More Investment At Lincoln

I think that makes it around seventeen new investors in the past two years. Bet it's a nightmare down there having to discuss and agree on so many new ideas and plans for the future and also having to agree on what to spend the cash on..

Thank god we haven't got that sort of nonsense up here at BP..

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Quoted from Bigdog

I think that makes it around seventeen new investors in the past two years. Bet it's a nightmare down there having to discuss and agree on so many new ideas and plans for the future and also having to agree what to spend the cash on..

Thank god we haven't got that sort of nonsense up here at BP..

https://www.lincolnshirelive.c.....tm_campaign=sharebar

Ah but, no one wants to invest in an unfashionable club like Lincoln Grimsby.

If Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Darth Vader, Nigel Farage, Cinderella’s step mum, an assortment of upturned plugs on a darkened landing floor when you’re awake at 3 in the morning needing the bog and Mrs Brown joined to form a consortium to buy our board out I’d bite their hands off.

Quoted from LH

If Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Saddam Hussein, Darth Vader, Nigel Farage, Cinderella’s step mum, an assortment of upturned plugs on a darkened landing floor when you’re awake at 3 in the morning needing the bog and Mrs Brown joined to form a consortium to buy our board out I’d bite their hands off.

Putting Darth Vader in charge of PR would be a massive improvement imo....

Money builds momentum momentum builds money.

Clearly Clive Nates has his own cash but more importantly he has something the Gang of Four don’t have - ambition. In my view if you choose to sit at the top table (and it was their choice) you can be forgiven for not having one but get all you deserve for not having the other.

The “custodians” of GTFC need to look up the word regression...... now I better “shut up”.

I hope this gets brought up at the next fans forum, our director's best efforts to bring in investment appears to be looking through their LinkedIn contact list.

Quoted from Bigdog

I think that makes it around seventeen new investors in the past two years. Bet it's a nightmare down there having to discuss and agree on so many new ideas and plans for the future and also having to agree on what to spend the cash on..

Thank god we haven't got that sort of nonsense up here at BP..

https://www.lincolnshirelive.c.....tm_campaign=sharebar

It all sounds too good to be true at the moment at Lincoln, I wonder if these investors will stick around when the Cowley's move on and things aren't going so well.

We struggled to bring in investment until Clive came in before the success happened.

Quoted from promotion plaice

It all sounds too good to be true at the moment at Lincoln, I wonder if these investors will stick around when the Cowley's move on and things aren't going so well.

Everything we do financially is so we aren't dependent on the Cowley's.
If and when they leave we will be picking managers from a better pot.

It is surprising though that 40 miles away you can't get investment and we can, do you all genuinely think it just down to Fenty..

Didn't he say that Grimsby were a bigger club than Lincoln, I'd like to know what he thinks to that now? Our crowds have been consistent for 3 years now. Despite the banter if Grimsby were  successful at the moment our games would be the best derby in the lower leagues.

Quoted from Helgy

We struggled to bring in investment until Clive came in before the success happened.

It’s a easy sell trying to get investment when top of the league BUT can the Cowleys get you to the championship ? For me the answer is no , not because of failure more because I think they will get offered big money down south and go

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Everything we do financially is so we aren't dependent on the Cowley's.
If and when they leave we will be picking managers from a better pot.

It is surprising though that 40 miles away you can't get investment and we can, do you all genuinely think it just down to Fenty..

Didn't he say that Grimsby were a bigger club than Lincoln, I'd like to know what he thinks to that now? Our crowds have been consistent for 3 years now. Despite the banter if Grimsby were  successful at the moment our games would be the best derby in the lower leagues.

Fully accept you’ll be picking managers from a more expensive pot but that guarantees zilch

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Fully accept you’ll be picking managers from a more expensive pot but that guarantees zilch

I agree but I suppose it makes it less of a risk. Hopefully having moved their family here and having houses built they will be here for a while yet.
I'm just pleased we have Clive, and the infrastructure is now better - It looks like we will be extending SB now, so that is good in a lot of the fans eyes.

