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Anybody can come up with a list of down on their luck towns and in those towns you will find the highest concentrations of obesity, drugs, alcoholism, truancy, low school gradings, homelessness, crime ...... like it or not all those towns will have them and we cannot ignore ours when they are factually correct. But when the outside world only sees this downside of the area then it must affect everything and everyone, including the transfer game.

If companies were bribed and encouraged to invest and create long term employment prospects, that would be a great help. That is what Hull did.

If the council recognised that for 3 decades the most intelligent kids have left the area to go to grammar schools elsewhere and created a system in NEL to combat that, we might have the pool of well qualified school leavers we used to have. We might see graduates coming back home to work like we used to. That would help to bring higher paid jobs and create some spare cash in people’s pockets to get retail going again.

I agree with Lew, we must start showing the best of the area to the best advantage.  On its own that isn’t enough but it is a start.  Redevelopments must be publicised and in that the club has to do its bit. Burying the hatchet with the council and backing a new ground as part of a “new” Grimsby would be a  good beginning.


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Anybody can come up with a list of down on their luck towns and in those towns you will find the highest concentrations of obesity, drugs, alcoholism, truancy, low school gradings, homelessness, crime ...... like it or not all those towns will have them and we cannot ignore ours when they are factually correct. But when the outside world only sees this downside of the area then it must affect everything and everyone, including the transfer game.

If companies were bribed and encouraged to invest and create long term employment prospects, that would be a great help. That is what Hull did.

If the council recognised that for 3 decades the most intelligent kids have left the area to go to grammar schools elsewhere and created a system in NEL to combat that, we might have the pool of well qualified school leavers we used to have. We might see graduates coming back home to work like we used to. That would help to bring higher paid jobs and create some spare cash in people’s pockets to get retail going again.

I agree with Lew, we must start showing the best of the area to the best advantage.  On its own that isn’t enough but it is a start.  Redevelopments must be publicised and in that the club has to do its bit. Burying the hatchet with the council and backing a new ground as part of a “new” Grimsby would be a  good beginning.


This bit is absolutely key - if the GTFC board aren't prepared to work with NELC then they really need to consider their positions. It would make it look like self-interest is more important than (their own words) the financial future of the football club.
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This bit is absolutely key - if the GTFC board aren't prepared to work with NELC then they really need to consider their positions. It would make it look like self-interest is more important than (their own words) the financial future of the football club.


The silence from the GTFC board on how they intend moving us forward regarding the new stadium is deafening.



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If the council recognised that for 3 decades the most intelligent kids have left the area to go to grammar schools elsewhere and created a system in NEL to combat that, we might have the pool of well qualified school leavers we used to have. We might see graduates coming back home to work like we used to. That would help to bring higher paid jobs and create some spare cash in people’s pockets to get retail going again.


Not sure if you meant it this way but, are you saying if there were grammar schools in NEL, less bright kids would go to school elsewhere (Louth/Caistor?) and there would be more well-qualified school leavers in GY?


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Classic case of start with preconceived notion and select evidence to fit. Lazy study produces clickbait for even lazier media. Despite clear issues in the town, Grimsby has more going for it than many coastal towns.
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Anybody can come up with a list of down on their luck towns and in those towns you will find the highest concentrations of obesity, drugs, alcoholism, truancy, low school gradings, homelessness, crime ...... like it or not all those towns will have them and we cannot ignore ours when they are factually correct. But when the outside world only sees this downside of the area then it must affect everything and everyone, including the transfer game.

If companies were bribed and encouraged to invest and create long term employment prospects, that would be a great help. That is what Hull did.

If the council recognised that for 3 decades the most intelligent kids have left the area to go to grammar schools elsewhere and created a system in NEL to combat that, we might have the pool of well qualified school leavers we used to have. We might see graduates coming back home to work like we used to. That would help to bring higher paid jobs and create some spare cash in people’s pockets to get retail going again.

I agree with Lew, we must start showing the best of the area to the best advantage.  On its own that isn’t enough but it is a start.  Redevelopments must be publicised and in that the club has to do its bit. Burying the hatchet with the council and backing a new ground as part of a “new” Grimsby would be a  good beginning.


Can agree with some of that but a couple of points...there isn't to my knowledge a single school at primary or secondary level in NE Lincs that is under the control of the LA. The acedemy model gives schools virtual autonomy.
Secondly I'm attending a class of 69 Clee Grammar reunion on 17 November. The vast majority of the ex-pupils who will be attending probably haven't lived in this area since they left school 42 years ago. It has pretty much always been a fact of life that kids who left school here to go to university have found much better opportunities elsewhere as Grimsby has never had the diversity of jobs that other cities/towns have had.


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This bit is absolutely key - if the GTFC board aren't prepared to work with NELC then they really need to consider their positions. It would make it look like self-interest is more important than (their own words) the financial future of the football club.


I've pretty much kept out of this up to now but there is no evidence that I've seen that the club aren't prepared to work with NELC.
As much as I want to see a new ground I do not want it to be an acceptance of the first offer made. If, as I do, you accept that the reasons for moving are tied into ensuring that there is a chance of greater/different income streams which will allow us to compete better with teams at the top end of this division (and the one above) then I want the club to ensure that they do everything they can to make that happen. Otherwise we might as well stay at B.P. (which at least we do own)


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I've pretty much kept out of this up to now but there is no evidence that I've seen that the club aren't prepared to work with NELC.
As much as I want to see a new ground I do not want it to be an acceptance of the first offer made. If, as I do, you accept that the reasons for moving are tied into ensuring that there is a chance of greater/different income streams which will allow us to compete better with teams at the top end of this division (and the one above) then I want the club to ensure that they do everything they can to make that happen. Otherwise we might as well stay at B.P.


Whilst accepting what you say about income streams, I can't believe after all that's been said that the club can contemplate staying at BP. It's falling to bits and it doesn't seem logical to carry on throwing money at it. If I was good enough to be a professional footballer, I would be seriously put off at thought of playing my football at a run-down wreck of a ground.
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Grimsby is indeed the bottom end of the country.

The worst place in the country for high street takeaways, pawnbrokers. charity shops and betting shops outlining the fact we are the most poverty-stricken unhealthiest place in the UK.

All this will not help to attract players to Mike Jolley and GTFC.


Utter tosh....Adam Proudlock signed for that sole reason,  massive variety in cheese topped takeaways to spend his goal bonuses on....


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Selling clothing is football related so this should be fine...
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