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Swansea_Mariner
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You can question the budget all you like but I think you are wrong to suggest it’s not a competitive one without an shred of facts. But here’s a fact we will always struggle to attract the cream of the lower league players simply because of our location.

Take Bury for example I would hope we are competing or even beating them budget wise but many players would choose them over us even if it meant less in wages because of the location. I’d bet a lot of their players were born up that way or have strong family connections, but how many of our players have local connections, is it  1?

This is the main reason we struggle and have always struggled and it will continue to be the case until the next gem of a manager comes along one like the great sir Alan one who could work absolute miracles but unfortunately they are about once in a generation. The only other attraction would be to have a stadiums we can fill and fit for the 21st century but that’s not happening anytime soon.


That works both ways there's not a shred of evidence to lead to the conclusion that we have a competitive budget either.  Yes location comes in to it but your example of players choosing Bury would suggest the budget is not competitive, nobody said this was a level playing field. Competitive can require a premium, innovative terms and conditions or employees benefits.

For every Bury in a central location there is a Newport. Yes Newport another team who we consistently don't compete with.
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September 23, 2018, 10:41pm
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Let's be right.

We have a custodian who thinks it was wrong to bulldoze 4 tower blocks that were way out of date, would rather build a stadium on a greenfield site rather than re-generate the East Marsh and believes Operation Promotion was the worst thing that's happened to the club.

Add to that flasks, flags, Newell, 'benign' debts, Radio Humberside, the fans forum, interview from the snooker room & it's fairly obvious where the roots of our problems lie.
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Some on here seem to think we are between 500 and 1000 miles from civilisation. It amazes me how we have managed to field a full 1st eleven for 140 years.

The better players aren't coming because we don't pay enough, and the small fact that we have been s**t for longer than most players have been playing the game, who are not one bit impressed by our Championship years in the 80/90's.


Our location is against us which is why it is more important to invest in the facilities we have to offer. That said, I think Amond commuted from Manchester on a daily basis and there has often been a "car school" on the M62. We are only 90 minutes away from cities such as Hull, Leeds, Lincoln, Nottingham and Sheffield.

I'm 29 next month and fortunate enough to remember some great games in the second tier but the only memories of Grimsby Town my brother and sister have are 6 years of non-league and constant relegation battles.

Bignot was a fruitcake but he had the right idea, plucking players out from non-league on their way up and with a point to prove. A shame he went about it like a kid in a candy store but we need to build a squad of young, hungry players looking to move up the pyramid. Scunthorpe have established themselves as a League One club that occasionally flirts with The Championship by doing just that. They had Billy Sharp, we had Scott Vernon.
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Our location is against us which is why it is more important to invest in the facilities we have to offer. That said, I think Amond commuted from Manchester on a daily basis and there has often been a "car school" on the M62. We are only 90 minutes away from cities such as Hull, Leeds, Lincoln, Nottingham and Sheffield.

I'm 29 next month and fortunate enough to remember some great games in the second tier but the only memories of Grimsby Town my brother and sister have are 6 years of non-league and constant relegation battles.

Bignot was a fruitcake but he had the right idea, plucking players out from non-league on their way up and with a point to prove. A shame he went about it like a kid in a candy store but we need to build a squad of young, hungry players looking to move up the pyramid. Scunthorpe have established themselves as a League One club that occasionally flirts with The Championship by doing just that. They had Billy Sharp, we had Scott Vernon.


Although I fully agree about signing non league players on the up, Bignot did that because Fenty allowed him to spend the Bogle money on some half decent players who sadly, turned bout to not really want to be here. Osbourne was/is a competent player but we paid more for him that ideal on both fees and wages and then he decided cGrimsby was too far away from Solihull ( it hadn’t moved!).
Geography is an issue but not an insurmountable one and certainly not one that should be used to brow beat the fans periodically. The blame on everything to do with GTFC lies in one mans hands, as it would in any business, the man at the top.
He may be able to control the temperature in McMenemys from his home but this is just an example of his total strangulation of the club, nobody can do anything without his prior agreement. Micro managing, and suffocating costsmay have worked in a growing fish business but maybe it worked making Betamax videos. Sadly it doesn’t work today
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If our budget is as competitive as many other clubs, how come Scunthorpe have outperformed us for many seasons now as they are only 20 odd miles down the road and having been there many times there are plenty of places in the town that are shitholes?


