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As an exile I did not witness what was clearly a performance so far from acceptable that most people seem genuinely shocked. However, no matter how bad that was, we surely need to give MJ a good deal of support.

As both his supporters and critics point out, he is an inexperienced manager. He will make mistakes. Clearly some have been made, which resulted in Saturdays performance. We simply do not yet know whether he is going to turn out to be a great, good, average or poor manager. Realistically we probably won't know for at least 5 years. Even if he turns out to be a great manager, he will still make a lot of mistakes over the next few weeks, months and years. Can anyone out there say that they don't look back on their early days in new roles and see lots of mistakes?

Personally, I am thrilled that we appointed someone with a high level of qualifications, who is clearly intelligent enough to consider many key aspects of what makes a successful side, and has a level of charisma which has endeared him to (most) fans and new signings alike.

Many (most?) voices on here were indeed echoing we need to give him time, with this years minimum target perhaps being consolidation in midtable. However, there seems to be some almost impossible requirement that despite finishing say mid table, we will win lots of games, play well in nearly all games, create lots of chances and score lots of goals, show we are usually better than the opposition, etc. It just doesn't work like that. If we finish midtable, we will look like world betters in a few games, look truly horrendous in others, and often be somewhere in the middle. If we are to achieve success, it will likely be a slow process as the bell curve of performances very slowly moves towards the positive.

I wish we could just all agree to get behind the manager, staff and the players this season, offering genuine 100% positive support for a period of time. This would give the whole team the time to learn from mistakes and improve, as well as making the crowd a genuine advantage in the bad games, as well as the good.
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MJ has said he wants another "window" to complete this year's squad, so we have to go along with the long game and deal with the highs and lows along the way. Sat was a low by the way.
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I don’t know how people can moan, MJ didn’t get us going to the last 5 games of the season last season and I honestly believe if it wasn’t for MJ being here at the back end of last season we would be a non league team today.

We have got quite a new team, there going to need time to gel, yes Saturdays performance was unforgivable but let’s give the team time.

Rome wasn’t built over night.

Hopefully a proven goal scorer in before the window shuts and a couple of additions at WB.


We can’t base the season off one game.
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dont think any one is calling for his head on a block. just everyone could see that that was totally the wrong team, and set up to send out , and as he will soon learn .fans will let him know what we think good or bad.. But i do think  the gray goalkeepers kit needs binning today. Totally stupid and i am sure collins thought the steward was macca.
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dont think any one is calling for his head on a block. just everyone could see that that was totally the wrong team, and set up to send out , and as he will soon learn .fans will let him know what we think good or bad.. But i do think  the gray goalkeepers kit needs binning today. Totally stupid and i am sure collins thought the steward was macca.


Why would he think that the steward was macca when he had been passing the ball back to him throughout the match with no problems.  Surely he knows the difference between orange and grey?  From what I saw of the highlights, it didn't look like collins was looking in the direction of the goal when he passed it back!



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I honestly think that me and many of us and maybe the team too took too much for granted over Fgr. They will have come to us wanting revenge for last game of last season and also that day at Wembley. They have spent a great amount over summer as many others have said due to vince ploughing money in. Sat was bad but I think that this season will be productive especially when proven goal scorer is brought in.
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One thing we can all be sure about is that MJ will have taken Saturdays result badly . It’s clear that he’s a bloke who’s got a lot of ambition and won’t accept shi.te unlike some of previous managers and will be doing everything to get it right . One game doesn’t mean fook all , it was just the shock of the second half performance that’s surprised everyone.


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I don’t know how people can moan, MJ didn’t get us going to the last 5 games of the season last season and I honestly believe if it wasn’t for MJ being here at the back end of last season we would be a non league team today.

We have got quite a new team, there going to need time to gel, yes Saturdays performance was unforgivable but let’s give the team time.

Rome wasn’t built over night.

Hopefully a proven goal scorer in before the window shuts and a couple of additions at WB.


We can’t base the season off one game.


