Was Bignot That Bad.?

I felt Marcus was very unfairly treated by the gtfc board.
He attracted some good young players, got some good results results and bad aswell.
He was in charge when we beat Hartlepool away when we where epic i thought he could be great.

He was a nutcase and a bad appointment by our inglorious board and he has no relevance to the current situation.

He's the best manager we have had since PH  

Bignot 33% win ratio
Slade 25% win ratio
Jolley 30% win ratio

Quoted from Yoda

I felt Marcus was very unfairly treated by the gtfc board.
He attracted some good young players, got some good results results and bad aswell.
He was in charge when we beat Hartlepool away when we where epic i thought he could be great.

Slade won at Cheltenham something Hurst never did, winning at Hartlepool the year they where relegated isn't exactly top of the CV materiel.  

Bignot was all about Bignot, MJ is about the club.    

Quoted from GrimRob

He's the best manager we have had since PH

Bignot 33% win ratio
Slade 25% win ratio
Jolley 30% win ratio

I never thought I would say it but I would have Hurst back, not a big fan of the bloke and his deputy but I'd have him back when he gets sacked by Ipswich and is looking for a job.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I never thought I would say it but I would have Hurst back, not a big fan of the bloke and his deputy but I'd have him back when he gets sacked by Ipswich and is looking for a job.

So would Shrewsbury!

Quoted from promotion plaice

I never thought I would say it but I would have Hurst back, not a big fan of the bloke and his deputy but I'd have him back when he gets sacked by Ipswich and is looking for a job.

Careful what you wish for.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Careful what you wish for.

Give me strength. Hurst is a pragmatic winner of football matches who has reached his ceiling, Jolley is an intelligent man who is out of his comfort zone.

Quoted from chaos33

He was a nutcase and a bad appointment by our inglorious board and he has no relevance to the current situation.

Is the right answer.

And for the record, “epic” at Hartlepool is a gross exaggeration - a poor team beat an even poorer team that day.

A team that had Henderson playing brilliantly 2nd half catching everything they put in our box. It was a backs to the wall performance, entertaining win we deserved, but they were relegation material so nothing to be proud of

He was shite. Total nut job and swiftly destabilised us after Hurst left us steady but unspectacular.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Give me strength. Hurst is a pragmatic winner of football matches who has reached his ceiling, Jolley is an intelligent man who is out of his comfort zone.

I hope it's comfort zone and not depth.

Anyone who thought he could put out an experimental game in a "Derby" match without parts of the team having any of their recognised players in there resulting in a home 5-1 hammering was several pence short of the proverbial shilling.

Christ almighty. It must be bad if we’re calling bignot good

Quoted from barralad

Anyone who thought he could put out an experimental game in a "Derby" match without parts of the team having any of their recognised players in there resulting in a home 5-1 hammering was several pence short of the proverbial shilling.

well.....after 8 games i have no idea of our formation, system or style of play so are we better off ?

Quoted from promotion plaice

I never thought I would say it but I would have Hurst back, not a big fan of the bloke and his deputy but I'd have him back when he gets sacked by Ipswich and is looking for a job.

No excrement you would. We’ve been absolutely terrible since Hurst left us.

Unfortunately he’s totally out of our league now.

Quoted from sam gy

No excrement you would. We’ve been absolutely terrible since Hurst left us.

Unfortunately he’s totally out of our league now.

The way he is going he might be out of a job.

I've got a new manager at work who played as a striker for Solihiull whilst bignot was there. He said he was the most clueless manager he's played under. Could be sour grapes as he ended up leaving and solihull got promoted, but didn't like him at all.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I never thought I would say it but I would have Hurst back, not a big fan of the bloke and his deputy but I'd have him back when he gets sacked by Ipswich and is looking for a job.

You might but Hurst would not touch this club with a bargepole and who could blame him? The Halifax away game in particular and the constant "Spoilt" chant will always remind him of the toxic relationship with fans here.

He was treated like scum by SOME fans no wonder he cupped is ears at Wembley it was definitely a love/hate relationship.

Call Fenty all ya like but he did stand by him and in the end, he delivered the goods some might argue it took him to long but look at Wrexham proving that history/size of club means nothing today.

Yes as a lifelong Mariner fan it's bloody painful and hurts like hell but Jolley has to be given a fair crack at getting this team going.

No gain without pain.

2 More games for me and thats it... He is out of his depth being a manager. and like others i cannot see what he is trying to do. and neither will fenty ,it wont go 19 games this season

Quoted from chaos33

He was a nutcase and a bad appointment by our inglorious board and he has no relevance to the current situation.

Can you expand on this? Facts not rumours will be sufficient.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Careful what you wish for.

That’s what the Ipswich fans are saying.

Hurst at Ipswich just needs time just like we gave him .

Quoted from Hagrid

Christ almighty. It must be bad if we’re calling bignot good

It sure is !

Hurst needs six years.

