happen like that.

My concern is that he is dragging the Club down because it would appear that he wants every penny returned and therefore the asking price is totally untenable for any prospective buyer.

I also note that the Peaks Parkway that appears to have lost it’s momentum is a project that he saw as a ‘Cash Cow’ and a pension. Freemo might not be as lucrative to him but it would be for the regeneration of the Town.

Honestly, it’s time to go and let someone else have a shout and, if he is a fan like I think he is, cut some of those losses so the Club can be more attractive for purchase.



Let it usually works in housing and most businesses are sold at a profit. Isn't that how JF accumulated his wealth in the first place with 5 Star.


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I know but who are these people who would come  in to replace Fenty and the board and save GTFC by splashing the cash.?


Do you have to splash the cash, we are talking about how the club is run and whoever you want to run the club there is no getting away from the fact that this club has been badly run for over 15 years and the buck has to stop somewhere.
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Do you have to splash the cash, we are talking about how the club is run and whoever you want to run the club there is no getting away from the fact that this club has been badly run for over 15 years and the buck has to stop somewhere.


There are clubs with much smaller fan bases and much smaller budgets that are run by Supporters Trusts -  I'm sure our trust has all the skills that these have
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The idea that we need a sugar daddy to constantly pump millions into the club is stoooopid.  Granted the investor will need some capital to oust the dictator, after that, we just need to run the club more efficiently and to be forward thinking.

We have not grown one inch, under JF totalitarian regime, we have regressed and we are soo far behind the rest of the clubs we are supposed to be competing with.

The longer we continue with JF, the larger, the cancer will grow and the less chance we have of surviving.
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The idea that we need a sugar daddy to constantly pump millions into the club is stoooopid.  Granted the investor will need some capital to oust the dictator, after that, we just need to run the club more efficiently and to be forward thinking.

We have not grown one inch, under JF totalitarian regime, we have regressed and we are soo far behind the rest of the clubs we are supposed to be competing with.

The longer we continue with JF, the larger, the cancer will grow and the less chance we have of surviving.




….and of course the "investor" could soon become the new " dictator ".


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….and of course the "investor" could soon become the new " dictator ".


Yeah, but they have 17 years before they get rumbled.
Personally, I wouldn’t call that ‘soon’ !!


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….and of course the "investor" could soon become the new " dictator ".


I couldn't care less - they're unlikely to be as unsuccessful as the current one.
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Let it usually works in housing and most businesses are sold at a profit. Isn't that how JF accumulated his wealth in the first place with 5 Star.


Houses grow in value in real terms because of the increasing population and growing incomes. I don't see how that applies to a football club, unless you're talking about the value of the land (which will be worth less than the money lent by JF for a very long time).

So JF made a fortune with 5 Star Fish. How has this business acumen helped Grimsby Town Football Club? Quite simply it hasn't. It's done the reverse.


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There are clubs with much smaller fan bases and much smaller budgets that are run by Supporters Trusts -  I'm sure our trust has all the skills that these have


Sadly the Mariners Trust board do not think they have.


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Sadly the Mariners Trust board do not think they have.


Wondered how long it would be..As someone who spent a lifetime working in the public sector I can assure you that I possess none of the business acumen, experience or indeed the skills needed to run a professional football club. I would be quite happy to work for whoever took on the role if my services were requested. There's a difference between putting your head above the parapet and walking into no-mans land.


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Wondered how long it would be..As someone who spent a lifetime working in the public sector I can assure you that I possess none of the business acumen, experience or indeed the skills needed to run a professional football club. I would be quite happy to work for whoever took on the role if my services were requested. There's a difference between putting your head above the parapet and walking into no-mans land.


I think the Trust undersells itself Ian - most of the most sensible stuff I've seen from the club in the last 5 years has come from members of the Trust and I genuinely believe that, given the opportunity, the Trust could & would recruit the skills needed to run the club.

I know I rattle on about Newport but, according to my friend on Newport's board, this was one of the things that scared them. But now, they've all found their own little niche and are making a success of it because they have a passion for their club.
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I think the Trust undersells itself Ian - most of the most sensible stuff I've seen from the club in the last 5 years has come from members of the Trust and I genuinely believe that, given the opportunity, the Trust could & would recruit the skills needed to run the club.

I know I rattle on about Newport but, according to my friend on Newport's board, this was one of the things that scared them. But now, they've all found their own little niche and are making a success of it because they have a passion for their club.


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Wondered how long it would be..As someone who spent a lifetime working in the public sector I can assure you that I possess none of the business acumen, experience or indeed the skills needed to run a professional football club. I would be quite happy to work for whoever took on the role if my services were requested. There's a difference between putting your head above the parapet and walking into no-mans land.


I was saying what you normally say and hinting that that’s regrettable. Why are you so touchy about that?


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PS and where has the ‘business acumen’ and private sector experience of the club’s directors got us Barra? You could hardly do worse.

PPS a community owned football club would have more in common with a publicly accountable public service organisation than a fish merchant business anyway.


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PS and where has the ‘business acumen’ and private sector experience of the club’s directors got us Barra? You could hardly do worse.

PPS a community owned football club would have more in common with a publicly accountable public service organisation than a fish merchant business anyway.


More than that, a club run by the fans for the fans would bring hundreds if not thousands back through the turnstiles.
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More than that, a club run by the fans for the fans would bring hundreds if not thousands back through the turnstiles.


Not if the team is once again relegated from the football league due to crap players and manager being signed on the cheap

It matters not who owns or runs the club  if it fails on the pitch, and it will continue to fail unless a large amount of money is injected and however great the increased attendances are because the Trust in in charge will still not do that

Better to ask Fenty to double his benign loan



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Not if the team is once again relegated from the football league due to crap players and manager being signed on the cheap

It matters not who owns or runs the club  if it fails on the pitch, and it will continue to fail unless a large amount of money is injected and however great the increased attendances are because the Trust in in charge will still not do that

Better to ask Fenty to double his benign loan



Have a bit of vision Swin - I accept it might be a pipe dream but our club in a new stadium run by people who want success rather than a return on investment, engaging with the community - even an old curmudgeon like you might forgive the odd wrong decision here & there.
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Have a bit of vision Swin - I accept it might be a pipe dream but our club in a new stadium run by people who want success rather than a return on investment, engaging with the community - even an old curmudgeon like you might forgive the odd wrong decision here & there.


Must admit I had to google it...

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I was saying what you normally say and hinting that that’s regrettable. Why are you so touchy about that?


Not touchy..just resolute


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The council seem to want the final say on the proposed new stadium. I wonder what would happen if the Conservatives become the governing body and Mr. J.S.F. became the Council Leader.   Would the Toll Bar traffic lights be reverted back to a roundabout and the Stadium built at Great Coates.    Only joking  
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I am surprised, no amazed, no gobsmacked there has not been a concerted "Fenty out" chant at home games. I cannot believe the majority of home fans are happy with his regime, and its running of the club.

I must be wrong though, as bar pockets of Fenty out chants there has been a deafening silence from the majority.

I thought the tide would change when Woods had his ridiculous run and the board kept him on; I thought the tide would turn when we went down; I thought the tide would turn when we spent 6 years in non-league but still the majority at home games seem to sit there unmoved.  

I don't know what the answer is, perhaps people have been fed the idea so often that if it wasn't for Fenty we would not have a club at all.


The trouble with large swathes of the fanbase chanting Fenty Out during games is what impact will it have on the team and management? During his tenure we are barring the 6 non leagues years inevitably battling for survival in League 2 and I think most fans are fearful of making things even worse by having a pop.
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If you just go for season ticket holders then they are very likely to vote for the status quo as they commit to that very status quo! On the other hand, someone who would never buy a season ticket or regularly attend home games, why should they be allowed to vote? But they might be a massive fan! It's really hard to find a fair way to conduct such a poll.

The fairest way I can think of is to announce that anyone who attends a specific game (well in advance) can vote.


