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KingstonMariner
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Agree that I for one dont want Fenty increasing his loans in any shape or form BUT I maintain that with proper engagement with the community the budget could be bigger, much bigger.

The fact is there is no encouragement for season ticket purchases, no genuine attempt to involve the business community, no clear plan to get buy-in from all elements of the community.

There are ways of increasing income other than Mr Fenty lending the club money


This in spades. Just look at the season ticket marketing campaign right after we'd got our first promotion in 18 years, on the back of the feel good factor of Op Promo.

What ST marketing campaign I hear you ask. Precisely.

Instead the club was happy to rest on its laurels of having the best ST sales for some years, and not make a bloody effort to do better.


Instead of cod we eat had-dock
We’ll buy it fresh from Grimsby dock
My sister wears her nunty frock
For MichaelJolley in glory
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This in spades. Just look at the season ticket marketing campaign right after we'd got our first promotion in 18 years, on the back of the feel good factor of Op Promo.

What ST marketing campaign I hear you ask. Precisely.

Instead the club was happy to rest on its laurels of having the best ST sales for some years, and not make a bloody effort to do better.


That lack of effort from GTFC is precisely why we struggle to make any progress off the field.The it will do attitude
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If there was a "marketing campaign " who's job would this be or don't we have designated posts. Do people do what they want or is everything willy nilly. Do we have media chief.personnel boss, maintenance gaffer,pitch repairer,Upper Findus side repairer,bog cleaner organiser,security head,police co-ordinator. Do we need someone to co-ordinate these things because an awful lot isn't getting done.Are there any courses available because something is needed to look after the fans a bit better.
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When the Cowleys came in they revolutionised the place, they had a presentation of what was expected of the staff/everyone.
The Cowley way with bullet points it was an interesting read.
The staff then had to up their performance like the playing staff.
Spent the last 2 seasons in the conference at the club a fair bit so was able to see it all,
It was an amazing time.
It the whole ethos that would need changing old attitudes need to go ,there would need to be a total engagement with the local schools that connection is very important ,the kids need to support their local team not a prem team.

Fenty why does he still hold on if he wants out that suggests he wants to stay really , he needs to up his game the PR is a disaster.
The blame game is incredible instead of holding up his hand blame is deflected around.
That only makes things look worse.
Don't have that at Lincoln its you make a mistake its admitted and you move on.

The only thing holding things back is a reluctance to change.

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Thing is Helgy, you had a completely clean sweep. New board, new investment AND new management. In Old Bob you had someone who wanted the best for his club, someone who knew he'd at least helped the club through its lean times and was now ready to step back and let a new regime do its thing.

I don't need to point out that we most certainly don't have that situation as you point it out yourself. I don't know what it will take for change at GTFC but I suspect the club may be in its death throes before any significant change at board level is made.


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Quoted from Helgy
When the Cowleys came in they revolutionised the place, they had a presentation of what was expected of the staff/everyone.
The Cowley way with bullet points it was an interesting read.
The staff then had to up their performance like the playing staff.
Spent the last 2 seasons in the conference at the club a fair bit so was able to see it all,
It was an amazing time.
It the whole ethos that would need changing old attitudes need to go ,there would need to be a total engagement with the local schools that connection is very important ,the kids need to support their local team not a prem team.

Fenty why does he still hold on if he wants out that suggests he wants to stay really , he needs to up his game the PR is a disaster.
The blame game is incredible instead of holding up his hand blame is deflected around.
That only makes things look worse.
Don't have that at Lincoln its you make a mistake its admitted and you move on.

The only thing holding things back is a reluctance to change.


What’s holding the club back is the benign loans no one will take the club on while their hanging over the clubs head , so forget change well for now anyway.  
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The only thing holding things back is a reluctance to change.



We dont have a reluctance to change more a determination not to change & that is THE biggest issue!
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Robocod at the start when they came in we didn’t have all the investment we have now.
We had Clive and that helped his knowledge & investment getting them in.
They connected to the local population big time and that’s key.
Later on the success & Clives contacts came on board.
Cowleys are not like any other manager we have had.
It’s important the connection between the schools is there
That said the will to change is required unless they think they don’t have to.
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Y'see what Jolley did over the summer was what we needed as a club to try and reconnect with the local population.  

He turned things around on the pitch, worked his bloody backside off to do that softer community stuff to get the locals on board but he was then completely let down by the those in the corridors of power.  They had no desire or inclination to change their approach and pretty much just did as they've always did.  No push for extra ticket sales, no drive to bring people on board who may have been tempted, nothing.  Just the same old cycle.

The club had a decent turn out for the first game of the season, largely on the back of the positive feeling created by Jolley over the summer and then an equally decent game for the derby against yourselves, which no-one can have gone home from feeling they weren't entertained.  The opener against FGR was a damp squib but the derby game was something to capitalise on, we did nothing.  Granted, poor form and displays haven't helped and I still maintain that when you guys have a wobble, your gates will drop dramatically simply because you'll have a large chunk of your gate that hasn't really seen a bad run so far.  But the underlying issue is that even before your investment, you had guys in power who were at least willing to look beyond their own noses.  We've got a guy who actually believes he's doing a good job and won't consider the opinions of anyone else, never mind them having involvement.
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Y'see what Jolley did over the summer was what we needed as a club to try and reconnect with the local population.  

He turned things around on the pitch, worked his bloody backside off to do that softer community stuff to get the locals on board but he was then completely let down by the those in the corridors of power.  They had no desire or inclination to change their approach and pretty much just did as they've always did.  No push for extra ticket sales, no drive to bring people on board who may have been tempted, nothing.  Just the same old cycle.

The club had a decent turn out for the first game of the season, largely on the back of the positive feeling created by Jolley over the summer and then an equally decent game for the derby against yourselves, which no-one can have gone home from feeling they weren't entertained.  The opener against FGR was a damp squib but the derby game was something to capitalise on, we did nothing.  Granted, poor form and displays haven't helped and I still maintain that when you guys have a wobble, your gates will drop dramatically simply because you'll have a large chunk of your gate that hasn't really seen a bad run so far.  But the underlying issue is that even before your investment, you had guys in power who were at least willing to look beyond their own noses.  We've got a guy who actually believes he's doing a good job and won't consider the opinions of anyone else, never mind them having involvement.


I dread to think how many times that fans who truly love the club have to write posts like this.

Surely if JF is as big a fan as he says, he can look at the club and realise how underwhelming, no poor, the results of his tenure are. Using 'the Jolley revolution' for marketing is one thing but you've got to back it up. For all that went on in the summer, the visits have dried up and the same old 'make some noise for the boys', 'you can be the 12th man' is as exciting as it gets. Dare to be different Mr Fenty, no, even dare to be slightly progressive, we need some excitement in our lives!
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