FFS

FGR seemed to have gelled OK.
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I don't think I and many others took FGR for granted, we just expected to see a competitive game win or lose, what made me feel embarrassed hurt and basically ashamed was the spectacle that was served up, forty years of supporting Town and I've never seen so many people leave so early, I doubt a bomb scare would have been so effective. Its gone now and it's history, but the players and management somehow need to pay back the large support with a display that will ease some of the shock and hurt, over to you
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As an exile I did not witness what was clearly a performance so far from acceptable that most people seem genuinely shocked. However, no matter how bad that was, we surely need to give MJ a good deal of support.

As both his supporters and critics point out, he is an inexperienced manager. He will make mistakes. Clearly some have been made, which resulted in Saturdays performance. We simply do not yet know whether he is going to turn out to be a great, good, average or poor manager. Realistically we probably won't know for at least 5 years. Even if he turns out to be a great manager, he will still make a lot of mistakes over the next few weeks, months and years. Can anyone out there say that they don't look back on their early days in new roles and see lots of mistakes?

Personally, I am thrilled that we appointed someone with a high level of qualifications, who is clearly intelligent enough to consider many key aspects of what makes a successful side, and has a level of charisma which has endeared him to (most) fans and new signings alike.

Many (most?) voices on here were indeed echoing we need to give him time, with this years minimum target perhaps being consolidation in midtable. However, there seems to be some almost impossible requirement that despite finishing say mid table, we will win lots of games, play well in nearly all games, create lots of chances and score lots of goals, show we are usually better than the opposition, etc. It just doesn't work like that. If we finish midtable, we will look like world betters in a few games, look truly horrendous in others, and often be somewhere in the middle. If we are to achieve success, it will likely be a slow process as the bell curve of performances very slowly moves towards the positive.

I wish we could just all agree to get behind the manager, staff and the players this season, offering genuine 100% positive support for a period of time. This would give the whole team the time to learn from mistakes and improve, as well as making the crowd a genuine advantage in the bad games, as well as the good.


He will be judged on results. On the face of it he seems our best hope of salvation for quite some time, but then again some of us thought that about Newell and Slade, but he will be judged like any manager on what happens on the field. Obviously he is well aware of that.

If results are shocking, then he will be sacked. If we are mid table and holding our own he will be given time, and if he does very well he will be poached! Take your pick of those which you prefer.
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On the plus side we're only 21st in the league because of goal difference!

The season's a marathon, not a sprint, so there's time yet to hopefully undo the poor display on Saturday. Am sure MJ and his management team will not want to see the fans streaming out of BP in their hundreds as they did on Saturday. I am fairly confident the issues will be addressed and we'll see a totally different performance on Saturday.


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Think it was a shock to jolleys system as much as it was ours, one lives in hope that he has the ability to learn, bloody quickly might I add, from the debacle that occured on Saturday.
I did wonder if it was "a rabbit in the headlights" situation but nearly all that team have played at grounds and for teams larger than ours so I doubt it completely...
Think the thing that happened was blind panic, the ball became a hot potato at our players feet and they couldn't wait to get rid, which it seemed every time they passed to a FGR player..
So in summary, yes MJ put the plan.in place but the players bottled it,  booted it as far as they dare hoping beyond all hope that our 5' 9" front man got his head on it!!...
If by xmas nothing has changed then things have to be looked at, very carefully....
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All this about managers today and their scientific coaching methods FA badges etc etc making them a better breed of manager is total BS. If it was possible to take Buckley from 1988 and put him in charge of this team pre- season I would put my mortgage on it that we wouldn't of played and lost so badly.


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As an exile I did not witness what was clearly a performance so far from acceptable that most people seem genuinely shocked. However, no matter how bad that was, we surely need to give MJ a good deal of support.

As both his supporters and critics point out, he is an inexperienced manager. He will make mistakes. Clearly some have been made, which resulted in Saturdays performance. We simply do not yet know whether he is going to turn out to be a great, good, average or poor manager. Realistically we probably won't know for at least 5 years. Even if he turns out to be a great manager, he will still make a lot of mistakes over the next few weeks, months and years. Can anyone out there say that they don't look back on their early days in new roles and see lots of mistakes?

Personally, I am thrilled that we appointed someone with a high level of qualifications, who is clearly intelligent enough to consider many key aspects of what makes a successful side, and has a level of charisma which has endeared him to (most) fans and new signings alike.

