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Some bile in this thread but nothing OTT for a footie forum.
In fairness he did well to get the Ipswich gig and there seems genuine upset amongst some of their fans that it didn't work out. Good to see a young manager get a Championship job instead of recycled failures - same logic for Jolley getting our job.
V disappointed that Hurst never maintained a genuine title challenge for us in the NLP - the points gap with the leaders in our promotion season was embarrassing. But for a needless challenge on Gowling in the Braintree box, Hurst could've presided over another play off failure. Glad Jolley has turned the corner to avoid Fenty considering a Hurst recall...
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That is a very simplistic way of looking at football achievements. Six years to get Grimsby out of the conference was ridiculous, and please don’t quote Luton, Oxford etc. This is Grimsby Town where he was manager and he needed pressure from outside with OP even then. Average at best. Not getting the sack is no yardstick of achieving success over that timescale.
I cannot ever remember a player mouthing off about a manager after he left Grimsby, even Bignot. And when you have the euphoria of promotion you are not going to say anything else but fantastic are you? But even if every player he managed thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, that is still no great measure of football management ability.
Hurst’s best asset is his realism and his caution. The latter is what he shows in his sides on the pitch, Rule One - any point is a good point even if we could have had three. His realism is in his own career. He recognised GTFC was not going to invest in what he wanted and there was a distinct danger of disillusion so he left. Shrewsbury was a great choice because it did not matter what happened. If they had been relegated no-one would blame him and the next year he would have a decent budget to get promotion. He saved them though so he was a messiah and then he got a good run of results with a group of players he knew plus some decent loan players. They were clear in the top two for much of the season before caution came in again and draws replaced wins. Funny thing is that if he lost here, Shrewsbury and Ipswich he publicly complained his team had not played a passing game and had reverted to the long ball.
Sorry to go on but though I bear him no animosity, Hurst is not a manager to excite the fans at any club. He Is a DOJATL manager at best.
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Very similar sort of split isn’t it? There were some on the Ipswich forums who thought he should have more time there but he did not have many supporters after last weekend.
I don’t know him personally but he has left a lot of fans at two clubs with a nasty taste as he left, which isn’t exactly clever. As they say, be nice to people on your way up because you never know when you might need them on your way down.
He left us and he left Shrewsbury because he knew the only way was down and neither club was ready to play at the next level. In effect he jumped before he could be pushed, only this time he has no safety net of achievements at Ipswich to fall back on when he applies for the next job.
As a manager he is distinctly average in my view. One of the Shrewsbury fans said how teams sussed them out later on during last season but he didn’t have a Plan B and he was always useless with subs wasn’t he?
Still I do not wish Hurst ill, he has to make a living in the game. I suspect he may have to do a bit of thinking about his ambitions now though because he will have to work his way up again ...... but there are quite a few clubs on tight budgets that will see Hurst as a good choice.
I know it's on a much smaller scale, but if I remember correctly there were also a few Boston fans who weren't particularly pleased with the manner of his departure to Town |
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Not many ‘average’ managers go the first 8-10 years of their careers without the sack.
IMO average managers do not get the sort of buy in from his squad that Hurst got in our last season in the Conference. Every player was totally supportive of him, knowing the personalities of pro footballers that is a fantastic achievement!
Underrated by many ‘fans’ but not it seems by the players he works with
Lets look at his record. most of those years were in non league, His strengths were getting his players believing in him and the system he wanted to play, His weaknesses were he could not connect with the fans, Once he got to a level above his capabilities the players did not believe in him or his tactics, He will be ok back in L2 or L1 but the championship was a step too far for him. If you look at his interviews he was always chewing a wasp at Grimsby, He had a big smile on his face at Shrewsbury, He started off with a smile at Ipswich but reverted back to his Grimsby way towards the end, I am sure like a lot of other managers at lower levels he will be in and out of work for a few years yet. Maybe he should give Slade a ring and ask" what do you do while unemployed." ? Dont fell sorry for him as he will be paid until he finds another job, The good thing about having a 3 year contract is he will not have to take the first job on offer, He can bide his time until the right postion becomes available. |
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He's a good manager, certainly not brilliant, but good.
Those complaining that he took so long to get us promoted shouldn't forget that we were being greatly outspent by a number of clubs during each of those years. Money talks more than anything else in football these days and you only need to see the revolving door at some of the high-spending Conference clubs to see how many other experienced managers struggle even with the funds to spend.
A better manager might have got us up a couple of seasons earlier (and we deserved it the season we lost the play-off final because of the referee), but you don't get many such managers at the lower levels of the game.
After us, he got Shrewsbury punching above their weight and mounted a promotion challenge but Ipswich was a step too far. League One is probably the level at which money just about stops being the be all and end all of building a team. The Championship is where money talks more than anywhere else but the Prem and Hurst obviously wasn't able to get the players needed to do the job there. Sounds as though they have been trying to do it on the cheap just a bit too much.
I don't doubt he'll be back in employment in one of the bottom two divisions before too long. My guess is with a League One struggler so you can see why Bradford have been mentioned. Pretty close to his neck of the woods and his record a Shrewsbury will attract the attention of any chairman with a struggling team.
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I think league 1 is the highest he will go. Next job will no doubt be with one of the struggling teams at the bottom of the division - after what he did with the Shrews.
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He was happy at Shrews because he delivered beyond their expectations, something he never really achieved with us, but when Ipswich came calling with a 3 year contract he wasn't exactly going to turn them down. Although he divided opinion with us, he still got us back into the League and for that we should be thankful, whether we liked his rather one-dimensional football or not.
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Honestly Iam surprised at his sacking
Thought he would of lasted longer
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Some bile in this thread but nothing OTT for a footie forum.
In fairness he did well to get the Ipswich gig and there seems genuine upset amongst some of their fans that it didn't work out. Good to see a young manager get a Championship job instead of recycled failures - same logic for Jolley getting our job.
V disappointed that Hurst never maintained a genuine title challenge for us in the NLP - the points gap with the leaders in our promotion season was embarrassing. But for a needless challenge on Gowling in the Braintree box, Hurst could've presided over another play off failure. Glad Jolley has turned the corner to avoid Fenty considering a Hurst recall...
No way would Hurst have returned here but your point about trying an up and coming new man is a very valid one. Who would have gambled that the Cowleys would have been so successful at Lincoln? Not only have they been a success they have managed to attract full houses every home game and absolutely smash the imp season ticket sales. If that ain't good business what is?? |
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I think you could see that the Cowleys would be likely to do well in the Conference at least. They almost managed to get Braintree to the play-off final so could obviously organise a team well. At Lincoln, they signed some decent players and, of course, the Cup run set them up well financially and attracted more money to the club so they've continued to spend.
Would they be able to continue this at a higher division club? Remains to be seen, though you'd think the referees higher up might be a bit more aware of or at least be willing to deal with the gamesmanship they instil into their teams.
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