It doesn't make it less of a risk.  It's probably higher risk.

In the doldrums of non-league when you sacked that bloke as manager who basically bought the role, you could afford to take the risk on the Cowley's in the hope they could make the step-up from Braintree to a professional outfit.  If it hadn't worked out you would have had a release in their contract, you wouldn't have invested heavily in their infrastructure ideas or their playing staff.  The dud players will have been on lower and shorter contracts so you could wipe the slate clean much quicker.

If/When the Cowley's go you'll quite rightly be picking from a better pool of options.  But you won't be appointing someone on a rolling 6-month contract on a low wage who will be happy to sign players on one-year deals.  Your next manager will be someone who commands a a long-term contract for not only him but also his staff.  He'll be bringing in higher earning players on longer contracts.  If it goes wrong with a new guy, which it quite easily could do, you're lumbered with the burden of playing him and his staff off but also stuck with the players he's brought in.

We've been there, quite recently in fact.  Most of us thought when Hurst left  we would be evolving to the next level with our next appointment.  We made two abysmal appointments and have had to wipe the slate clean again.  

Can only look on in envy at the level of investment that Lincoln are able to attract at the minute.  But the below just sums up why they've got investment, why they're sat at the top of the league, why they've got sell out gates and we're taking another two steps back every five minutes.

"There isn’t one group or one person controlling this club and that’s why we’re able to bring in these other people, whether it’s David Lowes or these four new investors.

“And we’re open to more people coming in and joining this journey.”

Are the new Lincoln investors buying shares or are they loans?
What return are they expecting or are they just making donations because of their love of the Imps?

Quoted from Cloudy

Are the new Lincoln investors buying shares or are they loans?
What return are they expecting or are they just making donations because of their love of the Imps?

I did wonder the same thing.  If Sincil Bank is to be redeveloped, that doesn't really open up any avenue to sell land/build houses etc.  Equally so I can't really see Lincoln getting to the stage of success where they can be sold for an absolute fortune.  

Maybe, just maybe, the guys who are in charge are doing a really good job and selling the product to investors just like they're selling it to their fans.  I mean, we treat potential investment with the same level of respect that we treat our fanbase so would it be that daft to suggest that Lincoln have simply done the same?

Quoted from Cloudy

Are the new Lincoln investors buying shares or are they loans?
What return are they expecting or are they just making donations because of their love of the Imps?

As far as I know there are no loans involved and the new investors don't expect to get anything back in return apart from investing in the football club. At present it's a six figure fee but Clive Nates is hoping they fall in love with the club and will then want to invest more and possibly even add further investors.

The Cowleys are obviously a major cog in our recent success, however CN has been the defining catalyst to this. When Danny and Nicky do go I think the infrastructure will be in place to hopefully continue moving the club forward, though like any football business, nothing is guaranteed.

As I said before, we were down with the dead men sleepwalking to oblivion in the NL, so if we can turn things around on and off the pitch, so can you.

Quoted from Impish2

As far as I know there are no loans involved and the new investors don't expect to get anything back in return apart from investing in the football club. At present it's a six figure fee but Clive Nates is hoping they fall in love with the club and will then want to invest more and possibly even add further investors.

The Cowleys are obviously a major cog in our recent success, however CN has been the defining catalyst to this. When Danny and Nicky do go I think the infrastructure will be in place to hopefully continue moving the club forward, though like any football business, nothing is guaranteed.

As I said before, we were down with the dead men sleepwalking to oblivion in the NL, so if we can turn things around on and off the pitch, so can you.

Thanks for that.

The term 'investors' is not correct then? Seems they are just donating?

Quoted from Cloudy

Thanks for that.

The term 'investors' is not correct then? Seems they are just donating?

Yes they are just donations, I don't think anyone expects to make cash from a Football club do they. Clive seems a very good chairman and appears very driven.
Obviously our success won't last for ever but by getting the infrastructure in place, I would hope we can establish ourselves as a division 1 club.I saw that top end league 1 budgets are 6 million so we have some way to go yet..