Not sure you are right regarding ST holders Rob? I am a STH and have no faith whatsoever in the current board I renewed simply to try and back MJ after I thought he performed a miracle last Season. If people are serious about a poll let`s have some forms before our next home league game outside all turnstiles it wont be too difficult getting 3.5k names.
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I stated that on the strength of the demonstration.
There's no scientific basis just like your assumption after speaking to people who are around you & attend away games.
The demonstration at the home was a decent barometer,it was well publicised and received media attention.
Unfortunately it had very limited effect.
What is strange is that nothing else was done after the end of the season.
It was almost that JF was forgiven,he was praised for appointing MJ and we carried on





Of course it could be that people central to the protest were asked to get behind the team to ensure League 2 survival and following that actually happening they didn`t want to hamper MJ and his efforts? Now with a very disappointing run of results we find ourselves more or less back to where we were last Season. Clearly we need a massive sea change off the pitch I have genuine hope for the Freemo project and GTFC being revitalized but I don`t see JF being any part of that?
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Polls schmolls do you think Fenty is going to take one bit of notice,he'll only put it down to a vocal minority on the Fishy.
The only thing he will take notice of is falling gates,which will injure the club.He is a temporary incumbent whos time will pass.just keep telling yourselves the Club will still be here long after he has gone.

In the absence of a benign millionaire wishing to invest in the club I am afraid we are stuck with him,defeatist I know but that is the reality.  


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Polls schmolls do you think Fenty is going to take one bit of notice,he'll only put it down to a vocal minority on the Fishy.
The only thing he will take notice of is falling gates,which will injure the club.He is a temporary incumbent whos time will pass.just keep telling yourselves the Club will still be here long after he has gone.

In the absence of a benign millionaire wishing to invest in the club I am afraid we are stuck with him,defeatist I know but that is the reality.  


We need to make him listen rather than waiting for something to happen. This is half the problem, people just accept the fact that he’s with us for the foreseeable future. I hope and know that we’ve got it in us to make the noises publicly and not just forum moans.

Let’s not go down without a fight.

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Polls schmolls do you think Fenty is going to take one bit of notice,he'll only put it down to a vocal minority on the Fishy.
The only thing he will take notice of is falling gates,which will injure the club.He is a temporary incumbent whos time will pass.just keep telling yourselves the Club will still be here long after he has gone.

In the absence of a benign millionaire wishing to invest in the club I am afraid we are stuck with him,defeatist I know but that is the reality.  


That is the bit I am having trouble with at the moment.  People seem to think that the lack of protest means that the majority accept the current regime.  Well I for one don't believe that.  It's just that apathy has set in big time. I certainly didn't see anyone standing up for JF and Co at the car park protest last season. !!   I have a genuine fear that if we go down (and if others strengthen in Jan and we don't, it is a possibility), we will end up being another York.  I genuinely can't see more than 1500 season ticket sales if we do go down.  Also, far less than this season even if we stay up but  don't see some kind of hope of improvement.  MJ seemingly performed miracles at the end of last season and I think we all got a bit carried away.  I do have faith in MJ, but can't see him really being given the tools to do the job. I really hope I'm wrong, but I can't see my 18 year old son having half the good times I have had watching Town.
90% of which were pre-Fenty.  


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That is the bit I am having trouble with at the moment.  People seem to think that the lack of protest means that the majority accept the current regime.  Well I for one don't believe that.  It's just that apathy has set in big time. I certainly didn't see anyone standing up for JF and Co at the car park protest last season. !!   I have a genuine fear that if we go down (and if others strengthen in Jan and we don't, it is a possibility), we will end up being another York.  I genuinely can't see more than 1500 season ticket sales if we do go down.  Also, far less than this season even if we stay up but  don't see some kind of hope of improvement.  MJ seemingly performed miracles at the end of last season and I think we all got a bit carried away.  I do have faith in MJ, but can't see him really being given the tools to do the job. I really hope I'm wrong, but I can't see my 18 year old son having half the good times I have had watching Town.
90% of which were pre-Fenty.  


Good post Civvy - I buy three STs and have sponsored a players kit for the past few seasons, all of which is because I love GTFC and have done since 1968. It stopped when we dropped into non-league (I went about 10 times a season) and it will stop again if our inability to improve causes us to drop again.

I feel for Michael Jolley - he's clearly trying to impress and build a career in football management but he must already be frustrated at the task he's been set.
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We need to make him listen rather than waiting for something to happen. This is half the problem, people just accept the fact that he’s with us for the foreseeable future. I hope and know that we’ve got it in us to make the noises publicly and not just forum moans.

Let’s not go down without a fight.

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Sorry but feel he is so obdurate that he only listens to the yes men he surrounds himself with,I think with J.F. the bunker mentality has set in.
The thing is much as I would like it to be at the moment it is not our club,and the only thing Fenty understands is when he is hit in the pocket.


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Have a bit of vision Swin - I accept it might be a pipe dream but our club in a new stadium run by people who want success rather than a return on investment, engaging with the community - even an old curmudgeon like you might forgive the odd wrong decision here & there.


Rather a curmudgeon that being away with the fairies. Firstly we will never get a new stadium, no one is going to invest in any worthwhile amount purely for the love of the Grimsby community and wanting success is totally different to actually being able to achieve it. For all Fenty's faults not wanting success is not one of them, he craves it as much as we do

I ask the question again, where is the money needed to get success through buying better players going to come from unless we find a mad moneybags investor, not from the Trust running things that's for sure

When we are playing at one or two levels down from the FL because there's no money they are not going to come whether its the Trust, Fenty, you or me running the club


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I feel for Michael Jolley - he's clearly trying to impress and build a career in football management but he must already be frustrated at the task he's been set.


Oh come on!

He must have known exactly what he was getting into. He may be clueless as a football manager but he's not stupid that's for sure.

If the club was fantastically ambitious and was going to pump cash into the team (and manager) he wouldn't have got near the job. There would have been a deluge of more experienced proven managers clamouring for the position



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The club is in the shite. With no ground move there is a pressing need for updating BP. I am not talking about a few quid on toilets etc but there is a huge cost on the horizon that we must find. Without spending we could be have to groundshare.
Who is going to pay for these essential repairs? Straight choice between JF increasing his loans or it comes out of the budget. Either way we are fooked
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Rather a curmudgeon that being away with the fairies. Firstly we will never get a new stadium, no one is going to invest in any worthwhile amount purely for the love of the Grimsby community and wanting success is totally different to actually being able to achieve it. For all Fenty's faults not wanting success is not one of them, he craves it as much as we do

I ask the question again, where is the money needed to get success through buying better players going to come from unless we find a mad moneybags investor, not from the Trust running things that's for sure

When we are playing at one or two levels down from the FL because there's no money they are not going to come whether its the Trust, Fenty, you or me running the club


Season ticket sales and match day receipts, which puts us at the top end of the league, despite our continual failures on the pitch. How do other clubs with less fans through the gates keep outperforming us? Why did Mike Parker, who was willing to put a million pounds into the club, walk away so quickly? Why did Lee Mullen walk away and put money into Alfreton instead?

The question has to be asked why we struggle each and every season. Not all clubs have someone pumping in cash to give them a bigger budget than their gates would otherwise allow, so what are they doing, that we are not?

Why did the top goalscorer in living memory end up at Hartlepool along with Toto? Why did Arnold leave and go to Lincoln? Why did Hurst leave us for Shrewsbury, a team no bigger than we are? Why have we not finished above mid table League 2 since 2006? There is way more to this than who is going to pump money into the club, which JF hasn't done for years anyway.
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Rather a curmudgeon that being away with the fairies. Firstly we will never get a new stadium, no one is going to invest in any worthwhile amount purely for the love of the Grimsby community and wanting success is totally different to actually being able to achieve it. For all Fenty's faults not wanting success is not one of them, he craves it as much as we do

I ask the question again, where is the money needed to get success through buying better players going to come from unless we find a mad moneybags investor, not from the Trust running things that's for sure

When we are playing at one or two levels down from the FL because there's no money they are not going to come whether its the Trust, Fenty, you or me running the club


There is the chance of a new stadium if the club and the council are prepared to bite their tongues and compromise a bit. NELC would love a new stadium somewhere in a regeneration area not especially because anyone there loves the club but because it would be a symbol that would reflect well on them publicly. So in general and political terms it could be done, but there are weaknesses in the idea.

