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GrimRob
September 2, 2018, 1:52pm

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The table below shows the percentage of our points we get at home. It's been 10 years since we've managed over 60%! But that used to be the norm and if you go back to the 70s we were picking up 70% of our points at home.

1967-1968     73%
1968-1969     52%
1969-1970     63%
1970-1971     70%
1971-1972     63%
1972-1973     74%
1973-1974     70%
1974-1975     76%
1975-1976     84%
1976-1977     80%
1977-1978     65%
1978-1979     57%
1979-1980     64%
1980-1981     63%
1981-1982     50%
1982-1983     72%
1983-1984     64%
1984-1985     65%
1985-1986     71%
1986-1987     52%
1987-1988     50%
1988-1989     64%
1989-1990     58%
1990-1991     61%
1991-1992     46%
1992-1993     66%
1993-1994     59%
1994-1995     66%
1995-1996     61%
1996-1997     61%
1997-1998     58%
1998-1999     64%
1999-2000     75%
2000-2001     65%
2001-2002     68%
2002-2003     54%
2003-2004     70%
2004-2005     59%
2005-2006     54%
2006-2007     63%
2007-2008     47%
2008-2009     61%
2009-2010     48%
2010-2011     53%
2011-2012     57%
2012-2013     53%
2013-2014     52%
2014-2015     46%
2015-2016     52%
2016-2017     53%
2017-2018     53%
2018-2019     20%

If you break it down per decade

70s 71%
80s 61%
90s 60%
00s 60%
10s 53% (excluding this season)

It's too simplistic to blame it on the default scapegoat of the directors (although I am sure some will). Are we getting better away, or just worse at home? It's clearly a long-term trend, but why???


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And let's not forget that six of those most recent seasons were in the tinpot which makes it even worse.


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Whilst in the conference, for the last few years anyway, we were picking up a high number of points overall. Therefore I see the lower percentage as representing that we were good both home and away. For the other seasons in the last ten years, we simply haven't been very good and inconsistent. Therefore having home advantage counts for less, and there's less of a disparity between home and away performances.
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BP is that depressing
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Time for a new stadium eh?  


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It’s a good question and I think it’s us the fans that are the problem. We get on the players backs with (at times) some really nasty comments. I live near London and over the years I’ve been to nearly all if not all the grounds in London with friends. I’ve noticed the home fans are nowhere near as nasty as ours can be. Also ours is a small ground with the pitch right next to the stands, so the players can hear most of these comments. Would you be playing to your full capacity if that was happening to you? I also think it’s worth mentioning that the away support is the opposite. They shout and cheer their hearts out from start to finish. It therefore appears (to me) that those getting on the players backs only go to home games. Ok that’s a generalisation but I don’t think I’m far off the mark. UTM
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Quoted from GrimExile
It’s a good question and I think it’s us the fans that are the problem. We get on the players backs with (at times) some really nasty comments. I live near London and over the years I’ve been to nearly all if not all the grounds in London with friends. I’ve noticed the home fans are nowhere near as nasty as ours can be. Also ours is a small ground with the pitch right next to the stands, so the players can hear most of these comments. Would you be playing to your full capacity if that was happening to you? I also think it’s worth mentioning that the away support is the opposite. They shout and cheer their hearts out from start to finish. It therefore appears (to me) that those getting on the players backs only go to home games. Ok that’s a generalisation but I don’t think I’m far off the mark. UTM


I think it's well known that opposition teams come with a plan to frustrate our fans. Truth is that they often succeed and that, more often than not, we don't seem to be able to combat it.
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I know I'll get grief for this, but I honestly believe the atmosphere and feeling around the place has a negative impact on the team, and this has been getting worse in the last 10 years or so, in my experience.

You all know what I mean - the place is full of people who can't wait to start getting on players' backs and digging the manager out. It was mentioned by an opposition player or manager probably a couple of seasons ago (might've been when Hartlepool beat us 3-0?) that players knew if they could frustrate the team for the first half hour, the fans would start getting at players and the atmosphere would turn in their favour. They're not wrong.

Before you all start about how the fans have stuck with the club - that's right, and should be commended. How we sold over 3k season tickets this year I'll never know, and its a testament to the fans that we continue to turn up week after week after getting dished up absolute turd for two decades straight.

But the atmosphere is very, very rarely one of unconditional support and encouragement. Everything's tinged with expectancy (perhaps rightly), and when people do go start to really vocally support the team, a lot of the time it seems like it's out of frustration and people are being forced to drag the players along. It never seems like fun, it's a chore.

You've got pockets around the ground - on the left of the Pontoon, on the Osmond side of the Findus & Main stand - but it's like some people need to be beaten with a massive stick to get any kind of support out of them. Up to them I suppose, not everyone goes to shout & sing and jump up and down, but it seems like half the ground just want to get in, moan to the people around them, and get out as quickly as possible.

Why's it like this? The same reasons we go over every few months. The stewards are overbearing little Hitlers. The sound doesn't carry around the ground and gets lost out of the open corners. You've an aging crowd as young people are priced out or have better options on a Saturday like sitting in the pub watching Jeff Stelling. When there's the opportunity to do something different and open the Osmond to get a bit of atmosphere going, the club aren't even remotely interested. Year after year of turgid performances, even with decent teams (Hurst, Slade in 05/06), haven't helped - functionality help might get results but it hasn't been easy on the eye.

