Jolley post match.

Quoted from gaz57

If a tradesman turns up at your house without the right tools it doesn't matter how good he is, he's only as good as the tools he is employing. MJ has earnt the right to be given the time to get it right. Give me as many crosses as you like but I'm still right behind him, we can't keep changing the manager every 5 minutes because a few fans throw a wobble.

We're all behind him but please, PLEASE don't make excuses for a manager who sends a team out to get a 0-0 draw. A manager who drops Famewo to accommodate Collins and consistently leaves Vernam out & plays Woolford.

How many games is acceptable to go without goals, points and even shots on target?

He chose the 'tools' - your word - if he can't use them, he doesn't have much time.

It’s a tough situation for all Jolley supporters (of which I’m one). Desperate to see him do well here. I thought he’d bring stability, a calmness and a modern approach that might just give us an edge in what is a pretty poor division.

I wasn’t asking for promotion or even a play-off spot (for this season at least). I was preparing for a season around 14th where Jolley finds his feet and then builds for better things in the future.

I’m not demanding that he be sacked at all. Fed up with this managerial merry-go-round. But I’m totally baffled by what he’s trying to do here. So much of it makes no sense.

Poor Harry Clifton. The lad is an out-and-out central midfielder yet I don’t think he’s actually played there for us under Jolley. I like the fact that MJ is trying to play him but if he doesn’t fit the system then name him on the bench. He’s not a wing back and he’s not a wide attacking midfielder.

He brought Woolford into centre mid last season and he was great. He gets a new contract - presuming that he’ll remain in centre mid - and Jolley signs about 4 more centre mids.

We’ve got about 5 strikers st the club and, fair enough, we’ve had injuries, but we’re playing one up top... one that doesn’t have the attributes to carry out that role.

MJ got so much right last season. He improved confidence and played a simple 4-4-2 that the players clearly understood. I don’t know what formation it starting XI we’re going to play this season, week to week, and that makes it almost impossible to get behind.

The way we played against Notts Co and Forest Green last season was impressive. Every player looked comfortable and confident. Hooper scored a hat-trick for Christ’s sake!

Most of those players he worked with were dross, but he got something out of them. I feel this squad has more technical talent but they look weak and fragile, and confused at what they’re meant to be doing.

We have a squad that was assembled on the presumption that we’d play 3-5-2 this season but whether it’s three or four at the back we don’t look like we can defend and we certainly can’t score.

MJ really struggled when he first arrived last season. We were awful v Port Vale but scraped a draw, we were awful at Lincoln and Coventry and we only started showing signs of fighting when we lost at Wycombe.

I’m sort of hoping the same thing is happening now - we’re pretty rubbish but soon something will click and we’ll be alright.

I don't think it matters who's manager, where a rundown Town and Club, who can't attract players to come here apart from loans and Free Transfers, we don't have a plan, since being in league, i never liked Bignot but at least we was looking at Lower league, Osborne and Sam Jones, Chris Clements from Mansfield who scored 4 goals in 16 games name a midfielder who can get that in ratio from centre mid apart from Rose pens.

We need a plan drastically, and i don't think geting rid of Jolley is the plan, Jolley has given good contracts to youth another will just disgard them and pay them off, annoying thing for me is sending Rose and Wright on loan when we lack width and speed up front. Them two players sghould pushing for first team.

I think Jolley was expecting to get players like Ginnelly, Long etc and missed out on them and has gambled on having enough to January, i don't know what's happened to the team since Lincoln and MK Dons.

Im having a birthday party on tuesday michael , fancy one of your drop in's ? If so please feel free .

I have a few very reasonable questions i want to put your way.

We are still trying different systems and players - but still finding different ways to lose.  This is the managers analysis.

We are playing with fear (of losing) and without courage.  This is unacceptable to supporters.

Any continuation of this dire position will probable be  unacceptable to Fenty as well.

Quoted from chaos33

As soon as the manager is trying to kid supporters on, then the end is nigh. It happened with Slade and I'm afraid that it's starting to sound the same. I understand the need to look for positives and to try to deflect pressure from himself and the team - sure we all do, but some of the stuff in that interview is plain bullsh1te. We might as well tell it like it is.

I am at a loss to explain why this is happening. Again.