Scunny are bankrolled by a multi millionaire they are usually operate at a loss of more than 3. Million a year. Soon as the money dries up they will be back down to there natural position.


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That works both ways there's not a shred of evidence to lead to the conclusion that we have a competitive budget either.  Yes location comes in to it but your example of players choosing Bury would suggest the budget is not competitive, nobody said this was a level playing field. Competitive can require a premium, innovative terms and conditions or employees benefits.

For every Bury in a central location there is a Newport. Yes Newport another team who we consistently don't compete with.


Ah the mighty Newport who’s highest ever position in the history of the game is 3rd in the old 3rd division. It’s no surprise they spend the majority of there time in the basement league.


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Ah the mighty Newport who’s highest ever position in the history of the game is 3rd in the old 3rd division. It’s no surprise they spend the majority of there time in the basement league.


Yep, the mighty Newport who have relatively little historical achievement yet still have out performed GTFC for several seasons!
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Quoted from MuddyWaters
Let's be right.

We have a custodian who thinks it was wrong to bulldoze 4 tower blocks that were way out of date, would rather build a stadium on a greenfield site rather than re-generate the East Marsh and believes Operation Promotion was the worst thing that's happened to the club.

Add to that flasks, flags, Newell, 'benign' debts, Radio Humberside, the fans forum, interview from the snooker room & it's fairly obvious where the roots of our problems lie.


You might have to add Jolley to that list yet



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Budget wise it never fails to amaze me that we can't compete, or at least don't seem to be able to compete. I'm not privvy to the budget details but it doesn't take a genius to work out that we're shopping at the bargain basement end of the scale. Take Welsh out the equation (who I believe was keen to move over here for family reasons and as good as he is, wouldn't have had loads of suitors due to a lack of games in recent seasons) and who would actually command a big wage or see us face competition to sign?

Without doubt, Blundell Park is a huge drain resources simply because it must cost a small fortune to maintain on a daily basis.  It's a wreck and is causing us to throw money down the proverbial drain just to keep it in a state where we can host games.  There have been countless variations of people running NELC in the last 15 years, yet one constant in GTFC.  Amazing how all those countless variations failed to sort an agreement with one individual, isn't it?  The blame for us still residing at Blundell Park resides at the feet of one individual.  

Our core fan base should be large enough for us to still have a budget that would make us competitive in the top half.  The problem is that we waste money and more importantly fail to capitalise on the opportunities presented to us as a club.

It's not difficult really.  You want more money to spend on the playing budget so you go out and you generate more income.  Ticketing wise - what did the club do to draw extra fans in over the summer?  There was an almighty feel-good factor surrounding the club after surviving the drop, what did the club do to tap into that?  Nowt.  What does the commercial department do generate extra income other than the odd guest speaker who is usually someone just doing the circuit anyway?  Nowt.  How long and painstaking was it get something so simple agreed for the shift-season ticket deal?  That was almost 3 years in the making.  3 years for a bloody coupon system!!  In any other business that would have been up and running within hours.

As a club we're run in a urine poor manner.  It's no wonder we're treading water in every possible way.  Fenty and his mob don't have a clue how to run the football club.  I don't want any of the directors to put their hands in their pockets, I want them to run the club in a manner that generates enough income to give the manager a competitive budget - you do that by making the club marketable.  The sheer arrogance of the current attitude is summed up when Fenty declares that 'we do our PR on the pitch'.   Yes, yes we do John.  That's why we've achieved sod all under your stewardship and whilst other clubs are going forward we're going backwards.

This isn't about IF things don't turn out.  Things AREN'T turning out.  They haven't turned out for the last 15 years.
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Yep, the mighty Newport who have relatively little historical achievement yet still have out performed GTFC for several seasons!


At least Bother to get your facts right before posting in the past 7 seasons we have only been in the league 2 times and 2016-17 we finished above them!!
From 2013 - 2016 we wasn’t even in the same league so you can’t compare performance.
2011 - 2013 we were both non league and we finished above them in the 2011-2011 season.


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