How long is 'transition'?

Quoted from Yoda

Fenty is working on a 30 year turn around.

Quoted from grimsby pete

We have to time our promotions so we enter the championship the same time we have our new ground,

Quoted from 1542

Are we seriously talking this Sh1te already!! We are not Feal Madrid and things takes time to click!!

Please get a grip, get behind MJ and let he go about his work with OUR FULL Support!!

Even Pep took a couple of seasons to get going!!

Please, a little more patience!!

UTM

Quoted from GrimRob

You can change formations and systems until the cows come home but you need a goal scorer.

Quoted from grimsby pete

We all want promotion but expecting a manager getting us promoted in HIS first full season as a manager is asking too much.

I will settle for mid table this season and I think we will do that.

Then go for a promotion push next season  if not the season after.

Quoted from 75

It's only division 4 FFS, we are Grimsby. Is it fair to say we are now the third best club in Lincolnshire? When are you people going to demand more?

Quoted from WokingMariner

Aren't we the third best-funded club in Lincolnshire though? The manager can only be expected to do on a par with where his budget puts him. All he can and do is put bums on seats and hope that the money in his pot keeps going up. Grimsby have never had big crowds, we were getting a lot less in the Championship than Lincoln are now.

Quoted from 75

Never in my life have we been the third best club in Lincolnshire. It's early days, but it really looks that way. That is very sad, humiliating and all under one mans watch. Along with relegation from the football league, two very near relegations from the football league. Countless spats with the media, flag deconstructions, fans forum embarrassments and now LINCOLN are a better club than we are. Come on, it's a joke when a club like that are better than we are.

Fenty out.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I don't know how embedded your tongue is in your cheek but this is the essence of the problem.

Fenty thought that paying off the tax debt would be his rite of passage whereas it has become the millstone around his neck and he is now desperately trying to claw back his benign loans rather than 'risk' further investment. While all this is going on, there is no news from him, the board or the mighty Extreme about the one thing that might offer a glimpse of a way out. Since Philip Day announced that we would be in the Championship in 5 years there has been nothing from the board - not a peep. By hook or by crook, they've found a bright, articulate manager that they can hide behind - and, guess what, that's exactly what they are doing. Leaders or losers?

Quoted from 75

Never in my life have we been the third best club in Lincolnshire. It's early days, but it really looks that way. That is very sad, humiliating and all under one mans watch. Along with relegation from the football league, two very near relegations from the football league. Countless spats with the media, flag deconstructions, fans forum embarrassments and now LINCOLN are a better club than we are. Come on, it's a joke when a club like that are better than we are.

Fenty out.

Quoted from Bigdog

If you look ar what Marcelo Bielsa has done with the same players that finished 13th at Leeds last season, he said six weeks is long enough to make that kind of difference on the training ground. Taking into account that MJ is no Bielsa and our players are not Championship level, I'd say we need to cut them quite a bit more slack than that length of time. But transition is a funny word. It can last as long as you want to believe you're in transition. There's so much squad churn at the lower end of the EFL with the handing out of so many one year contracts and poaching of their best players, that clubs can seem like they're perpetually in transition. The perception of being in transition can become a state of mind and an excuse for non-progression and everyone can have a different perspective. Here's mine for GTFC..

Now the transfer window has closed and we've a couple of new players in, I'd give MJ another couple of months to get the team playing in a more consistent and cohesive manner. From then on we should be acting like a well drilled mid-table side picking up points that a mid-table side should. This hopefully will be built upon in the January transfer window and following that and up until the end of the season, we start looking like a side that other clubs and other players respect in the division by winning more games consistently and playing a few teams off the park. We may not threaten the play offs but we need to give the impression that we could be a contender the following season. "Grimsby were pants the previous season, look how much MJ has improved them." We need to start looking like a progressive team even if we don't look like a progressive club. We then should be in a position to attract better players, our two year contract players will be fully bedded in and challenge in 2019/20, but it doesn't mean that I've written off this season as it's very early days yet.

Unless there are any really huge nasty bumps in the road regarding performances or points haul, as a young manager learning his trade, I think MJ should be given three seasons to get us out of this league. That will be enough time before seroius questions need to be asked of him..