As to Fenty, you could be right Swin, if he went there is no guarantee of more money than the club has now ..... certainly if the Trust is running the show. There is no guarantee of some crackpot millionaire rolling up to back the club. If Fenty went and new money failed to come in then the club might go under pretty fast even if staying at BP.

The club could go down the plug hole and do a York quite quickly and that is where the council might be reluctant to help with a new stadium, because York had exactly the same problem. These things are interconnected. Before NELC would/could agree to public money being involved in a stadium, the council is bound to have preconditions, the biggest being who owns the stadium, and they do not want to be left with a financial white elephant if the club folds. It will not be enough to have some glib phrase about community use, the stadium itself will still need a proper business plan. Therefore in that scenario, Fenty might have to stay at least short term as a guarantor of the club’s solvency because the club would have used its biggest asset of BP as a contribution to the costs of the new build.

If someone else directly replaced Fenty as guarantor, then all well and good, but they would have to show sufficient assets to convince the council about the risks. That could be the weakness of a Trust takeover because NELC is not rich enough to fill that role and will be risk averse to being left with debts if the Trust goes toes up.

On the playing budget, the only way that could increase enough to move the club up the pyramid is if someone is prepared to put money in as a gift in some shape or form and accept that their investment in the club will be a loser .... but in return they get to own a football club. They cannot expect to gain substantial disposable assets or a profit on their investment. The Trust might be able to maintain the status quo but could never generate the sort of income needed to finance promotions and life in a higher league.

I have much sympathy with the view that we should just take the risk and go all out for a new owner. But I do think it is unfortunately a more complex situation than a simple “Fenty Out” and “Someone Else (anyone!) In”. Lots of ducks to get in a row before it will work.


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I am going to ask a potentially naive question, in the hope of getting some actual facts back...

What is it that Mr Fenty has actually done wrong?

Clearly we all want more success, exciting football, a new stadium, and the like, and he has an amount of influence in this, as do us fans, the manager, the players, the board, the trust etc, but is this just a case of looking for someone to blame?

We are a league 2, maybe lower league1, sized club, which is fairly unfashionable, in an area that while most of us love it and (still) call it home, many players wanting a large city life wouldn't choose it. The stadium is not attractive (again we love it and would miss it) and the location and investment return potential makes an impressive new stadium all but impossible.

He has appointed at least justifiable looking choices as manager on most occasions (personally Slade 2nd time always looks a bad choice to me). None have been universally agreed on as a poor decision before hand.

We don't have queues of wealthy GTFC fans to buy the club, and looking across the whole country, could we claim to be anywhere near the best opportunity for a wealthy individual or consortium  to invest in a football club in England?

I personally don't believe in the calls to try to spend beyond our means now to see the return in the future. Borrowing now is no guarantee of success, and thats how you get into real trouble.

Mr Fenty isn't an idiot - he has not put money and loans into GTFC to make a profit. He loves the club and has done what he could to support it through tough times. I struggle to see what else he could have done - if he hadn't given and lent the club money and we were in an even worse state, wouldn't that have been worse?

He seems like an honest guy, who is GTFC through and through, who has tried his best, who has and will continue to make mistakes on the way as we all do.

What am I missing? Honest question.

Cue my biggest ever red cross count lol.
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I am going to ask a potentially naive question, in the hope of getting some actual facts back...

What is it that Mr Fenty has actually done wrong?

Clearly we all want more success, exciting football, a new stadium, and the like, and he has an amount of influence in this, as do us fans, the manager, the players, the board, the trust etc, but is this just a case of looking for someone to blame?

We are a league 2, maybe lower league1, sized club, which is fairly unfashionable, in an area that while most of us love it and (still) call it home, many players wanting a large city life wouldn't choose it. The stadium is not attractive (again we love it and would miss it) and the location and investment return potential makes an impressive new stadium all but impossible.

He has appointed at least justifiable looking choices as manager on most occasions (personally Slade 2nd time always looks a bad choice to me). None have been universally agreed on as a poor decision before hand.

We don't have queues of wealthy GTFC fans to buy the club, and looking across the whole country, could we claim to be anywhere near the best opportunity for a wealthy individual or consortium  to invest in a football club in England?

I personally don't believe in the calls to try to spend beyond our means now to see the return in the future. Borrowing now is no guarantee of success, and thats how you get into real trouble.

Mr Fenty isn't an idiot - he has not put money and loans into GTFC to make a profit. He loves the club and has done what he could to support it through tough times. I struggle to see what else he could have done - if he hadn't given and lent the club money and we were in an even worse state, wouldn't that have been worse?

He seems like an honest guy, who is GTFC through and through, who has tried his best, who has and will continue to make mistakes on the way as we all do.

What am I missing? Honest question.

Cue my biggest ever red cross count lol.


The simplest answer is that in football you never stand still and you can never have consolidation as your aim or you go backwards. You are in a finite world in competition with all those other clubs, if someone moves up then someone else must move down. The job of the owner and the manager is to see that the club is not one of the latter and has a good chance of being one or the former. Normal business models do not apply. In football you must speculate to accumulate. At its simplest level OP got us a player who saved us from more wilderness years. That achievement is wasted because Mr Fenty does not believe it.



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Mr Fenty isn't an idiot -



There's a video on Youtube where he is an absolute idiot. A complete doofus. A recording of him too, being similarly underhand and clueless.
This is him in reality, when, incredibly, he seems to think all is under control and he's succeeding and he can do whatever he wants with the reputation of MY club.

The club is crippled under his tenure.



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Not touchy..just resolute


Fair play!  


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Ask not what Fenty has done wrong,

BUT

What has he done right.


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I am going to ask a potentially naive question, in the hope of getting some actual facts back...

What is it that Mr Fenty has actually done wrong?

Clearly we all want more success, exciting football, a new stadium, and the like, and he has an amount of influence in this, as do us fans, the manager, the players, the board, the trust etc, but is this just a case of looking for someone to blame?

We are a league 2, maybe lower league1, sized club, which is fairly unfashionable, in an area that while most of us love it and (still) call it home, many players wanting a large city life wouldn't choose it. The stadium is not attractive (again we love it and would miss it) and the location and investment return potential makes an impressive new stadium all but impossible.

He has appointed at least justifiable looking choices as manager on most occasions (personally Slade 2nd time always looks a bad choice to me). None have been universally agreed on as a poor decision before hand.

We don't have queues of wealthy GTFC fans to buy the club, and looking across the whole country, could we claim to be anywhere near the best opportunity for a wealthy individual or consortium  to invest in a football club in England?

I personally don't believe in the calls to try to spend beyond our means now to see the return in the future. Borrowing now is no guarantee of success, and thats how you get into real trouble.

Mr Fenty isn't an idiot - he has not put money and loans into GTFC to make a profit. He loves the club and has done what he could to support it through tough times. I struggle to see what else he could have done - if he hadn't given and lent the club money and we were in an even worse state, wouldn't that have been worse?

He seems like an honest guy, who is GTFC through and through, who has tried his best, who has and will continue to make mistakes on the way as we all do.

What am I missing? Honest question.

Cue my biggest ever red cross count lol.




Ok, as a critic of JF I think I should try and back up what I post.

This is purely my opinion by the way.

I think initially John did pull the club out of what was looking to be a pretty dire situation.  I do believe he is (possibly now was) a big Town fan, and did it with the right intentions.