Quoted from diehardmariner

It doesn't make it less of a risk.  It's probably higher risk.

In the doldrums of non-league when you sacked that bloke as manager who basically bought the role, you could afford to take the risk on the Cowley's in the hope they could make the step-up from Braintree to a professional outfit.  If it hadn't worked out you would have had a release in their contract, you wouldn't have invested heavily in their infrastructure ideas or their playing staff.  The dud players will have been on lower and shorter contracts so you could wipe the slate clean much quicker.

If/When the Cowley's go you'll quite rightly be picking from a better pool of options.  But you won't be appointing someone on a rolling 6-month contract on a low wage who will be happy to sign players on one-year deals.  Your next manager will be someone who commands a a long-term contract for not only him but also his staff.  He'll be bringing in higher earning players on longer contracts.  If it goes wrong with a new guy, which it quite easily could do, you're lumbered with the burden of playing him and his staff off but also stuck with the players he's brought in.

We've been there, quite recently in fact.  Most of us thought when Hurst left  we would be evolving to the next level with our next appointment.  We made two abysmal appointments and have had to wipe the slate clean again.  

Can only look on in envy at the level of investment that Lincoln are able to attract at the minute.  But the below just sums up why they've got investment, why they're sat at the top of the league, why they've got sell out gates and we're taking another two steps back every five minutes.

"There isn’t one group or one person controlling this club and that’s why we’re able to bring in these other people, whether it’s David Lowes or these four new investors.

“And we’re open to more people coming in and joining this journey.”

Whilst I sort of see the similarities with Hurts leaving - I think we are better placed, crowds/Finances than you were when Hurst left. But I suppose the main difference is your chairman.

Quoted from 137

Putting Darth Vader in charge of PR would be a massive improvement imo....

Even Gerald Ratner would be an improvement at the moment  

Quoted from Cloudy

Are the new Lincoln investors buying shares or are they loans?
What return are they expecting or are they just making donations because of their love of the Imps?

I'm fairly sure they are investing by way of buying shares..

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Whilst I sort of see the similarities with Hurts leaving - I think we are better placed, crowds/Finances than you were when Hurst left. But I suppose the main difference is your chairman.

There's no doubting that.  But it doesn't guarantee a decent appointment.

Great stuff for Lincoln. I am pleased for them; it just shows what our esteemed leader says is a load of old codswallop.

Lincoln is historically a small club - by most (all) markers smaller than GTFC but they have made good decisions, involved the right people and are clearly going in the right direction.

Even a small club which is well run can have great success, but we sadly have the worst of all worlds with an ego-driven owner who cannot attract anybody to invest, and the natural consequence of that is stagnation.

Quoted from diehardmariner

There's no doubting that.  But it doesn't guarantee a decent appointment.

Of course not, think that counts at any level. I don't know, but I would imagine they would promote from within.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Great stuff for Lincoln. I am pleased for them; it just shows what our esteemed leader says is a load of old codswallop.

Lincoln is historically a small club - by most (all) markers smaller than GTFC but they have made good decisions, involved the right people and are clearly going in the right direction.

Even a small club which is well run can have great success, but we sadly have the worst of all worlds with an ego-driven owner who cannot attract anybody to invest, and the natural consequence of that is stagnation.

Do you think he spurns investment?

I am genuinely envious of Lincoln for the first time ever. In many ways it’s irrelevant debating whether or not they stick with the Cowleys when the going eventually gets tough as Lincoln will be such an attractive proposition to any manager that they’ll have a huge pool of talent to choose from. Contrast that to us, when Jolley goes we’ll have the usual pool of journeymen who are past it and all the young unknowns. When we were actually half-attractive (when Hursty left) we blew it by appointing that fruitloop Bignot. Then we were on the up, had some good players, were near the top of the table and the club and fans were in decent harmony. We blew that opportunity and now look at us, we must be one of the most “no way Pedro” clubs in the league!