I like Jolley and I was fully behind him. I think we all were. Hopeful and excited and grateful for what was achieved with Slade's awful squad but what the hell has happened since then? No blaming the fans this time. Back we all came with enthusiasm and hope -predicting good things, but it transpires that we can't compete in this division, once again. Not even with the middling teams. Why is that? Jolley's coaching credentials are second to none. If there are any better qualified coaches in L2 then they will be a tiny number. It must surely be the budget then. Does our bottom three league position reflect our investment in players? No hiding from the fact that we've signed too few quality players and retained too many average to poor ones.

I don't understand the persistence with some players who seem to prove, week in, week out, that they are barely up to this standard. Some of the selections have become baffling - Woolford and Collins auto picks despite terrible performance levels and Vernam not able to get a start. Famewo dropped. Players played out of position. Changes in the starting eleven every game and the system tinkered with endlessly, ensuring confusion and a lack of continuity. And his from a top qualified coach?!

I just can't understand why we seem to be sh1t regardless of who we sign, or who we play or who manages us. We are becoming a laughing stock. Once again, GTFC have killed that momentum. That local pride. All the fans forgiving and forgetting and returning, hoping for better and yet....more of the same. It really is dog t**d and I'm sick to the back teeth of it. I think we all are.

Great post mate, agree with it all.

The bit in bold.. I just want to offer a theory..

I think it may be a general culture thing that's been hanging around the club for years and infects every manager and filters down to the players. Tight fisted budgets maybe? Small time attitudes and penny pinching ways defoinitely. Are we professional enough as a club to be taken seriously or are we just another payday on a career path? Until the culture and the people responsible for the culture change or are replaced, maybe it's always going to be the same?

Seems plausible doesn't it.

Quoted from Bigdog

No panic.. we've got Fox, Dixon and Cardwell coming back from injury..

Yeah, and I'm 'acutely aware' of just how desperate that sounds. Three more substandard, cheap players to come back to cement our bottom three status.

Quoted from chaos33

As soon as the manager is trying to kid supporters on, then the end is nigh. It happened with Slade and I'm afraid that it's starting to sound the same. I understand the need to look for positives and to try to deflect pressure from himself and the team - sure we all do, but some of the stuff in that interview is plain bullsh1te. We might as well tell it like it is.

I am at a loss to explain why this is happening. Again.

I like Jolley and I was fully behind him. I think we all were. Hopeful and excited and grateful for what was achieved with Slade's awful squad but what the hell has happened since then? No blaming the fans this time. Back we all came with enthusiasm and hope -predicting good things, but it transpires that we can't compete in this division, once again. Not even with the middling teams. Why is that? Jolley's coaching credentials are second to none. If there are any better qualified coaches in L2 then they will be a tiny number. It must surely be the budget then. Does our bottom three league position reflect our investment in players? No hiding from the fact that we've signed too few quality players and retained too many average to poor ones.

I don't understand the persistence with some players who seem to prove, week in, week out, that they are barely up to this standard. Some of the selections have become baffling - Woolford and Collins auto picks despite terrible performance levels and Vernam not able to get a start. Famewo dropped. Players played out of position. Changes in the starting eleven every game and the system tinkered with endlessly, ensuring confusion and a lack of continuity. And his from a top qualified coach?!

I just can't understand why we seem to be sh1t regardless of who we sign, or who we play or who manages us. We are becoming a laughing stock. Once again, GTFC have killed that momentum. That local pride. All the fans forgiving and forgetting and returning, hoping for better and yet....more of the same. It really is dog t**d and I'm sick to the back teeth of it. I think we all are.

Dog sh@t wrapped up in cat sh@t?

Quoted from Bigdog

Great post mate, agree with it all.

The bit in bold.. I just want to offer a theory..

I think it may be a general culture thing that's been hanging around the club for years and infects every manager and filters down to the players. Tight fisted budgets maybe? Small time attitudes and penny pinching ways defoinitely. Are we professional enough as a club to be taken seriously or are we just another payday on a career path? Until the culture and the people responsible for the culture change or are replaced, maybe it's always going to be the same?

The culture has been the same for way too long. Penny rich, pound thick.

Please, please someone come out of the woodwork and save us from more non-league and kick the Fenty regime into the wilderness where it belongs,