However, for whatever reasons he has now lost most of the reality of the situation and is at the moment detrimental to the running of the Club.  He has alienated the fans on more than one occasion.  To my mind, the biggest recent gaff (one of too many to mention in one reply) was condemning the magnificent efforts of the Trust and the supporters in Op Promotion.  His PR has been shambolic on more than one occasion.  His focus on a new ground has been such that he has let BP fall into a pretty bad state. But not so focused as to get the job (ie a new stadium) done, or at the moment even half done. By my reckoning we are no further to a new ground than when he took over the reins.  Alec King I believe  (I stand to be corrected) said that there would be no new stadium when he left the club and boy has he been proved right.  His managerial appointments is a tough one to be too harsh about. However, we have no real knowledge of who applied when, and whether or not he could have attracted better with the right package.  In terms of investment, people always come out with 'well who else is there?' that was answered by Mike Parker and (to a lesser extent) the Mullins. Both came in full of excitement, both left (relatively shortly) under less than favourable circumstances.!!

As for budgets, another tough one to call. We know we have more than most actually coming through the turnstiles, but I believe our other sources of income are less than most.  But the Bogle money would appear to have been flushed away with nothing to show for it.  The board must have approved the spending at some stage !!

Which brings me to the final point (I should get some actual work done I suppose).  The board !!
We don't really know what goes on in the boardroom as we are not actually there.  But the very strong general feeling is that they are pretty much 'yes men' which is not what you always need with big decision making.  Messrs Day and Marley will say they provide expertise in their field ? possibly questionable, especially in the case of Marley.  But please can someone tell me the input from the horse trainer (whose name I can't even be bothered to google) ???  And I for one would rather not have a Trust member having to agree to board etiquette I'd rather they be a louder voice of opposition, but I may be in the minority on that one.

Overall, we just have to look at what the clubhave achieved (or rather not) under the current regime.  in reality , it's 3/5ths of buggger all.  What do we think we have to look forward to under the current regime?Once again it looks like 3/5ths of buggger all I'm afraid.

There are those who will say we may not be in existence without JF.  I personally don't subscribe to that.
And if him digging us out of the mire all those years ago gives him the right to behave as he does now, well in my book that's a very very high price to pay.

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The simplest answer is that in football you never stand still and you can never have consolidation as your aim or you go backwards. You are in a finite world in competition with all those other clubs, if someone moves up then someone else must move down. The job of the owner and the manager is to see that the club is not one of the latter and has a good chance of being one or the former. Normal business models do not apply. In football you must speculate to accumulate. At its simplest level OP got us a player who saved us from more wilderness years. That achievement is wasted because Mr Fenty does not believe it.



Meant in the nicest possible way, Im glad you are not in charge of the club (fwiw, Im glad Im not either). Where does that kind of thinking end? We take on extra debt that by its very nature we cannot afford to service/pay off with the status quo. If we have some success, lets say we get to league 1, I presume your attitude would be the same. Therefore we borrow more so we can have more success, again which we could not afford unless we have success. Repeat until we fail, and are left with unmaintainable debt and a club certain for bankruptcy.

I appreciate the answer though. there have been no other attempts to actually give specific examples of mistakes, or what others might have done better.
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He has alienated the fans on more than one occasion.
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Thanks for the reply. Was interesting reading.

I certainly cant argue about the alienation. I think thats a very fair point -better PR, better handling of various issues, more engagement with fans certainly would have been beneficial off the field, and therefore potentially on it too.

Im not sure we can blame him for the ground. I think had he(and/or the board) not tried to commit to the ground, we would all of been very disappointed. However, it does feel like an impossible task for me, so where we are now is somewhat inevitable.

I have to admit to not really knowing what happened with Mike Parker and the Mullens. Do we actually know what they were offering, and why they ended up not contributing? I'd love to understand this better, because as you rightly say, this might have been the clubs one chance to get some real investment, or maybe it wasn't. I can't help feeling that most of us fans would have stayed and contributed to the club we love no matter what we had to deal with.

The 'board' I agree is a strange one - feels like we would all like to get more incite into the board meetings, and what they are actually doing to further the club.

I guess I just get frustrated with a couple of the approaches I see on here regarding Mr Fenty (though Im not saying you fall into either of these for the record)
1. The get rid of him no matter what? That is pure madness. Even if there was universal agreement he was doing a very poor job, he/the board needs replacing, and getting rid without a replacement lined up that has a considerably better than average chance of improving things would be suicide.
2. The idea that all alternatives to Fenty would be successful. There is a wide spectrum of levels of success that could have come to the club under various leaderships. My suspicion is that our current place is well within the top half of successful outcomes. Other opinions are available.
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We've got about the 8th best attendances in League 2, yet we're constantly at the bottom end of the division. The situation was similar in the seasons before we got relegated in 2010. We don't need anyone to splash the cash. We need someone to run the club on a much better basis, someone who doesn't alienate all and sundry, someone capable of bringing people together. Crowds will rise. Income will rise. More people will be willing to become engaged in the club.


This sums it up excellently.  

We need to move away from this fear that the club is propped up by the millions and millions of John Fenty.

If I read it correctly, he actually took money out of the club according to the last set of published accounts.  

Accrington and Wycombe were promoted last season.  Collectively they don't have a pot to urine in, but they're run in the right manner.
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This sums it up excellently.  

We need to move away from this fear that the club is propped up by the millions and millions of John Fenty.

If I read it correctly, he actually took money out of the club according to the last set of published accounts.  

Accrington and Wycombe were promoted last season.  Collectively they don't have a pot to urine in, but they're run in the right manner.


FWIW, Im really not trying to defend Mr Fenty, just get my head around the situation.
Do we know what our gate receipts less expenditure are? 8th highest attendance doesn't imply we have 8ths highest income if we charge less than most, or if Blundell Park costs a lot more to maintain/run on match day.

Even if we do have the 8th highest income, is it really mostly Mr Fenty's fault if we fail to perform. I don't believe we recruited on the cheap (at least this time around). We appointed a manager that most were pleased with. Recent signings such as Welsh, Hessenthaler wouldn't have come cheap I don't believe. We have given out much longer contracts this time round. It could be argued that Mr Fenty/the board are doing roughly the right things, so now we have to hold tight and see if the manager and players are up to the task.
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Speculate to accumulate doesn't mean just throwing money at a situation. One has to invest to recoup. I did this in a very small way when i decided i no longer wanted to get up at 7am and go to someone's house/building site to practice my work of being a joiner. I instead invested in a workshop, which was kitted out with the best equipment i could afford, and i now make stuff for a couple of customers on a semi regular basis. In fact, one of my customers has just left with £2000 worth of goods i made for her. It took a while and some effort, but i am now reaping the rewards of my outlay.

In footballing terms, if you speculate on players with potential (Bogle, Dembele) and sell them on for a tidy profit, or you pay better wages to attract a better standard of player, this can lead to better results on the pitch, which in turn brings in more fans and more income. Why wasn't some of the Bogle money invested in the next Bogle? Clubs such as Peterborough for instance have had much success with this model.

Having said all that, sometimes an organisation just needs a change to freshen things up; even successful ones get stale in time and need a fresh pair of eyes and approach. It can be very easy to just do what you have always done, and i think this has what has happened at BP. We are not in the financial mire that some clubs find themselves in and to be fair, the board have to get some praise for that, but the whole club is stale and more likely to go backwards than it is forwards, simply because other clubs are doing better with similar resources and leapfrogging ahead of us. You can't tread water in sport, because you get left behind. Fans are becoming fed up of the same old same old, and have been incredibly patient and loyal to this point, but i feel that there needs to be a change as it's starting to wear thin now, with once loyal fans like my brother giving up. I admit that i am not far behind him and finding it increasingly difficult to drag myself to BP for another boring game that we are more likely to lose than win.

I also don't get why people keep saying there is no one else who could possibly take over and put money into the club, when no-one ( other than the fans) are putting any money into the club now. All the present board are doing is deciding where and how the income from fans pockets is spent. There is the issue of the benign loans, but can someone tell me who owes what to whom? JF took over the club and is the de facto owner/chairman, so it could be argued that he simply owes money to himself. To my mind, no one person can own a football club that has been around for 140 years, with several custodians along the way that took it upon themselves to get involved in the running of said club in whatever way they saw fit, be it financial or not. Football clubs are not like a normal business, and you are taking on the hopes and fears of a generation of supporters, past, present and hopefully future. No amount of money "invested" gives any one person the right to say that they "own" something which is more of a way of life than it is a business. One person (JF) can give a lot of money, or many people (the fans) can give a little money. It all adds up to the same thing in the end. Only difference is that he gets to call the shots and we have to accept it. Upshot is that we have invested more money than he has over the years, yet somehow, we are the villains and he is the saviour of the club.  
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As drbell  points out, I dont see us getting a wealthty local benefactor with the best interests in the club at heart, anytime soon.
To be frank I dont think we need one (it would be nice if a rich local was prepared to bank roll the club mind ) provided we set out our stall correctly.

