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Gainsbro_Mariner
August 13, 2018, 12:34pm

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Just reading an article on Cook following on from the weekend. He credits MJ and AL with his goal with Jolley encouraging him to hit it when he got a yard of space.

Limbrick also made a video of all his career goals during the week to give him confidence to go out there and have a dig. I think it shows good man management when coaches can work on a players mental confidence and not just focus on physical work.

To be fair after the FGR defeat I just couldn’t work out what Jordan Cook is, he looked like a winger lost playing in the wrong position. I certainly couldn’t work out his inclusion over Vernam, and again at the weekend I was quite puzzled. But it shows you that the coaching staff see things we don’t and obviously the mental preparation they put in on Cook led them to put their confidence in him.


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August 13, 2018, 12:37pm
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I'd love to have a forward line with both Cook and Vernam buzzing around the top. They're both quick, intelligent and skillful players, they'll cause problems for the meatheads in this division.


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I like the look of him. Quick, mean, intelligent and technically good. He did quite well against FGR and my Luton supporting mate and scout really rates him, as did their manager. I said before the Macc game that I think he'll have a good season and that him linking with Vernham would potentially be our strongest offensive asset, at least in this early part of the campaign.


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I agree that both Cook and Vernham are talented players, but to be seen at their absolute best they need to play off a target man IMO, I think when we get that target  man, either.on loan, or the next transfer window, we will be a force in this division.
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I think there's too much of an obsession with us having to have a target man. There's plenty of successful clubs that don't even have one in their squad let alone team. Football's moved on, smaller more agile players are equally as adept at holding the ball up by being quicker off the mark and can be much more of a challenge to centre halves compared to typical target men..
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He was completely anonymous against FGR so hopefully this goal will encourage him to kick on.


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Quoted from Bigdog
I think there's too much of an obsession with us having to have a target man. There's plenty of successful clubs that don't even have one in their squad let alone team. Football's moved on, smaller more agile players are equally as adept at holding the ball up by being quicker off the mark and can be much more of a challenge to centre halves compared to typical target men..


This.
There are many ways to play football. Several on here (not saying this was the case in this thread) seem obsessed with 442, with out and out wingers, and the need for a target man. Im currently listening to 'Inverting the pyramid' and its fascinating to hear the progression of tactics and formations, and England constantly lagging of the progression made elsewhere. The problem seems even worse down the leagues - I can just imagine the yelling if we passed it about at the back for 3 or 4 passes to draw a team out....
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Quoted from psgmariner
He was completely anonymous against FGR so hopefully this goal will encourage him to kick on.


as said by many....Ronaldo would have been anonymous against FGR if he got the service Cook and Hooper did that day.


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Quoted from Bigdog
I think there's too much of an obsession with us having to have a target man. There's plenty of successful clubs that don't even have one in their squad let alone team. Football's moved on, smaller more agile players are equally as adept at holding the ball up by being quicker off the mark and can be much more of a challenge to centre halves compared to typical target men..

Yes but this only works if you play the right type of pass, as evidenced by the FGR game, when things aren't going well there is still a tendency to  launch itstraight down the throats of the opposing centre backs, that's no use to Cook or Vernam, clearly Mr Jolley realises this, which is why he apparently went after Bowman  and Angol, target man types who will bring Cook and Vernam into the game with lay offs, I understand your point, but personally I think we need a focal point up front.
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got that bad feeling against FGR that he was one of them players that just run around a lot but wasn't actually any good.

Got that good feeling against Macc that he was a very good player, great first touch, held it up well with his back to goal and turned the defenders more that once


Basically its hard to judge any of the players so early but i definetly see enough of him against Macclesfield to be encouraged
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Nathan Jones described him at Luton as 'the best footballer at the club'


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A good player in the RIGHT position and the RIGHT service
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I think the term 'target man' can cover a number of bases.

If you're thinking about a big lump up top to punt the ball towards endlessly, then it's not ideal if you want to see a bit more passing and movement.

However, this is no doubt that a good big 'un will tend to do better than a good little 'un, especially at this level where the referees let all sorts of manhandling go on. I think we definitely need, if not a 'target man', somebody with a bit more of a physical presence who can hold off some of the massive meathead defenders you get at this level as well as challenging for aerial balls when required. I'm thinking more of a Lumpaldinho sort of a player than the archetypal meaty centre forward who uses his head and his elbows more than his feet.

Hooper is a reasonable size but doesn't seem to have the nouse to use his body well enough against big defenders, though he did very well playing up against the line at the end of last season - probably because most full-backs aren't big enough to dominate him aerially or physically.

I think it would be very helpful to have somebody who can provide a bit more physicality, whether through strength on the ball or an LJL-alike who is quick and will challenge for everything and run his bits off as well as linking up play a bit.

I think we've got some skilful footballers in Cook and Vernam, but it might need a big 'un to help create the space and opportunities for them to show these skills.
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Quoted from Maringer
I think the term 'target man' can cover a number of bases.



I think it would be very helpful to have somebody who can provide a bit more physicality, whether through strength on the ball or an LJL-alike who is quick and will challenge for everything and run his bits off as well as linking up play a bit.

I think we've got some skilful footballers in Cook and Vernam, but it might need a big 'un to help create the space and opportunities for them to show these skills.



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August 14, 2018, 10:05am

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For all his faults the shop was an absolute battering ram of a player and would suit our style to a tee
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August 14, 2018, 10:09am

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Oh and before the red crosses, I'm not suggesting that we get him back, that bridge has been crossed, just thinking he did not warrant the stick he got here
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He scored on Saturday anyway.


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I'd have the shop back in a shot.... As Garth said I think he's tailor made for the system we're playing!


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I'd have the Shop back if he was the same player that he was when he left. Not sure he's been the same since his injury at Newport - 27 starts in 3 years ain't much, even if he seems to have come on as a sub almost every game last season!
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