Many (most?) voices on here were indeed echoing we need to give him time, with this years minimum target perhaps being consolidation in midtable. However, there seems to be some almost impossible requirement that despite finishing say mid table, we will win lots of games, play well in nearly all games, create lots of chances and score lots of goals, show we are usually better than the opposition, etc. It just doesn't work like that. If we finish midtable, we will look like world betters in a few games, look truly horrendous in others, and often be somewhere in the middle. If we are to achieve success, it will likely be a slow process as the bell curve of performances very slowly moves towards the positive.

I wish we could just all agree to get behind the manager, staff and the players this season, offering genuine 100% positive support for a period of time. This would give the whole team the time to learn from mistakes and improve, as well as making the crowd a genuine advantage in the bad games, as well as the good.


For the benefit of doubt, Saturday was in the 'truly horrendous' category.
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I think MJ is a very well educated young man with loads of idea's on how to play the game,

The problem might be that the players are not.


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One of the few Town players who would fit into FGR's positive, quick passing game is Hessenthaler. Throughout preseason he foraged for the ball, linked with forwards and attacked the box. Seems one of the fittest in the squad too.
If it was right to omit the out of sorts Fox, surely it was logical to play in form players especially at home?
I am hugely supportive of MJ and expect that someone had watched FGR and reported back. Gunning needed attacking on the deck from half time as he was in total command in the air.
The Cowleys were taking plenty of notes in the Upper Youngs when we played Donny and will have seen how we pass it around too much in our own half.
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The problem might be that the players are not.


Well last season he managed to get Slade's rubbish playing well but took him 5 games. I think we need to remember that the last 5 games of last season was 4 wins and a draw so his methods do work. He just needs a little time to get his new players working in his system.

And for people to tell him what to do and change back to 4-2-2 after 1 match is crazy. He's the manager and the future - a real breath of fresh air. Yes we played bad on Saturday, Forest Green looked good but for the two stupid goals given away it would not have seemed as bad. Still no points.

Even if no one else is looking forward to Saturday (although I'm sure the majority are) I am. I support Town and I believe that we will start to play well (and that Saturday was one of those nightmare games) And if we don't win I won't be calling for MJ's head. Anyone who is needs to take a long hard look at where Town should be going. We would be non league without MJ and that was a certainty. And that would have been bad.
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I think MJ is a very well educated young man with loads of idea's on how to play the game,

The problem might be that the players are not.


The problem might be that the players were able to play it in pre season, we advertised how we were going to play, FGR scouted us and worked out our weaknesses.
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Michael Jolley will get plenty of time because it isn't us who decide and Mr Fenty has a history of sticking with managers in general.
Would love to know what Mr Fenty thought of Saturdays performance though.


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As an exile I did not witness what was clearly a performance so far from acceptable that most people seem genuinely shocked. However, no matter how bad that was, we surely need to give MJ a good deal of support.

As both his supporters and critics point out, he is an inexperienced manager. He will make mistakes. Clearly some have been made, which resulted in Saturdays performance. We simply do not yet know whether he is going to turn out to be a great, good, average or poor manager. Realistically we probably won't know for at least 5 years. Even if he turns out to be a great manager, he will still make a lot of mistakes over the next few weeks, months and years. Can anyone out there say that they don't look back on their early days in new roles and see lots of mistakes?

Personally, I am thrilled that we appointed someone with a high level of qualifications, who is clearly intelligent enough to consider many key aspects of what makes a successful side, and has a level of charisma which has endeared him to (most) fans and new signings alike.

Many (most?) voices on here were indeed echoing we need to give him time, with this years minimum target perhaps being consolidation in midtable. However, there seems to be some almost impossible requirement that despite finishing say mid table, we will win lots of games, play well in nearly all games, create lots of chances and score lots of goals, show we are usually better than the opposition, etc. It just doesn't work like that. If we finish midtable, we will look like world betters in a few games, look truly horrendous in others, and often be somewhere in the middle. If we are to achieve success, it will likely be a slow process as the bell curve of performances very slowly moves towards the positive.

I wish we could just all agree to get behind the manager, staff and the players this season, offering genuine 100% positive support for a period of time. This would give the whole team the time to learn from mistakes and improve, as well as making the crowd a genuine advantage in the bad games, as well as the good.