With open dialogue I am convinced we can make a better fist of what we have at present. No money has been put into the club for years by Mr Fenty, day to day we do ok. Our debt to JSF is historic but, rightly or wrongly, gives him total and utter control over everything to do with our football club.
By and large we 'wash our face' financially so, if we arent getting investment what do we do?

We try much more harder to increase our income. At present the club are in a rut, have been for years. I received the clubshop christmas catalogue recently. They could have changed the date and sent out the one from 2002. Nothing changes.
On the corporate side the numbers in McMenemys on a match day is dwiddling weekly. Why? Possibly because the same companies are asked to sponsor games each season, ones who have done so for years. What efforts have been made to try and get new sponsors on board, those connected to renewables for example? I arent saying we should be asking them to buy the club but get them to take a table or two for lunch, invite some of their contacts, as a bare minimum you are refreshing things and who knows what may become of such initiatives?

Then communicate with the supporters, tell us the issues we face, tell us where we sit budget wise, ask for ideas to increase the income, ask them openly to get to a game or two. Make an offer for buy 4 tickets for the price of 3 throughout Dec and Jan, market it as a Christmas gift idea, get kids in schools more involved, which school can sell the most tickets? Prize to the winning school of a full training session held with the school teams and Town players, get the girls involved more (girls section of a supporters club/an under 12's supporters club) There are enough people who love GTFC who could come up with better ideas than I. Brainstorm it, an initiative of the week prize? The one with the best scheme or idea gets free shirts/merchandise.

Income could be increased but it needs drive and enthusiasm the likes of which hasnt been near GTFC for decades

Sadly and frustratingly we all know nothing will change, the whole club is tired and repetitive, no new ideas, no communication just JF sat in his tower looking down on us all looking for the next person to blame, 'woe is me', they dont understand!
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Hard to argue with a lot of that Cloudy. Can see an argument for a change being good, but still needs to be a change to someone or something. I don't see a queue of volunteers, thats the issue. This would be a very different debate if we were picking between Fenty and an alternative. I maintain it has to be a change to someone/something with a high chance of being better, or at the very least no worse.

Its been great seeing MJ and the players out in the community, but no argument there is so much more that could be done. My suggestion, just get the ground full from the schools, colleges, scouts, brownies, local forces, etc . If we are going to have 3000 empty seats, get get 1000+ school kids/youths each with a family member to come for free for a couple of games. Then give them 1/2 price for a couple of games.

And for goodness sake, we are Grimsby of fish and chips fame, why aren't there fish and chip shops in each part of the ground. Who could resist the smell of decent haddock and chips as the smell wafted by.

It would really help to be be more approachable to the community and to fans willing able to help - someone on the board or employed by GTFC responding to a twitter account or a suggestions forum for example, permanently, not just a one off.

Similarly agree about the shop. I'd love to buy more stuff for me and the family, but there isn't much choice. That said, I guess its hard to offer lots of choice when there is a fairly limited market.
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Having looked at the question of why we haven't done any better on the pitch I thought it would be interesting to see how others have done who have also come up during the last five seasons.

Barnet - back into the National League

Grimsby, Cheltenham, Cambridge and Macclesfield currently occupying four out of the bottom six slots in Division Two.

Lincoln, Forest Green and Tranmere all appear to have a good chance of getting promoted this season.

Bristol Rovers and Luton currently in Division One.

Clearly, if a club is well run - or has the finances -  the impetus of carrying on the form that sees clubs getting promoted works for exactly half of those clubs, whilst the others are currently struggling. The disparity is enormous. Cambridge get reasonable attendances as do ourselves. Macclesfield. Cheltenham and Barnet struggle to reach 2,000 so their plight is perhaps easier to understand.

Had we held onto the squad that saw us come up I think most of us believe that we would now be at least mid table Division One. The fact that that team, and the management side of things were allowed to go was down to the direction of the Board, nobody else. Whatever they've done this year with extended contracts, and signing potentially good players for MJ, belies their earlier errors. We are where we are because of them, and the guy in charge, JF.


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Having looked at the question of why we haven't done any better on the pitch I thought it would be interesting to see how others have done who have also come up during the last five seasons.

Barnet - back into the National League

Grimsby, Cheltenham, Cambridge and Macclesfield currently occupying four out of the bottom six slots in Division Two.

Lincoln, Forest Green and Tranmere all appear to have a good chance of getting promoted this season.

Bristol Rovers and Luton currently in Division One.

Clearly, if a club is well run - or has the finances -  the impetus of carrying on the form that sees clubs getting promoted works for exactly half of those clubs, whilst the others are currently struggling. The disparity is enormous. Cambridge get reasonable attendances as do ourselves. Macclesfield. Cheltenham and Barnet struggle to reach 2,000 so their plight is perhaps easier to understand.

Had we held onto the squad that saw us come up I think most of us believe that we would now be at least mid table Division One
[b][/b]. The fact that that team, and the management side of things were allowed to go was down to the direction of the Board, nobody else. Whatever they've done this year with extended contracts, and signing potentially good players for MJ, belies their earlier errors. We are where we are because of them, and the guy in charge, JF.



REALLY???
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If we had a forward thinking board they would have capitalized on the feel good factor,

They would have given Hurst what was promised to him and he would have stayed,

We might have got another promotion or Wembley appearance and the gates would have gone up just like Lincolns have,

Hurst would have had more money to spend.

BUT

That did not happen did it ?

No one to blame apart from one man.


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We don't need anyone to splash the cash..


So why is every fornicator bitching and moaning that once again we have bought players on the cheap due to lack of funds and that Fenty hasn't put any money in lately

I think a huge cash investment would be a great start, we sure as hell will never raise enough money through attendances to sign anyone other than our current level of player



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As drbell  points out, I dont see us getting a wealthty local benefactor with the best interests in the club at heart, anytime soon.
To be frank I dont think we need one (it would be nice if a rich local was prepared to bank roll the club mind ) provided we set out our stall correctly.

With open dialogue I am convinced we can make a better fist of what we have at present. No money has been put into the club for years by Mr Fenty, day to day we do ok. Our debt to JSF is historic but, rightly or wrongly, gives him total and utter control over everything to do with our football club.
By and large we 'wash our face' financially so, if we arent getting investment what do we do?

We try much more harder to increase our income. At present the club are in a rut, have been for years. I received the clubshop christmas catalogue recently. They could have changed the date and sent out the one from 2002. Nothing changes.
On the corporate side the numbers in McMenemys on a match day is dwiddling weekly. Why? Possibly because the same companies are asked to sponsor games each season, ones who have done so for years. What efforts have been made to try and get new sponsors on board, those connected to renewables for example? I arent saying we should be asking them to buy the club but get them to take a table or two for lunch, invite some of their contacts, as a bare minimum you are refreshing things and who knows what may become of such initiatives?

Then communicate with the supporters, tell us the issues we face, tell us where we sit budget wise, ask for ideas to increase the income, ask them openly to get to a game or two. Make an offer for buy 4 tickets for the price of 3 throughout Dec and Jan, market it as a Christmas gift idea, get kids in schools more involved, which school can sell the most tickets? Prize to the winning school of a full training session held with the school teams and Town players, get the girls involved more (girls section of a supporters club/an under 12's supporters club) There are enough people who love GTFC who could come up with better ideas than I. Brainstorm it, an initiative of the week prize? The one with the best scheme or idea gets free shirts/merchandise.