Quoted from Impish2

the new investors don't expect to get anything back in return apart from investing in the football club.

LOL!

Mental.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Do you think he spurns investment?

I am sure he would welcome investment - on his terms!

I think the die is cast and his method of working and running the club is not attractive to other possible investors, despite us being one of the bigger league 2 clubs.

Someone pass me a sharp pin, my jealousy makes me want to burst their bubble.....as I wipe a tear from eye, swallow past a lump in my throat, I hear myself saying...
"Why on earth do we not have a board like theirs, a chairman who's proactive, not reactive and recognises that when the tide is turning things look brighter, who's riding the crest of a wave and making hay while the sun is shining"....
Instead, we've got he who's name I will not mention, who couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel and thinks changing a light bulb in a floodlight is his way of doing something right for the club....
Time for change.....but who will ever, ever invest into the sh!tshow that is currently GTFCs board!!!

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

It is surprising though that 40 miles away you can't get investment and we can, do you all genuinely think it just down to Fenty..

Er, yes it is.

Said it before & no doubt will say it again. It doesn’t all come down to the board and expecting people to blindly chuck good money after bad.

A lot of Lincoln’s success has come from having staff - in particular a Cheif Exec - that know what they’re doing. Fresh ideas, happy to embrace change, working with fans.

What we have is a bunch of yes men who have been in the office for decades, never had to worry about their job even when they should have been sacked multiple times (hi Nick Dale) who are holding the club back.

Does it come down to Fenty to employ these people? Yes, ultimately. But he’s not the only problem.

In the end it's down to a regime that inserted themselves into the club and will never sell because that means they won't be able to stick around. Fenty won't sell unless he remains in the chair and his friends don't want him to sell because they would be replaced because of the poor job they've done for years.

The biggest problem is there is no real drive to get them to leave from the fans. The occasional moaning on here or calls of "FENTY OUT" at games but the only time change came was when fans voted with their wallets and felt so strongly about change that they were willing to do what it takes. Apathy is fine in Grimsby because it's easier to begrudgingly buy a season ticket and turn up for every game than give up your weekend hobby for a while to show you aren't happy.

"We don't support the board, we support the team!" you'll cry to justify your apathy and turning up to watch the club crumble. It amazes me that people feel more strongly about including under 23's teams in competitive cups than they do about change at the club. Why do you vote with your wallet then but not when it really matters? In the end it'll fall on deaf ears and you'll keep funding the rot as you have for a couple of decades now. Nothing will change as long as they are able to keep the club running and themselves in their cushy positions. I guess you're also fine with it so long as you have your seats to go do your hobby too.

Change for Grimsby will only come when those lot are forced to sell up and get lost.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I hope this gets brought up at the next fans forum, our director's best efforts to bring in investment appears to be looking through their LinkedIn contact list.

Very good, or their Tripadviser ratings.  

I would be interested what your chairman said regarding how others attract investment., Obviously I am biased about our good City, but come on , most have been to Mansfield - How do they attract the Radfords and other cash?!

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Whilst I sort of see the similarities with Hurts leaving - I think we are better placed, crowds/Finances than you were when Hurst left. But I suppose the main difference is your chairman.

What chairman? It's such a sh!tshow we haven't got one.

On a Monday & Tuesday, he's 'director', Wednesday and Thursday 'the major shareholder' and becomes 'custodian' at the weekend.

Quoted from ska face

Said it before & no doubt will say it again. It doesn’t all come down to the board and expecting people to blindly chuck good money after bad.

A lot of Lincoln’s success has come from having staff - in particular a Cheif Exec - that know what they’re doing. Fresh ideas, happy to embrace change, working with fans.

What we have is a bunch of yes men who have been in the office for decades, never had to worry about their job even when they should have been sacked multiple times (hi Nick Dale) who are holding the club back.

Does it come down to Fenty to employ these people? Yes, ultimately. But he’s not the only problem.

