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ginnywings
August 15, 2018, 1:16pm

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And you weren't exactly on your own either.  

I could be talking sh1te (no change there then), but wasn't it part of the follow up from the trouble at the Port Fail home game.  When a severe lack of Police inside the ground lead to the Vale fans attacking the Findus gates and some of the lads from the bar helped to fend them off !! So naturally the club decided to punish all the  fans that drink in that bar for their own c0ck up in failing to adhere to police advice and pay for a few inside the ground.  !!


While they carry on with their bar facilities, TV's, clean toilets and nice catering. A member up by them, yet they soldier on regardless, as usual.
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And you weren't exactly on your own either.  

I could be talking sh1te (no change there then), but wasn't it part of the follow up from the trouble at the Port Fail home game.  When a severe lack of Police inside the ground lead to the Vale fans attacking the Findus gates and some of the lads from the bar helped to fend them off !!  So naturally the club decided to punish all the  fans that drink in that bar for their own c0ck up in failing to adhere to police advice and pay for a few inside the ground.  !!


In the interests of fairness the actual decisions made since the Port Vale game were not made by the club. They were made by the S.A.G. (Safety Advisory Group) which I believe has the power to shut the ground down if their decisions are not adhered to. S.A.G.s are co-ordinated by the Local Authority but also include representatives of all the emergency services as well as event organisers (in this case GTFC)
Your version of what happened on that day is widely seen as being what actually happened but there is in existence CCTV footage which the S.A.G. have had access to which gives a different outlook.
As far as I'm aware the decision wasn't influenced in any way by the football authorities.
With the utmost respect to the O.P. and the bar staff, I suspect that our excellent bar staff are not involved in any of the discussions around safety policy.


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In the interests of fairness the actual decisions made since the Port Vale game were not made by the club. They were made by the S.A.G. (Safety Advisory Group) which I believe has the power to shut the ground down if their decisions are not adhered to. S.A.G.s are co-ordinated by the Local Authority but also include representatives of all the emergency services as well as event organisers (in this case GTFC)
Your version of what happened on that day is widely seen as being what actually happened but there is in existence CCTV footage which the S.A.G. have had access to which gives a different outlook.
As far as I'm aware the decision wasn't influenced in any way by the football authorities.
With the utmost respect to the O.P. and the bar staff, I suspect that our excellent bar staff are not involved in any of the discussions around safety policy.


Still doesn't alter the fact that decisions made before and during the incident, led to Port Vale fans being able to rampage around the ground unchecked. No police inside the ground, not enough stewards and the gate left open at the Findus end of the Osmond.
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In the interests of fairness the actual decisions made since the Port Vale game were not made by the club. They were made by the S.A.G. (Safety Advisory Group) which I believe has the power to shut the ground down if their decisions are not adhered to. S.A.G.s are co-ordinated by the Local Authority but also include representatives of all the emergency services as well as event organisers (in this case GTFC)
Your version of what happened on that day is widely seen as being what actually happened but there is in existence CCTV footage which the S.A.G. have had access to which gives a different outlook.
As far as I'm aware the decision wasn't influenced in any way by the football authorities.
With the utmost respect to the O.P. and the bar staff, I suspect that our excellent bar staff are not involved in any of the discussions around safety policy.


In which case Barra I will accept that the club itself did not make the decision. However, I do stand by my belief that had there been a police presence inside the ground, the incident would never had occurred. I whitnessed the behaviour of the Vale fans in Cleethorpes and would be very surprised if the police didn’t advise the club to have some of their officers present inside BP.  Whilst the ground manager/safety officer didn’t exactly force the Town fans to engage with the Vale fans, it is my belief that their negligence led to the incident being able to take place. I will quite happily apologise if that was not the case. But that is very much my opinion.


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I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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In which case Barra I will accept that the club itself did not make the decision. However, I do stand by my belief that had there been a police presence inside the ground, the incident would never had occurred. I whitnessed the behaviour of the Vale fans in Cleethorpes and would be very surprised if the police didn’t advise the club to have some of their officers present inside BP.  Whilst the ground manager/safety officer didn’t exactly force the Town fans to engage with the Vale fans, it is my belief that their negligence led to the incident being able to take place. I will quite happily apologise if that was not the case. But that is very much my opinion.


You are of course perfectly entitled to an opinion. My only interest was in pointing out that the actual decision wasn't made by the club and thereby correcting that particular misunderstanding.


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Still doesn't alter the fact that decisions made before and during the incident, led to Port Vale fans being able to rampage around the ground unchecked. No police inside the ground, not enough stewards and the gate left open at the Findus end of the Osmond.


My I refer my learned friend to the answer given below to Civvy Q.C.  


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