Income could be increased but it needs drive and enthusiasm the likes of which hasnt been near GTFC for decades

Sadly and frustratingly we all know nothing will change, the whole club is tired and repetitive, no new ideas, no communication just JF sat in his tower looking down on us all looking for the next person to blame, 'woe is me', they dont understand!


There's a lot of sense in this post Cloudy but I feel it is flawed by several points of cold economic reality that make its sentiments a pipe dream. I agree that there is a very slim chance of a local wealthy benefactor and an even slimmer chance of an outside investor because who the heck would know that Fenty wants out outside the confines of BP and a diminishing fanbase?

Secondly, I don't think there's the will for any kind of local fan led organisation to carry out any of the laudable small improvements that you've set out in your posts. Apathy has already well and truly set in. It will be proven by the numbers we take to Mansfield tomorrow night and other home and away followings throughout the season.

Thirdly, even if a local fan led organisation did take over, without a substantial injection of cash, how much more could it realistically achieve than the status quo? Higher up in League Two? The odd promotion to League One every decade or so? I wouldn't even write off a drop into non-league again. Because, as the years go by, the clubs who already haven't had a significant benefactor will get one and one by one they will pass us however hard that fan led organisation works. This is the reality of modern day football and if we don't get with the program, whoever leads this club without significant investment will eventually lead it to a slow death.

I take no enjoyment in writing these words at all and it stinks that we're in an unfashionable part of the country with an unfashionable owner who won't openly put up the club for sale to a publicly wider audience than the three thousand diehards that are left. We have a fanbase who are generally inward looking although with very laudable ideals and even though the ideas you have written about come from a good place and carry a lot of credence, when I read them it seemed to me to be a list of futile efforts like pushing snow up a hill if measured against other clubs' advances over a long period of time.

If it were a fan led takeover to make the improvements you laid out to make the club more attractive for significant investment I'd buy into that. If a fan led group did the club's marketing for them to try and attract a benefactor from somewhere in the world I'd buy into that too. But long term, for our club to survive, compete and actually excite and engage the lost thousands across NE Lincs we've got to hold our breath and be prepared to accept that we need to take a massive step up sooner rather than later. Anything less and all that would be achieved would be a frittering around the edges while in the next five, ten or twenty years other clubs in our position will either pass us by on the way up or fall by the wayside along with us to make way for the Salfords of this world. It's alright a few diehards having a dream or two about fan led engagement but it would be a virtually impossible model to deliver in the real world in my opinion. Like I said,  I don't like what I'm writing but taking a macroeconomic view, I believe I'm being realistic about what needs to be done for our club to be anything significantly better than it is now in five, ten or twenty years time..
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Drbell-a collection of good posts- a refreshing change to find somebody putting some thought into "the debate" instead of posters spitting out hate at every opportunity.
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We all love to speculate on the clubs fortunes and there is some great advice on here, but sadly all the sound advice in the world means absolutely nothing until the owner leaves.

I am all for giving people second and third chances to put things right, to do things differently, to try new ideas. In reality, we have to come to the conclusion that the current owner is past redemption. There is nothing anybody can say or do, bar someone buying him out way over the odds.

This is the sickening part; we know deep down that we are stuck with an owner that, sadly, doesn't have the qualities needed to run a football league club to some success.

It is a shame, but we are where we are;  a lot of fans, me included are losing the will to keep propping him up much longer, and another relegation fight or even worse will mean a crisis bigger than all the others.

We are coming to the point where the fans will have to use their collective willpower to demand change regardless of what is happening on the pitch.
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REALLY???


Yes I think Paul Hurst said that team was not good enough for league football, apart from one or two notable exceptions.
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Drbell-a collection of good posts- a refreshing change to find somebody putting some thought into "the debate" instead of posters spitting out hate at every opportunity.


Hate? Seriously?

I see frustration, disappointment and apathy but hate?
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Hard to argue with a lot of that Cloudy. Can see an argument for a change being good, but still needs to be a change to someone or something. I don't see a queue of volunteers, thats the issue. This would be a very different debate if we were picking between Fenty and an alternative. I maintain it has to be a change to someone/something with a high chance of being better, or at the very least no worse.

Its been great seeing MJ and the players out in the community, but no argument there is so much more that could be done. My suggestion, just get the ground full from the schools, colleges, scouts, brownies, local forces, etc . If we are going to have 3000 empty seats, get get 1000+ school kids/youths each with a family member to come for free for a couple of games. Then give them 1/2 price for a couple of games.

And for goodness sake, we are Grimsby of fish and chips fame, why aren't there fish and chip shops in each part of the ground. Who could resist the smell of decent haddock and chips as the smell wafted by.

It would really help to be be more approachable to the community and to fans willing able to help - someone on the board or employed by GTFC responding to a twitter account or a suggestions forum for example, permanently, not just a one off.

Similarly agree about the shop. I'd love to buy more stuff for me and the family, but there isn't much choice. That said, I guess its hard to offer lots of choice when there is a fairly limited market.


There were reasons given for this not being viable when the question was asked at the fans forum. I think the frying oil going off between one game and the next was one of the reasons.

The same problems are seemingly overcome for those in the posh seats in McMenemy's, who can have as much fish and chips as they want. If you can afford it of course.
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Drbell-a collection of good posts- a refreshing change to find somebody putting some thought into "the debate" instead of posters spitting out hate at every opportunity.


Refresh the boardroom and let's start getting somewhere. That last sentence just described our current dismal board at the fans forum.


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So why is every fornicator bitching and moaning that once again we have bought players on the cheap due to lack of funds and that Fenty hasn't put any money in lately

I think a huge cash investment would be a great start, we sure as hell will never raise enough money through attendances to sign anyone other than our current level of player



Not everyone Swin.  A windfall with no strings and no debt would be fantastic but not likely. Some have pleaded for judicious loosening of the purse strings.

And why should I speak for people who have s different view from me? That’s what you seem to be asking.


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Who is the common denominator then? 16 years a director, most of them as major shareholder and/or chairman - three relegations which could have been four, even 5. He's been so thick-skinned over anything that remotely challenges his stranglehold that further outside investment would be futile. He has put himself in a position where no-one can even be bothered to challenge him & surrounded himself with a board of crusty old nodders.

No-one is going to change anything until he gets fed up with it - his plaything, vanity project or whatever you want to call it.


I would say the reality is that he is very thin-skinned - and this need to be right about everything (has he ever apologised for mistakes?), to be in control and to be loved is why so many have found him impossible to work with.

In terms of vanity project - someone on here described him as our own Donald Trump, I think they were alluding to Narcissism. Whilst I work sometimes with complex people, and it strikes me that his desire for Town to succeed is rather too closely linked for his own need to succeed, I've not encountered him closely enough to say.  That's for others to make a judgement on, interesting reading though:
https://www.psychologytoday.co.....personality-disorder

What I would say is that there doesn't seem room at the top for anyone else.  It's all terribly sad, I do think he loves town but experience suggests he also seems unable to work effectively with others he isn't completely in charge of.  

As he lacks the resources to bankroll the club properly he can only succeed via collaboration - so something has to change.  The best leaders are self-aware and do develop their style over time, but without this - I think we're stuck for the foreseeable.

Until then, the lack of success or even progress must be torture for him - alas, it's also torture for us.
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If that’s the choice Bigdog, and I don’t think for one minute it is, I’d still vote for a fan-owned club. If it’s just about doing well in the league/cup we may as well support Madrid.


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I would say the reality is that he is very thin-skinned - and this need to be right about everything (has he ever apologised for mistakes?), to be in control and to be loved is why so many have found him impossible to work with.

In terms of vanity project - someone on here described him as our own Donald Trump, I think they were alluding to Narcissism. Whilst I work sometimes with complex people, and it strikes me that his desire for Town to succeed is rather too closely linked for his own need to succeed, I've not encountered him closely enough to say.  That's for others to make a judgement on, interesting reading though:
https://www.psychologytoday.co.....personality-disorder

What I would say is that there doesn't seem room at the top for anyone else.  It's all terribly sad, I do think he loves town but experience suggests he also seems unable to work effectively with others he isn't completely in charge of.  