Quoted from Yoda

Hurst needs six years.

So does Jolley - preferably with a different owner.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

So does Jolley - preferably with a different owner.

It`s not just Jolley that needs a new owner  its the whole freekin club

Quoted from denni266

2 More games for me and thats it... He is out of his depth being a manager. and like others i cannot see what he is trying to do. and neither will fenty ,it wont go 19 games this season

So out of his depth that he helped us avoid relegation last season - yeh right.

Quoted from rancido

So out of his depth that he helped us avoid relegation last season - yeh right.

Unfortunately it's highly unlikely that our last fixtures will be against fellow strugglers who are even worse than us (I don't know if there will actually be any of those) and  so unless we get another run of debatable penalties and Mitch Rose continues his 100% record the he isn't going to perform a miracle again.

Beginners luck and a squad everyone was knocking paid a large part last season. This quad looks stronger but totally disinterested in playing for a banker (that's with a 'B') with no experience of league level football

Quoted from Grim74

Can you expand on this? Facts not rumours will be sufficient.

Yeah I can.
I used my eyes and my ears and I saw and heard the same as everyone else. Where were you?

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah I can.
I used my eyes and my ears and I saw and heard the same as everyone else. Where were you?

And what did your eyes and ears see? Because you’ve still not giving me facts.

It seems as far as I’m concerned Bignot who was doing an OK job compared to today’s standards was turfed out once Fenty’s mate became available.

Quoted from Grim74

And what did your eyes and ears see? Because you’ve still not giving me facts.

It seems as far as I’m concerned Bignot who was doing an OK job compared to today’s standards was turfed out once Fenty’s mate became available.

Going over old ground as ever but.........

- He p1ssed off the senior pros who had got us back up.
- He signed some players with the talent to play in the EFL, not sure about their attitudes
- He told the board if they sanction spending he'd get players out to balance the books, he never did.
- He signed that tw@t Gavin Gunning
- He dropped stalwarts and warriors for a local derby versus a really decent side and we got smashed.
- He threw an England international under the bus after Stevenage away
- He took a team in a play off position down the league
- He made himself look like a clown in the media
- He arguably made the same mistakes at Chester .......... and copulated that up to.

I'm sure there is more but good wins at Carlisle and Plymouth should not hide the fact that he was a sodding liability, just like the man who replaced him sadly.

Taking throwing the England international under a bus to one side how does this make him a nutcase? Is Jolley a nutcase then?

I don’t remember the bus incident why wasn’t he jailed?

Hahaha dear oh dear. I'm reminded of ginnywings' advice 'not to play chess with a pigeon'.

🙄 oh it’s an expression🙄 still waiting to hear how you can justifiably call him a nutcase.

There was a lot of stuff going on that meant we had to get rid

I wouldn't go if Hurst came back. Couldn't stand the guy. As Yoda said; it took him six years to get one of the biggest clubs in the national league back where we belong and we should have been so so grateful- Feck off

Quoted from Cod Cheeks

I wouldn't go if Hurst came back. Couldn't stand the guy. As Yoda said; it took him six years to get one of the biggest clubs in the national league back where we belong and we should have been so so grateful- Feck off

He will be sacked soon and his happy clappers on here will be crying for his return I don’t want him sweeping the stands never mind managing the team, horrible little twit.

Quoted from Grim74

🙄 oh it’s an expression🙄 still waiting to hear how you can justifiably call him a nutcase.

"Listen" next time we're all down at "The BP" then maybe we can all discuss.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

There was a lot of stuff going on that meant we had to get rid

Rumoured but nobody produces any evidence.

pearson would still be here and we would have a least 1 good defender.

The rumoured goings on were baffling but the 2-2 draw at home to Carlisle under Bignot was probably the most entertaining game for some time and there hasn't been a game that has matched it for entertainment since.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The rumoured goings on were baffling but the 2-2 draw at home to Carlisle under Bignot was probably the most entertaining game for some time and there hasn't been a game that has matched it for entertainment since.

Notts County last season? Lincon this season?

Thought we played some great stuff in those games. That's what is keeping me going; the fact that Jolley has had us playing some good, cohesive, attacking football at times.

Bignot gave us some great performances but also some absolute disasters. He was also (apparently) a disgrace in the training ground and just a general ‘fruitloop’. I’d say us going down the table that year was mainly down to losing Bogle because our side was very average other than him.

Quoted from ginnywings

Notts County last season? Lincon this season?

Thought we played some great stuff in those games. That's what is keeping me going; the fact that Jolley has had us playing some good, cohesive, attacking football at times.

Can I add Swindon at home from last season? Great game.

Bignot was a clueless gobshite who was obviously making it up as he went along. Signed a few decent players with the largesse from Bogle's sale and was a load of money others who didn't either play or do anything to earn their wages.

It strikes me that Jolley's biggest problem is trying to be too clever by half. Let's get a Plan A working with the option of a Plan B before thinking about Plans C, D, E, etc etc.