What's the saying - a fish rots from the head down? Rather apt in our case of course, but unless the head is removed the rest will continue to rot (Iv'e just made that up but you get my drift.)

I do agree there is so much wrong, and people in positions that don't seem to have any go in them, but I am guessing they all feel shackled by Fentyism the same as most fans.

I did hear a rumour from a few lincoln fans last night that once the red arrows are moved from scampton they are goin to make the raf an offer for the land for the new stadium probably no a bad move for them really considering there new training  ground is smack opposite raf scampton and the academy is based 50 yards down the road at riseholme college , as much as we moan about them ,they have some ambition over there and good luck to them I’m only Intrested in gtfc

Quoted from Elgringo87

I did hear a rumour from a few lincoln fans last night that once the red arrows are moved from scampton they are goin to make the raf an offer for the land for the new stadium probably no a bad move for them really considering there new training  ground is smack opposite raf scampton and the academy is based 50 yards down the road at riseholme college , as much as we moan about them ,they have some ambition over there and good luck to them I’m only Intrested in gtfc

FFS, thats all we need...using Scampton as a re-location the current air raid siren will be ten times louder there and they could incorporate the landing lights into the pitch to light the way to the corner flag

Quoted from MuddyWaters

On a Monday & Tuesday, he's 'director', Wednesday and Thursday 'the major shareholder' and becomes 'custodian' at the weekend.

Craig David ?  must be the 12" version as i cant remember that verse on the radio edit ..


we were making love by ..  

Quoted from Impish2

As far as I know there are no loans involved and the new investors don't expect to get anything back in return apart from investing in the football club. At present it's a six figure fee but Clive Nates is hoping they fall in love with the club and will then want to invest more and possibly even add further investors.

The Cowleys are obviously a major cog in our recent success, however CN has been the defining catalyst to this. When Danny and Nicky do go I think the infrastructure will be in place to hopefully continue moving the club forward, though like any football business, nothing is guaranteed.

As I said before, we were down with the dead men sleepwalking to oblivion in the NL, so if we can turn things around on and off the pitch, so can you.

Was at the club a lot in the last 2 seasons in the conference especially the championship season , a plan was put in place think that was around when Moyses first started and acted on.
There was a tick list Gary Charles court case ,co-op had been taken over by the yanks and became very hostile but as all football clubs have good media access they soon pleaded for Lincoln to ease off the media coverage then we sorted out that debt with the co-op that  meant Clive could join and that was a massive influence changing things & that was the catalyst that moved us further along & now all the old directors have left with all our thanks.
The chairman and vice chairman are a good mix and that's important also.
Looking like our Trust will also be reborn & that's also important after it was left to rot for years.
So exiting times ahead.

Quoted from moosey_club

we were making love by ..  

The snooker table ??

Lincoln are attracting mone money and planning for the long-term.  Playing wise, they are likely to leave us behind, as they are already doing this season.

We are stagnant.  No new investment.  No leadership or ideas.  We even turned a fans forum into an amateur night bun-fight.

The ego needs to sever ties with the club.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Lincoln are attracting mone money and planning for the long-term.  Playing wise, they are likely to leave us behind, as they are already doing this season.

We are stagnant.  No new investment.  No leadership or ideas.  We even turned a fans forum into an amateur night bun-fight.

The ego needs to sever ties with the club.

Looking back that fans forum was the weirdest thing I have ever seen from a business.

What possessed them to conduct themselves like that in public, whilst live on radio and being recorded for posterity defies any sort of logic, acumen or class.

I am convinced it would have had a negative effect on our ability to attract good people, and made us a laughing stock of local, if not national football.

Aye, any potential investor would be put off by witnessing a majority shareholder putting cheap point scoring exercises at the top of his importance list.

I am sure MJ knows a lot of investors and they are waiting for 2 things to happen before they invest

1.  We have a bit of success , MJ is working on that,

2. A certain person or persons goes away  never to be heard of again.



This is my view and my view only nobody tells me anything.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Lincoln are attracting mone money and planning for the long-term.  Playing wise, they are likely to leave us behind, as they are already doing this season.