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Quoted from Bigdog

If you look ar what Marcelo Bielsa has done with the same players that finished 13th at Leeds last season, he said six weeks is long enough to make that kind of difference on the training ground. Taking into account that MJ is no Bielsa and our players are not Championship level, I'd say we need to cut them quite a bit more slack than that length of time. But transition is a funny word. It can last as long as you want to believe you're in transition. There's so much squad churn at the lower end of the EFL with the handing out of so many one year contracts and poaching of their best players, that clubs can seem like they're perpetually in transition. The perception of being in transition can become a state of mind and an excuse for non-progression and everyone can have a different perspective. Look at how quickly the Lincoln fans used the "team in transition" excuse when we played them off the park when they're clearly not in transition. Here's mine view of in transition for GTFC..

Now the transfer window has closed and we've a couple of new players in, I'd give MJ another couple of months to get the team playing in a more consistent and cohesive manner. From then on we should be acting like a well drilled mid-table side picking up points that a mid-table side should. This hopefully will be built upon in the January transfer window and following that and up until the end of the season, we start looking like a side that other clubs and other players respect in the division by winning more games consistently and playing a few teams off the park. We may not threaten the play offs but we need to give the impression that we could be a contender the following season. "Grimsby were pants the previous season, look how much MJ has improved them." We need to start looking like a progressive team even if we don't look like a progressive club. We then should be in a position to attract better players, our two year contract players will be fully bedded in and challenge in 2019/20, but it doesn't mean that I've written off this season as it's very early days yet.

Unless there are any really huge nasty bumps in the road regarding performances or points haul, as a young manager learning his trade, I think MJ should be given three seasons to get us out of this league. Being as patient as I can be, that will be enough time before I'd ask serious questions of him..

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Quoted from MuddyWaters

Surely better players would be more attracted if our club seemed more progressive?

I started the season full of optimism but I've watched games against FGR & Yeovil, both of whom have also massively changed their squads, and both who have comprehensively outplayed us. It's more of the same - we start OK, don't score, crowd goes to sleep, opposition score - there's just this general malaise about GTFC. Any time there's a game of any consequence, the club put a different sound system in - why not every game? Some of us old tw@ts need stirring up!

I'm not expecting us to be world-beaters but we didn't look like scoring after the first 20 minutes yesterday. Surely the manager & coaches saw Yeovil dominate the 15 minutes up to half-time?

Quoted from Bigdog

Now, now. Patience OC. There's only six months left before spades will be breaking ground at Peaks Parkway as promised..

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Surely better players would be more attracted if our club seemed more progressive?

I started the season full of optimism but I've watched games against FGR & Yeovil, both of whom have also massively changed their squads, and both who have comprehensively outplayed us. It's more of the same - we start OK, don't score, crowd goes to sleep, opposition score - there's just this general malaise about GTFC. Any time there's a game of any consequence, the club put a different sound system in - why not every game? Some of us old tw@ts need stirring up!

I'm not expecting us to be world-beaters but we didn't look like scoring after the first 20 minutes yesterday. Surely the manager & coaches saw Yeovil dominate the 15 minutes up to half-time?

Quoted from 75

It's only division 4 FFS, we are Grimsby. Is it fair to say we are now the third best club in Lincolnshire? When are you people going to demand more?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I started the season full of optimism but I've watched games against FGR & Yeovil, both of whom have also massively changed their squads, and both who have comprehensively outplayed us.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Funny you should mention the sound system or lack of. We were saying the next we will see of that is when we must win a game to stay up. That is no reflection at all on Michael Jolley as I don't think for a minute we will be in any sort of trouble but that sums up the club mentality. Every single thing is reactive. What Lincoln have achieved on the back of one promotion from the Conference has been incredible, but I bet there is not one Town fan alive who expected our club to cash in our promotion in any way whatsoever.