Lower division footballers don't tend to be good enough to play in a different formation each week and the selection has been so haphazard this season (often probably not by choice) that there is no surprise the players look like a bunch of strangers half the time. I think we've got some skilful players but we're still lacking in pace and physicality so that's something else which has been missed by Jolley when he's built his team.

Oddest choice for me is the fact that he was apparently hoping to play with 3 at the back, but then hasn't signed players who can play as wing-backs (Hendrie aside, perhaps)!

Quoted from Maringer

Bignot was a clueless gobshite who was obviously making it up as he went along. Signed a few decent players with the largesse from Bogle's sale and was a load of money others who didn't either play or do anything to earn their wages.

It strikes me that Jolley's biggest problem is trying to be too clever by half. Let's get a Plan A working with the option of a Plan B before thinking about Plans C, D, E, etc etc.

Lower division footballers don't tend to be good enough to play in a different formation each week and the selection has been so haphazard this season (often probably not by choice) that there is no surprise the players look like a bunch of strangers half the time. I think we've got some skilful players but we're still lacking in pace and physicality so that's something else which has been missed by Jolley when he's built his team.

Oddest choice for me is the fact that he was apparently hoping to play with 3 at the back, but then hasn't signed players who can play as wing-backs[b][/b] (Hendrie aside, perhaps)!

RHJ and Fox can do that role IMO.

Quoted from barralad

Can I add Swindon at home from last season? Great game.

You certainly can. 'Twas indeed a cracker.

Quoted from ginnywings

RHJ and Fox can do that role IMO.

In my humble opinion, I'm not sure those two are that great.

Quoted from arryarryarry

In my humble opinion, I'm not sure those two are that great.

Well you would say that, as you are generally negative about most of our players.  

I think RHJ could probably be a decent wing-back, not least because I seem to think he's played on the wing at previous clubs but I don't think Fox is really nippy enough for the role. He's by no means slow and went on some good forward runs last season but as a big bloke he's never going to be the quickest off the mark. A good full-back but not sure he'll be capable of playing as an effective wing-back.

I'm more concerned about the defensive side of RHJ's game though his pace and strength is often enough to get him out of trouble.

I reckon we'd probably have won a few more points if both of these two had been available all season, however.

There is more to being a footballer than running fast, but it seems to be something you flag up constantly. Our pace, or lack thereof. I'm not so sure we are much different to any other side and have players of varying speed across the turf.

I was told by a very reliable source that under Bignot discipline had broken down, training was a joke and the senior pro's were totally fed up. Plus his media stuff was incomprehensible at times.
Only seen town twice this year and although Yeovil was poor, I saw enough at the Franchise Scum to convince me Jolley will sort this. I think he has to convince himself he has a best eleven and a formation that works. I've read on here that he's "lost the dressing room" and it might take the senior players like Welsh will tell him. If he's as bright as we think he is he'll make it work, but he's going to have to do it sharpish before we're back to 3000

Quoted from ginnywings

There is more to being a footballer than running fast, but it seems to be something you flag up constantly. Our pace, or lack thereof. I'm not so sure we are much different to any other side and have players of varying speed across the turf.

Lack of pace is something I flag up constantly because we tend to be outpaced by most teams and, when you're getting outpaced all the way across the field, you've lost the initiative from the off. We don't have good enough footballers to keep possession and have the opposition chasing shadows so we're going to be chasing the ball a lot and need to be quick enough to get there. The fact that Jolley has attempted to play a middle 3 containing Welsh and Woolford leaves me baffled as neither has any pace at all these days and Rose isn't exactly quick, either.

In the games I've seen this season, both FGR and Yeovil were full of pace and movement that we couldn't/struggled to match. We coped well enough with Lincoln, however. We played pretty terribly against FGR which obviously didn't help but they were running past our midfield and defence at leisure. We coped better with Yeovil and deserved something from the game but ultimately, it was the pace and strength of their subs that won it for them as our tiring defenders stood off their quick and tricky winger who then slotted in a shot extremely well. Missed the game on Saturday so can't comment on that one.

In attack, we've got players who are quick enough (but too lightweight) though none exactly have game-changing pace, but it's the midfield and defence where we are lacking. I think a Famewo/Whitmore partnership in the middle is probably the way forward and expect RHJ and Hendrie to be the wide defenders which should make us more mobile at the back. In midfield, Hessenthaler, Rose and Clifton are mobile enough and Welsh can play with any two of those in a middle 3 for me, but definitely not alongside Woolford.

The young, dynamic and athletic team Jolley was apparently looking for just hasn't materialised, unfortunately. The one area of the field where we are a bit quicker than last season is too weak on the ball (which is why I'd bung Cardwell back in as soon as he is fit despite his lack of a goal threat) and I think retaining Collins for another year was a problem as he's looked well out of sorts so far.