Exactly, completely agree post of the week  


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I think Saturday was a wake-up call for him. He has had three months of unadulterated hero worship and he now has glimpsed the dark side of the job. None of our recent managers has really figured out how to get the best out of Blundell Park, it's been years since we had a really decent home record.


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So glad I chose the Upper Youngs for my first ever ST. I had flirted with the romantic notion of sitting in the famous old Main stand but eyesight issues forced a more pragmatic approach.
I am used to embarrassing behaviour from our fans on trains, in pubs and away grounds but we are generally kept under close watch. There seems to be a growing issue here for closer stewarding allied to a joint campaign with the club, Trust and SLO to remind fans of their responsibilities in areas where there are families, fans with disabilities and players relatives.
There are no police around ( let's not start on that today) and no clear club or EFL policy on signage, in the programme or anywhere.
Let's take legal advice, confer with EFL and fan groups and draft a policy.
If I stand up too long or sit in the wrong seat I can expect a swift reaction in most grounds. Why do we allow the stain of foulmouthed personal abuse to continue?
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So glad I chose the Upper Youngs for my first ever ST. I had flirted with the romantic notion of sitting in the famous old Main stand but eyesight issues forced a more pragmatic approach.
I am used to embarrassing behaviour from our fans on trains, in pubs and away grounds but we are generally kept under close watch. There seems to be a growing issue here for closer stewarding allied to a joint campaign with the club, Trust and SLO to remind fans of their responsibilities in areas where there are families, fans with disabilities and players relatives.
There are no police around ( let's not start on that today) and no clear club or EFL policy on signage, in the programme or anywhere.
Let's take legal advice, confer with EFL and fan groups and draft a policy.
If I stand up too long or sit in the wrong seat I can expect a swift reaction in most grounds. Why do we allow the stain of foulmouthed personal abuse to continue?


It's nothing compared to some places. You shouldn't be a manager if you cannot accept hostility. Look at the crowds reaction at any ground in the country when they concede a goal. It is not nice and cannot be condoned but peoples anger gets the better of them and they vent it on players, managers or whoever is in their way. I would prefer it 1950's style of "bad luck Jolley old man lets show them next time..." but it is not going to happen in this day and age.
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So glad I chose the Upper Youngs for my first ever ST. I had flirted with the romantic notion of sitting in the famous old Main stand but eyesight issues forced a more pragmatic approach.
I am used to embarrassing behaviour from our fans on trains, in pubs and away grounds but we are generally kept under close watch. There seems to be a growing issue here for closer stewarding allied to a joint campaign with the club, Trust and SLO to remind fans of their responsibilities in areas where there are families, fans with disabilities and players relatives.
There are no police around ( let's not start on that today) and no clear club or EFL policy on signage, in the programme or anywhere.
Let's take legal advice, confer with EFL and fan groups and draft a policy.
If I stand up too long or sit in the wrong seat I can expect a swift reaction in most grounds. Why do we allow the stain of foulmouthed personal abuse to continue?


Christ on a bike - 5800 Town fans shell out 20 quid each to watch a shower of shite and they're supposed to inanely clap & sing Ra Ra Up the Town whilst we get torn a new one by a team we beat 3-0 about 3 months ago?
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Christ on a bike - 5800 Town fans shell out 20 quid each to watch a shower of shite and they're supposed to inanely clap & sing Ra Ra Up the Town whilst we get torn a new one by a team we beat 3-0 about 3 months ago?


Less for me.....I bought a season ticket  



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My 6 year old lads first visit to the Ponny has resulted in him walking round the house singing “your support is fu.cking s.hit “ at every opportunity . Much to my wife’s amusement..


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'Christ on a bike - 5800 Town fans shell out 20 quid each to watch a shower of shite and they're supposed to inanely clap & sing Ra Ra Up the Town whilst we get torn a new one by a team we beat 3-0 about 3 months ago?'



You know I was referencing the more extreme examples or do you think there are no limits?
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My 6 year old lads first visit to the Ponny has resulted in him walking round the house singing “your support is fu.cking s.hit “ at every opportunity . Much to my wife’s amusement..


A Town fan in the making.
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FFS

FGR seemed to have gelled OK.


Cooper's been building this team for over two years. He was installed before the Wembley game (just taking a back seat while the other bloke failed).