Quoted from golfer

It's not them overtaking us-its us dropping behind. The reason there is not a bigger uproar over our performances is that it is expected that we are shite. We are in transition,takes time,we have no money to spend,our grounds falling down,training ground inadequate,Bignots fault,Slades fault,J.S.F.'s fault. Why do we keep making excuses. We deserve more than what is being served up. Our away following is more than a lot of division 1 clubs and what is our reward-call it what you like but it's shite served up on a platter

Quoted from kenlyn

I know the league  tables are nothing to go by at this time of year but we have played
5 teams ithat currently occupy the top 7.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

You can’t compare us to FGR as they are being run as a vanity project and have a level of funding and debt way beyond ours.

Quoted from Yoda

i think transition should be no more than 10 games if things are not improving by then it’s panic time.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Take a look at Crystal Palace last season, supposedly in a transitional period under Frank, went 7 games without a point, dumped him, brought in old codger hodgson who went back to basics and the rest is history as they say....I'm not saying sack MJ after 7 games but, this is now his squad and if by xmas we haven't started to pick up some serious points and are playing a more consistent starting 11/level of football I feel for his future...be such a shame though because I honestly believe in this man and his brand of football....

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

You can’t compare us to FGR as they are being run as a vanity project and have a level of funding and debt way beyond ours.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Proof that there's nothing wrong with an Old Codger.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Many a fine tune played on an old fiddle eh???😂😂😂😂

Quoted from ginnywings

I think if you look at Newport, who were on the verge of relegation 2 seasons ago, before appointing a young manager who saved them from the drop, the parallels are very similar. They had a season last year building on that,  finishing 11th with a negative goal difference, and have started this season very well. It's great for a club when a new manager comes in and hits the ground running like Cowley up the road, but it's usually a longer term project than that for most clubs.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Sadly, when I think of Day & Marley, all I can think of is Stadler & Waldorf - hence my cynicism. I've never met a 'progressive' accountant or solicitor yet.

Quoted from ginnywings

I think if you look at Newport, who were on the verge of relegation 2 seasons ago, before appointing a young manager who saved them from the drop, the parallels are very similar. They had a season last year building on that,  finishing 11th with a negative goal difference, and have started this season very well. It's great for a club when a new manager comes in and hits the ground running like Cowley up the road, but it's usually a longer term project than that for most clubs.

Quoted from StaffsMariner

Yeovil and FGR managers have had at least 5 transfer windows to change their teams.
MJ finished his 1st squad 2 days ago....thats it until January now so we have what we have.
Is the jigsaw complete? it's highly unlikely.
Just get behind the boys as the 12th man. It worked wonders at the end of last season, or was that the Jolley effect? coincidence?

Quoted from LH

Both have been helped by a slice of “football fortune” with cup runs.

Quoted from LH

Both have been helped by a slice of “football fortune” with cup runs.

Quoted from 75

We badly need a target man. Whether that man is Thomas remains to be seen. We have some good players, Hessenthaler, Cook, Vernam are key additions but I am not sure we have any proper wide players. I don't think MJ will go for a 4-4-2, I think he likes the flexibility and pure numbers of a five man midfield in some format. But you will need wide players in a 3-5-2 (his preferred IMO), or a 4-3-3.

Perhaps with Fox returning, and Hendrie he should give 3-5-2 a real go. It isn't just about formations though, it's about players and do we have the quality to bother the top seven? I honestly don't know, but we've started badly, that much is for sure.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

You enquired about Rhead just prior to deadline.

Quoted from Cloudy

What a load of bollox!

Quoted from Cloudy

What a load of bollox!

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Well think what you think, but he's played 14 minutes for us this season.
I was told 12 clubs enquired, and you were one, right at the end of the window.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You'd better ask Mrs Codger!

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Give it a rest, he'd never get his fat @rse out of Maccy Ds outside Blundell Park....

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Up to you what you believe I couldn't give a monkeys. Seems your playing quite direct now, so it may have some credence.
Regardless of his shape and size, I imagine his goal scoring record stands up well against your current strikers - 12 clubs wanted him so he can't be that bad.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

So where is he now if he was so wanted by other clubs??....

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

On our bench, I can only imagine he turned them down or DC wanted to keep him. I imagine dollar came in to it.
I would think quite a few of your fans would have him, not just the 30 or so that post on here who will say they wouldn't.

Quoted from Bigdog

True, but both Newport and Lincoln haven't sold their star striker for £1m without anything discernable to show for it..