As he lacks the resources to bankroll the club properly he can only succeed via collaboration - so something has to change.  The best leaders are self-aware and do develop their style over time, but without this - I think we're stuck for the foreseeable.

Until then, the lack of success or even progress must be torture for him - alas, it's also torture for us.


Great post - I've worked with others who dogmatically refuse to share the limelight with colleagues and take even the slightest questioning very personally. As you say, it's sad that we have to suffer as much as he possibly does.
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I would say the reality is that he is very thin-skinned - and this need to be right about everything (has he ever apologised for mistakes?), to be in control and to be loved is why so many have found him impossible to work with.

In terms of vanity project - someone on here described him as our own Donald Trump, I think they were alluding to Narcissism. Whilst I work sometimes with complex people, and it strikes me that his desire for Town to succeed is rather too closely linked for his own need to succeed, I've not encountered him closely enough to say.  That's for others to make a judgement on, interesting reading though:
https://www.psychologytoday.co.....personality-disorder

What I would say is that there doesn't seem room at the top for anyone else.  It's all terribly sad, I do think he loves town but experience suggests he also seems unable to work effectively with others he isn't completely in charge of.  

As he lacks the resources to bankroll the club properly he can only succeed via collaboration - so something has to change.  The best leaders are self-aware and do develop their style over time, but without this - I think we're stuck for the foreseeable.

Until then, the lack of success or even progress must be torture for him - alas, it's also torture for us.


Excellent post is that if I might say.

This is why we are between a rock and hard place. He cannot, or will not understand that he doesn't have the necessary qualities - even in financial terms let alone everything else - to run a 21st Football League club.

Like you say its torture for all concerned but he will never step down unless something desperate happens. Even another relegation wouldn't do it I don't think.    
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If that’s the choice Bigdog, and I don’t think for one minute it is, I’d still vote for a fan-owned club. If it’s just about doing well in the league/cup we may as well support Madrid.


I respect your opinion mate, Cloudy's and others who have similar views too, just think we need something more radical. Stadium to pay for isn't going to come cheap and getting a few more through the gate isn't going to pay for it or what's looking likely, the lack of enabling developments to fund it. I dread to think where we're going to end up if we don't move from BP or get some significant investment in the near future. Finding a benefactor might be the only realistic card we can play if we want our club to be in the Football League in two, five, ten or twenty years time. I've got a gut feeling that we're rapidly running out of time while Rome burns. If you told anyone in the nineties that we would be a non-league club in the near future you'd have got laughed at. Really bad situations seem to just appear from nowhere, but even now we're experiencing too many warning signals that we can't ignore or do we just sit on our hands as a club and pray for football fortune with how we are set up at the present? I'm not sure I can stomach much more of this eternal struggle we're in, I've completely forgotten the feeling of being excited watching Town, it's becoming a really negative, painful and stressful experience. I'd welcome a wealthy investor with open arms, and with it at least some hope of a brighter future but understand fully why many wouldn't..
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I respect your opinion mate, Cloudy's and others who have similar views too, just think we need something more radical. Stadium to pay for isn't going to come cheap and getting a few more through the gate isn't going to pay for it or what's looking likely, the lack of enabling developments to fund it. I dread to think where we're going to end up if we don't move from BP or get some significant investment in the near future. Finding a benefactor might be the only realistic card we can play if we want our club to be in the Football League in two, five, ten or twenty years time. I've got a gut feeling that we're rapidly running out of time while Rome burns. If you told anyone in the nineties that we would be a non-league club in the near future you'd have got laughed at. Really bad situations seem to just appear from nowhere, but even now we're experiencing too many warning signals that we can't ignore or do we just sit on our hands as a club and pray for football fortune with how we are set up at the present? I'm not sure I can stomach much more of this eternal struggle we're in, I've completely forgotten the feeling of being excited watching Town, it's becoming a really negative, painful and stressful experience. I'd welcome a wealthy investor with open arms, and with it at least some hope of a brighter future but understand fully why many wouldn't..


I shudder at the thought that things might again get worse but putting bits & pieces of the last couple of years together, I really worry. The re-appointment of Slade, the fans forum, the off-piste interviews, the quotes from Paul Hurst when he left - and we're left with the tenuous hope that footballing fortune may return. The promise of Championship football in 5 years - it's a million miles away.
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As drbell  points out, I dont see us getting a wealthty local benefactor with the best interests in the club at heart, anytime soon.
To be frank I dont think we need one (it would be nice if a rich local was prepared to bank roll the club mind ) provided we set out our stall correctly.

With open dialogue I am convinced we can make a better fist of what we have at present. No money has been put into the club for years by Mr Fenty, day to day we do ok. Our debt to JSF is historic but, rightly or wrongly, gives him total and utter control over everything to do with our football club.
By and large we 'wash our face' financially so, if we arent getting investment what do we do?

We try much more harder to increase our income. At present the club are in a rut, have been for years. I received the clubshop christmas catalogue recently. They could have changed the date and sent out the one from 2002. Nothing changes.
On the corporate side the numbers in McMenemys on a match day is dwiddling weekly. Why? Possibly because the same companies are asked to sponsor games each season, ones who have done so for years. What efforts have been made to try and get new sponsors on board, those connected to renewables for example? I arent saying we should be asking them to buy the club but get them to take a table or two for lunch, invite some of their contacts, as a bare minimum you are refreshing things and who knows what may become of such initiatives?

Then communicate with the supporters, tell us the issues we face, tell us where we sit budget wise, ask for ideas to increase the income, ask them openly to get to a game or two. Make an offer for buy 4 tickets for the price of 3 throughout Dec and Jan, market it as a Christmas gift idea, get kids in schools more involved, which school can sell the most tickets? Prize to the winning school of a full training session held with the school teams and Town players, get the girls involved more (girls section of a supporters club/an under 12's supporters club) There are enough people who love GTFC who could come up with better ideas than I. Brainstorm it, an initiative of the week prize? The one with the best scheme or idea gets free shirts/merchandise.

Income could be increased but it needs drive and enthusiasm the likes of which hasnt been near GTFC for decades

Sadly and frustratingly we all know nothing will change, the whole club is tired and repetitive, no new ideas, no communication just JF sat in his tower looking down on us all looking for the next person to blame, 'woe is me', they dont understand!


This......

The football club have a very funny attitude to selling matchday tickets in my opinion? The roughly 6500 home seats for sale each game is actually only 3500 due to STH what do they do to sell the remainder? This should be any football clubs main priority aside from what goes on actually on the pitch. Year after year we ask what they are doing and year after year we get the same old tired sh1t dished out from those who are tasked and inevitably we see little or no increase in sales it`s shameful at best. That office needs a proper root and branch clear out and some much needed enthusiasm and drive bringing in and maybe just maybe would see fresh ideas being rewarded with gates in excess of 5k home fans.
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From what I can gather, JF is not involved in the day-to-day running of GTFC and makes decisions at Board Room level.

Other clubs in our division have shown they can achieve much with no investment and I suspect JF thinks this is something we can do too. The fact is, we can. But look at the clubs with both smaller fanbases and budgets than ourselves, what did they have? Strategy and vision and that is something we sadly do not.

I use Exeter as an example, largely fan owned and a budget and fanbase not too different from us and look at what they are doing. The stuff that comes out of that club in terms of marketing and brand perception in the local community far exceeds our own. What do they do? They mix it up a bit, things are constantly evolving.

But at GTFC it's the same stuff from the same from the same people and it has largely been that way for the past near two decades. NOTHING EVER FECKING CHANGES... The club is stale.

We've had the same shirt sponsor for 14 years and the same kit supplier for what looks like forever. I don't doubt for a second the club hasn't had better offers. Young's os obviously the safe bet on sponsors but will they fork out every year?  and Errea, they brand everyone is wearing and signs extremely long-term deals with. Why? It isn't the quality, so there must be something. The club will only ever change things when it has to when they've got no other choice but to do so. We constantly get on field shake-ups of staff but things remain the same... Maybe just maybe things need to change off it. I'm not just talking JF and talking everyone who doesn't kick a ball about or coach said people.