We are stagnant.  No new investment.  No leadership or ideas.  We even turned a fans forum into an amateur night bun-fight.

The ego needs to sever ties with the club.

Instead of waggling them

Quoted from moosey_club

Craig David ?  must be the 12" version as i cant remember that verse on the radio edit ..


we were making love by ..  

It was the 'post watershed' edit - also included a verse about nude paintings and turtle necks.

I'd say it multiple things.  But another to consider lack of investment is how well the town is doing.  Lincoln as in the City is in boom or what I see everyday anyway, where as Town is dying.... Is it a coincidence, maybe, but there is no one to invest from within the town.  Still nothing wrong in looking for outside investment.  Maybe they haven't got the business skillet I don't know but I'd be having a word with youngs seafood to use there contacts to help search for investers.  Probably a bit cheeky 😝

Quoted from Meza

I'd say it multiple things.  But another to consider lack of investment is how well the town is doing.  Lincoln as in the City is in boom or what I see everyday anyway, where as Town is dying.... Is it a coincidence, maybe, but there is no one to invest from within the town.  Still nothing wrong in looking for outside investment.  Maybe they haven't got the business skillet I don't know but I'd be having a word with youngs seafood to use there contacts to help search for investers.  Probably a bit cheeky 😝

Wasn't Mike Parker at Youngs?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Wasn't Mike Parker at Youngs?

He was.

Isn’t Young’s for sale again?

There are companies with involvement and ties to Grimsby and I still cling to the hope of major regeneration, new investment in the Town with renewables at the fore, and just perhaps a little interest in the football club?

Quoted from Mariner_09

I am genuinely envious of Lincoln for the first time ever. In many ways it’s irrelevant debating whether or not they stick with the Cowleys when the going eventually gets tough as Lincoln will be such an attractive proposition to any manager that they’ll have a huge pool of talent to choose from. Contrast that to us, when Jolley goes we’ll have the usual pool of journeymen who are past it and all the young unknowns. When we were actually half-attractive (when Hursty left) we blew it by appointing that fruitloop Bignot. Then we were on the up, had some good players, were near the top of the table and the club and fans were in decent harmony. We blew that opportunity and now look at us, we must be one of the most “no way Pedro” clubs in the league!

We blew it before Hurst left

And spunked away the Bogle money too!

Quoted from Elgringo87

I did hear a rumour from a few lincoln fans last night that once the red arrows are moved from scampton they are goin to make the raf an offer for the land for the new stadium probably no a bad move for them really considering there new training  ground is smack opposite raf scampton and the academy is based 50 yards down the road at riseholme college , as much as we moan about them ,they have some ambition over there and good luck to them I’m only Intrested in gtfc

Looking like the only two options are to move to the new Skewridge Western Growth corridor site or to stay and try to redevelop SB. Bob was more in favour of moving but since the new chairman and board have had more of a look at things we might still stay where we are. Either will mean an inner city ground though and that seems to be the favoured plan rather than about of town new build. Most fans would rather stay put tbh.

Not living in Grimsby/Cleethorpes so don't know all the ins and outs of what's happening but my suggestions to bring investment into the area would be, get the tech col( or what ever it's called) to become affiliated to a university, either Hull  or Lincoln, this brings students into the area to live and spend, the other is to make the port the hub of the renewable industry.

The renewables Dong energy invest in Clee Town.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Not living in Grimsby/Cleethorpes so don't know all the ins and outs of what's happening but my suggestions to bring investment into the area would be, get the tech col( or what ever it's called) to become affiliated to a university, either Hull  or Lincoln, this brings students into the area to live and spend, the other is to make the port the hub of the renewable industry.

That is so 1990s.

The other thing will just mean a few well off Danes and a few ex-fishermen. Wait, they're all too old now, so a few more Danes or maybe a few Spaniards.