Michael  Jolley

Quoted from MarinerMal

Added the perspective you seem to have inadvertently missed out...

behave... it's only 8 games

Quoted from sisapon

have heard that mj has got 3 games, oldham was 1 of them.

Quoted from Ipswin

As a major recipient of red crosses myself, I'm sure that, like me Pete doesn't give a excrement

Ironic really that Pete may be getting red crosses because he dislikes Fenty and I get 'em for sticking up for him!

Badge of pride Pete mate - see you at Cambridge!

Quoted from grimsby pete

That is some 1st post .

Quoted from Bigdog

I got your point first time Mal, I think the one I was making has gone totally over you're head..

Nothing to do with league position and I did say I don't think we'll be in a relegation battle and in other threads I've said that MJ needs plenty of time..

Barring a few clubs, the top half of the table will bear no resemblance come May. Your argument still hold sway in March if we lose to the seven or eight new teams in the top half?

Just to make it clear.. my point was look at the size and stature of clubs we're now supposed to accept to lose to because some people feel the need to look all reasonable and patient..

Those clubs built new sides in the summer too..

The acceptance of mediocrity and swiftness to offer excuses for it is staggering on here sometimes..

Quoted from MarinerMal

No, it really didn't.

If you think MJ needs plenty of time, then what on earth are you wittering on about after 8 games? Wittering? Charming..

Well if the top half bears no resemblence come May, hopefully the bottom half won't either (meaning we won't be in the bottom half, hopefully). You don't seem to get my argument which is... 8 GAMES IS TOO EARLY TO BE MAKING JUDGEMENT ON A SEASON!!!!

I was making a judgement on the start we've made not on the season. No need to shout or put words in my mouth to re-emphasise your point..

I think you need to do a retake on the size and stature of our football club. Yes in the 80's/90's we swung way above our level but we've just come from 6 years in the non-league. We have fallen behind many teams, even locally. Rebuilding from that mess will take more than a season or two.

You build a mindset like this and you can create problems and mental blocks that in fact may not exist..

We need to give Jolley some time, certainly more than 8 games ffs. Ffs? Calm the fook down, because I am.. We have had a really tough start, yes I think there is plenty of work to be done but I really don't see what we would gain by putting pressure on the manager at this point.

I'm posting on a forum not shouting in his lughole and not calling for his head..

Looking at the standard of teams we've played, I don't think we've had a tough start. MK Dons (second half), Lincoln (for how they hung on in the game) and Yeovil impressed me, the others, we made them look better than they are..

Looking back at your posts, you seemed to think we would be top half pushing for promotion. I said top half pushing for play offs, but hey why not misquote me to try to justify yourself further..That was hopeful. Mid table was always our aim this season.Was it? Never heard any target being set or is it another one of those fan self-appointed targets? Even a bottom half finish away from a relegation scrap is progress. Yes, that would be a Jolley Revolution..

If your hope were too high at the beginning of the season, that is not Jolley's fault. You must have had faith in him then, why abandon that faith after 8 games against sides in form, towards the top end of the table.Who says I've abandoned the faith? Like you quoted me, he needs to be given more time, but I'm a little disappointed with how he's set up the team at the minute, I expected better than this dross we've been serving up.. I really believe this will, in the end come good this season, a mid table finish would be a hell of an achievement. Mid-table League Two is meh and not hell of an acheivement no matter where we finished last season. The vast majority of the teams in this division are pretty poor tbh and I don't think we need to be handing out gold stars for mediocrity..

Unless, we are really struggling in the bottom 2 come Christmas, we need to give this guy a season and maybe another to help rebuild this football club. I've said three seasons to get us out of this league, minimum two, so does that make me more patient than you?

We are all GTFC fans and supporters. Let's start acting that way and give the team the support it needs currently.Were you a school teacher or a copper? Because all I've done is make a point that is different to yours and I've been lectured, shouted at, ffs ed at, called a witterer and been told to behave. I don't believe in your weak-minded fuzzy logic, get over it and move on. This acceptance of being little old Grimsby with an uphill task season after season creates a self-inducing nightmare season after season.. but then again you can't see that and I accept you may have a different view to mine that I don't agree with, but I don't put up with being misquoted or mis-represented..

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Well you did see him in the bogs at Braintree. Maybe you were impressed by his, erm, stature.