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From what I can gather, JF is not involved in the day-to-day running of GTFC and makes decisions at Board Room level.



Apart from when he's fixing the lights and ceiling.


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Thing is, we don't know who might come on board until he goes. Exeter have been quoted, similarly look at how Pompey have pulled themselves back from the abyss and are now leading Div 1. We know fine well nobody is going to come along and invest whilst JF and his benign loans are lurking behind every corner.

Who knows what local employer / entrepeneur might come along were he not there?Most fans of a certain vintage can remember the excitement generated by a team with a number of home grown products in the late 1970s, and I don't see why something like that could not be garnered again with local folk buying into the club.


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Dear John,
When the intercourse are you going to intercourse off please?


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From what I can gather, JF is not involved in the day-to-day running of GTFC and makes decisions at Board Room level.



If that's the case, as the majority shareholder and therefore defacto top man at the club, he needs to hold accountable the person who is doing the day-to-day running of the club because it's simply not good enough.  Some absolutely brilliant ideas in this thread coupled with examples of just how poorly run the club is.

For what it's worth I would be amazed if he's not involved in the day-to-day running of the club.  
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If that's the case, as the majority shareholder and therefore defacto top man at the club, he needs to hold accountable the person who is doing the day-to-day running of the club because it's simply not good enough.  Some absolutely brilliant ideas in this thread coupled with examples of just how poorly run the club is.

For what it's worth I would be amazed if he's not involved in the day-to-day running of the club.  


He has his own business(s) to run and 'council stuff' so I don't think he is. GTFC have a Chief Exec for that, who has been in the role for years. Like I said, sod all changes. No vision, no ideas. It's just so autonomous. People doing the same shite all the time because that's what they've always done. Jobs are never advertised at the club, just given to the office friends and family. My lad said to me a few months ago "I'd like to work at Grimsby Town dad". How do you tell an 11-year-old he has no chance because he doesn't have the right surname.? We have such a closed shop attitude inside the club and it's the club and the fans that suffer for the clubs lack of anything.

I pity the Trust, a group of people who do anything they can to help the club, but does the club respect them? Does it buggery.

Bottom line is, the club will never evolve while it has the same personnel off the field. That's not a criticism of anyone it's just sound business sense.
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I have to admit to not really knowing what happened with Mike Parker and the Mullens. Do we actually know what they were offering, and why they ended up not contributing?



This is the current shareholding position of the major shareholders from the club site so Mr Parker must have invested a significant amount and does some of Mr Fenty's shareholding come from when the Trust dropped their trousers, bent over and let him have his way.

J. Fenty (42.85%), M. Parker (21.98%) & Grimsby Town Supporters Trust (14.11%)
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Maybe a stupid idea, but is it worth contacting fan own clubs like Exeter, Wrexham etc to find out how they moved forward, and what's involved.


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Maybe a stupid idea, but is it worth contacting fan own clubs like Exeter, Wrexham etc to find out how they moved forward, and what's involved.


No, they probably only had to raise £100 to get control of their clubs



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No, they probably only had to raise £100 to get control of their clubs



Getting a majority of the shares wasn't the issue in either case. Paying off immediate debts was. Exeter managed to pay the most pressing by running a tight ship and galvanising the fanbase, and the less pressing debt was cleared with the FA Cup run they had when they took Man U to a replay.

Wrexham haven't had that luck yet so servicing the debt is a big drain on their budget.


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This is the current shareholding position of the major shareholders from the club site so Mr Parker must have invested a significant amount and does some of Mr Fenty's shareholding come from when the Trust dropped their trousers, bent over and let him have his way.

J. Fenty (42.85%), M. Parker (21.98%) & Grimsby Town Supporters Trust (14.11%)


Yes.

If you took off that £250,000, JF has only invested £725,000 in shares - most of his investment is in loans. Mike Parker invested £1m in shares (and gave half of it away).

Without that gift of shares to JF the percentages would have been:
JF - 32%; MP - 22%; GTST - 25%; Stadtler, Waldorf & the Invisible Man - Diddly Squat%


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Maybe a stupid idea, but is it worth contacting fan own clubs like Exeter, Wrexham etc to find out how they moved forward, and what's involved.


read up on a few of the supporter owned clubs and they were all in a different situation than ours, they were all on the verge of going out of business, we're not there yet...........YET


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Yes.

If you took off that £250,000, JF has only invested £725,000 in shares - most of his investment is in loans. Mike Parker invested £1m in shares (and gave half of it away).

Without that gift of shares to JF the percentages would have been:
JF - 32%; MP - 22%; GTST - 25%; Stadtler, Waldorf & the Invisible Man - Diddly Squat%


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Getting a majority of the shares wasn't the issue in either case. Paying off immediate debts was. Exeter managed to pay the most pressing by running a tight ship and galvanising the fanbase, and the less pressing debt was cleared with the FA Cup run they had when they took Man U to a replay.

Wrexham haven't had that luck yet so servicing the debt is a big drain on their budget.


Wrexham proudly announced about 2 or 3 years ago that they were debt free
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Wrexham proudly announced about 2 or 3 years ago that they were debt free


I must’ve missed that Cloudy. Good news for them. Hope they continue to build on that. Should mean they can spend more on the squad unless they’ve got major works to fund.


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I must’ve missed that Cloudy. Good news for them. Hope they continue to build on that. Should mean they can spend more on the squad unless they’ve got major works to fund.


https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/wrexham-fc-debt-free-back-8545328


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I must’ve missed that Cloudy. Good news for them. Hope they continue to build on that. Should mean they can spend more on the squad unless they’ve got major works to fund.


Their stadium is owned by the university who pay for all works on it as well as a lot of matchday expenses ie stewards and turnstile staff. That must give them a fairly substantial boost to their playing budget vs other clubs who have to pay for their facilities and staff.
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Their stadium is owned by the university who pay for all works on it as well as a lot of matchday expenses ie stewards and turnstile staff. That must give them a fairly substantial boost to their playing budget vs other clubs who have to pay for their facilities and staff.


There's a university in Wrexham?  


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There's a university in Wrexham?  


I think it's called Glyndwr University. Don't think it's very big, but got a fair few buildings around the football stadium. I think there's a load of astro pitches that they use for training sometimes too.

Not quite sure why this is a red cross situation, one of their directors told me this on a train to Wembley a few years back when we were on the same connection in Crewe.
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I thought, but ciuld be wrong, that the Wrexham Supporters Group took back the stadium ownership fron the Uni approx 2 /3 years ago with the Uni still owning the training ground???
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I thought, but ciuld be wrong, that the Wrexham Supporters Group took back the stadium ownership fron the Uni approx 2 /3 years ago with the Uni still owning the training ground???


Looks like you're partly correct. In August 2016, Wrexham were given a 99 year lease of the stadium to take "operational control", whatever that means. I don't know if that means they're paying all costs now, or the uni still contribute something.

However you look at it, it's a huge advantage to have somebody buy your stadium, run it for 5 years without you picking up the tab, then give it back to you for free.

Also seems like the university invested heavily in it during their ownership according to wikipedia
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On 19 May 2014, work began at the Racecourse,[8] this included; a new pitch and sprinkler system, changing rooms for players and officials. The medical and treatment facilities will also be upgraded, together with improved seating for disabled supporters, better floodlighting and removal of cambers at the ‘Kop’ end of the ground. The results mean the stadium has been reclassified to Category 3 level, meaning it will be able to host international football matches.
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I think it's called Glyndwr University. Don't think it's very big, but got a fair few buildings around the football stadium. I think there's a load of astro pitches that they use for training sometimes too.

Not quite sure why this is a red cross situation, one of their directors told me this on a train to Wembley a few years back when we were on the same connection in Crewe.


Me neither pp. There’s obviously a few 12 year old lurkers, or people with 12 year olds’ level of maturity. And not very bright 12 year olds either.

Why did the uni do that? What was in it for them I wonder.


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