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A Town fan in the making.



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Some have pressed the panic button already , and as for the personal abuse i will not be taking my grandsons again it was totally out of order, the rantings of a disturbed individual screaming out of control . Give it sometime I'm not saying tolerate a 20 plus game losing streak but let's see what the changes which will take place bring.
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Appreciate what you're saying Townee, but if all sensible people left wouldn't that exacerbate the problem? We'd just be left with mouth foaming loonies.


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Appreciate what you're saying Townee, but if all sensible people left wouldn't that exacerbate the problem? We'd just be left with mouth foaming loonies.


My grandchildren are at a impressionable age and being subject to this behaviour is not how adults should be portrayed when the molding of their minds is taking place there's no place for this in a family atmosphere no wonder their are so many yobs about .
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My grandchildren are at a impressionable age and being subject to this behaviour is not how adults should be portrayed when the molding of their minds is taking place there's no place for this in a family atmosphere no wonder their are so many yobs about .


Every football ground is the same - it's not just a Grimsby thing. But each to their own, it's up to you but I would explain that some people use expletives when they feel passionately about something - let's face it, you've got to be passionate or slightly bonkers to support Town.
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Every football ground is the same - it's not just a Grimsby thing. But each to their own, it's up to you but I would explain that some people use expletives when they feel passionately about something - let's face it, you've got to be passionate or slightly bonkers to support Town.


It was not just the expletives it was the crazed manner of the man it goes beyond anything a human beings behaviour is expected to be
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It was not just the expletives it was the crazed manner of the man it goes beyond anything a human beings behaviour is expected to be


Sorry to hear this and even sorrier it wasn`t picked up and dealt with by the stewards.Did you bring it to their attention?
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Time to reconsider the parameters of Clubs 'deal' with Humberside Police. The Family/ Disability/ Press/ Dugouts/ Match Officials zones all need careful monitoring. If this extreme behaviour was by the directors and sponsors seating perhaps there might be more intervention?
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It was not just the expletives it was the crazed manner of the man it goes beyond anything a human beings behaviour is expected to be


I'm in full agreement with you. I have even witnessed full grown men with young children hurl the most vile abuse the manager and players. It does make you wonder what these young children will grow up like.

I do think it's time the club took a stronger position on this and inform stewards to, initially, warn people of such behaviour and if it continues, then to eject them from the ground. I have no problem with people being passionate but surely you can be passionate without having to hurl vitriotoc abuse at people.



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Ground regulations:

9 The use of threatening behaviour, foul or abusive language is strictly forbidden and will result in arrest and/or ejection from the Ground. The Club may impose a ban for one or more Matches.

Has this EVER been enforced? Threatening maybe but foul and abusive language is the norm.


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Ground regulations:

9 The use of threatening behaviour, foul or abusive language is strictly forbidden and will result in arrest and/or ejection from the Ground. The Club may impose a ban for one or more Matches.

Has this EVER been enforced? Threatening maybe but foul and abusive language is the norm.


A lot of it comes down to self restraint.I was sat next to a Father and his daughter probably aged 7-8 on Saturday.I said to him I hope the Ref as a good game and I will try and behave etc and I managed to keep a lid on any foul language.Had he not been there I would almost certainly have let rip a couple of times notably the own goal. Now my point is you don`t need to yell abuse it serves no purpose other than to vent the spleen and make you feel better it wouldn`t have helped Collins or Macca or the result but I would have felt happier having got the your sh1t opinion out of my system.5800 in the ground nearly all would have had that opinion but only dozens maybe a 100 would have actually shouted it out.Football is an emotive game it`s why we love it but it brings out the best and worst in people GTFC losing ruins my weekend and has done for over 40 years.
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Unfortunately you get the same behaviour in Freshney Place on a Saturday. This town has more than it's fair share of scum
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Well that match certainty ruined my weekend, such an embarrassment it would have made the pope swear
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[quote=6]Well that match certainty ruined my weekend, such an embarrassment it would have made the pope swear [/quote]


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My grandchildren are at a impressionable age and being subject to this behaviour is not how adults should be portrayed when the molding of their minds is taking place there's no place for this in a family atmosphere no wonder their are so many yobs about .