I also think the club really need to take a look at how they're pitching themselves to fans and the town more generally. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm sick to death of being told how we're the 12th man, how the club need us, how  we can get them over the line, we're a big team with a great following...blah blah blah balderdash. Frankly, the club have worn that line out in the last few years, and their actions don't show they particularly give a stuff about us. Bignot and Jolley clearly have had this "pipe the fans off" line drilled into them, but it wears off very quickly. Look at this from the club on Friday, just 5 games into the season -

[tweet]1035516014585413633[/tweet]


Maybe save the begging and pleading for a little later on in the season. Maybe try and say something that might get fans excited about coming to BP, don't try and force it on us like some kind of moral obligation.

There are plenty of other clubs  and other grounds where fans are miserable and moan, but I couldn't care less. This is about GTFC and clearly there's a problem at home.
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I know I'll get grief for this, but I honestly believe the atmosphere and feeling around the place has a negative impact on the team, and this has been getting worse in the last 10 years or so, in my experience.

You all know what I mean - the place is full of people who can't wait to start getting on players' backs and digging the manager out. It was mentioned by an opposition player or manager probably a couple of seasons ago (might've been when Hartlepool beat us 3-0?) that players knew if they could frustrate the team for the first half hour, the fans would start getting at players and the atmosphere would turn in their favour. They're not wrong.

Before you all start about how the fans have stuck with the club - that's right, and should be commended. How we sold over 3k season tickets this year I'll never know, and its a testament to the fans that we continue to turn up week after week after getting dished up absolute turd for two decades straight.

But the atmosphere is very, very rarely one of unconditional support and encouragement. Everything's tinged with expectancy (perhaps rightly), and when people do go start to really vocally support the team, a lot of the time it seems like it's out of frustration and people are being forced to drag the players along. It never seems like fun, it's a chore.

You've got pockets around the ground - on the left of the Pontoon, on the Osmond side of the Findus & Main stand - but it's like some people need to be beaten with a massive stick to get any kind of support out of them. Up to them I suppose, not everyone goes to shout & sing and jump up and down, but it seems like half the ground just want to get in, moan to the people around them, and get out as quickly as possible.

Why's it like this? The same reasons we go over every few months. The stewards are overbearing little Hitlers. The sound doesn't carry around the ground and gets lost out of the open corners. You've an aging crowd as young people are priced out or have better options on a Saturday like sitting in the pub watching Jeff Stelling. When there's the opportunity to do something different and open the Osmond to get a bit of atmosphere going, the club aren't even remotely interested. Year after year of turgid performances, even with decent teams (Hurst, Slade in 05/06), haven't helped - functionality help might get results but it hasn't been easy on the eye.

I also think the club really need to take a look at how they're pitching themselves to fans and the town more generally. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm sick to death of being told how we're the 12th man, how the club need us, how  we can get them over the line, we're a big team with a great following...blah blah blah balderdash. Frankly, the club have worn that line out in the last few years, and their actions don't show they particularly give a stuff about us. Bignot and Jolley clearly have had this "pipe the fans off" line drilled into them, but it wears off very quickly. Look at this from the club on Friday, just 5 games into the season -

[tweet]1035516014585413633[/tweet]


Maybe save the begging and pleading for a little later on in the season. Maybe try and say something that might get fans excited about coming to BP, don't try and force it on us like some kind of moral obligation.

There are plenty of other clubs  and other grounds where fans are miserable and moan, but I couldn't care less. This is about GTFC and clearly there's a problem at home.


I think you've got it spot on Ska. There's no actual feeling of enjoyment, it's like a duty to turn up because we sort of don't know any different.

I feel that the board have got to realise that the '12th man', 'making some noise for the boys' marketing is tired & stale - like the ground and the board themselves. We pay to support our club and a little bit of mutual respect wouldn't go amiss. The responsibility appears to have passed to the manager whilst the board appear to have taken a vow of silence.
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The table below shows the percentage of our points we get at home. It's been 10 years since we've managed over 60%! But that used to be the norm and if you go back to the 70s we were picking up 70% of our points at home.

1967-1968     73%
1968-1969     52%
1969-1970     63%
1970-1971     70%
1971-1972     63%
1972-1973     74%
1973-1974     70%
1974-1975     76%
1975-1976     84%
1976-1977     80%
1977-1978     65%
1978-1979     57%
1979-1980     64%
1980-1981     63%
1981-1982     50%
1982-1983     72%
1983-1984     64%
1984-1985     65%
1985-1986     71%
1986-1987     52%
1987-1988     50%
1988-1989     64%
1989-1990     58%
1990-1991     61%
1991-1992     46%
1992-1993     66%
1993-1994     59%
1994-1995     66%
1995-1996     61%
1996-1997     61%
1997-1998     58%
1998-1999     64%
1999-2000     75%
2000-2001     65%
2001-2002     68%
2002-2003     54%
2003-2004     70%
2004-2005     59%
2005-2006     54%
2006-2007     63%
2007-2008     47%
2008-2009     61%
2009-2010     48%
2010-2011     53%
2011-2012     57%
2012-2013     53%
2013-2014     52%
2014-2015     46%
2015-2016     52%
2016-2017     53%
2017-2018     53%
2018-2019     20%

If you break it down per decade

70s 71%
80s 61%
90s 60%
00s 60%
10s 53% (excluding this season)

It's too simplistic to blame it on the default scapegoat of the directors (although I am sure some will). Are we getting better away, or just worse at home? It's clearly a long-term trend, but why???


It's the fans fauit, no atmosphere any more, can't see the trend changing for a while yet if ever
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