It's not done any of my children any harm. I don't think it did me any harm growing up either. I'm sure plenty of people who've witnessed and heard bad behaviour haven't grown up as yobs as a result.

There are much more insidious influences on how long people develop than a few loonies at football matches. And the sad thing is, those influences are seen as perfectly acceptable by 'normal, law-abiding' people.


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It's not done any of my children any harm. I don't think it did me any harm growing up either. I'm sure plenty of people who've witnessed and heard bad behaviour haven't grown up as yobs as a result.

There are much more insidious influences on how long people develop than a few loonies at football matches. And the sad thing is, those influences are seen as perfectly acceptable by 'normal, law-abiding' people.


I agree KM. it is seen as acceptable by a far too many people, including it seems by a number of people on here who just come out with the same old line about it happening at every football club and that we are no different.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.

Just because it happens elsewhere does not make it acceptable. Of course people are allowed to grumble and complain about the product in front of them, and they can do that loudly if they want. But some of the personal and vile abuse I have heard at games is very little to do with what they are watching, it is more to do with idiots trying to look cool in front of their mates or to those around them or to make them look ‘hard’, whereas the only thing that looks hard about them is the pertruding member sticking out of their forehead.

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It's not done any of my children any harm. I don't think it did me any harm growing up either. I'm sure plenty of people who've witnessed and heard bad behaviour haven't grown up as yobs as a result.

There are much more insidious influences on how long people develop than a few loonies at football matches. And the sad thing is, those influences are seen as perfectly acceptable by 'normal, law-abiding' people.


You're correct, but there was a poster talking about his young son walking around the house singing "your support is f*cking sh1t". Whilst it is funny, I wouldn't want my kids doing that. Being around people who aggressively abuse our own manager and players, or anybody, will rub off on impressionable young minds as if it is normal or acceptable. Doesn't mean they'll grow up to be yobs, but I don't want children to be around that sort of environment.
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You're correct, but there was a poster talking about his young son walking around the house singing "your support is f*cking sh1t". Whilst it is funny, I wouldn't want my kids doing that. Being around people who aggressively abuse our own manager and players, or anybody, will rub off on impressionable young minds as if it is normal or acceptable. Doesn't mean they'll grow up to be yobs, but I don't want children to be around that sort of environment.


My pal realist will be inviting us to a BBQ soon where he will aggressively abuse 3k supporters he just likes to be different
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Well that match certainty ruined my weekend, such an embarrassment it would have made the pope swear


I do not swear my son-  "ut benedicat tibi "
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You're correct, but there was a poster talking about his young son walking around the house singing "your support is f*cking sh1t". Whilst it is funny, I wouldn't want my kids doing that. Being around people who aggressively abuse our own manager and players, or anybody, will rub off on impressionable young minds as if it is normal or acceptable. Doesn't mean they'll grow up to be yobs, but I don't want children to be around that sort of environment.


It's been going on for all the time I've been watching live football at every ground I've been to for over 50 years.
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I think Grimsby is worse for this than most clubs in the country ……… Dixon was being abused ten minutes into the season FFS
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I was in the upper findus and I must say I thought Dixon did ok in spells but his concentration for a player who has played in the championship was terrible, several times he switched off as there player just ghosted past him and on 1 occasion Reid nearly scored.  He is slow, looks like he has put weight on and didn't look at all interested.

Although not many players came out of Saturdays defeat with any credit, for me we just looked leggy, maybe due to the lesser number of pre-season games.




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I was in the upper findus and I must say I thought Dixon did ok in spells but his concentration for a player who has played in the championship was terrible, several times he switched off as there player just ghosted past him and on 1 occasion Reid nearly scored.  He is slow, looks like he has put weight on and didn't look at all interested.

Although not many players came out of Saturdays defeat with any credit, for me we just looked leggy, maybe due to the lesser number of pre-season games.


Blimey Meza, if that summary is when he did ok in spells, I would love to see what you say when he has a shocker 😉
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Blimey Meza, if that summary is when he did ok in spells, I would love to see what you say when he has a shocker 😉


haha that's tame...your not the one sat next my dad  




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I think Grimsby is worse for this than most clubs in the country ……… Dixon was being abused ten minutes into the season FFS


Oh the irony. You do realise what 'FFS' mean?


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