Hursty

Seems to be endearing himself to the Ipswich fans and players and clearly trying to show who's boss.

Non-GTFC I know but still an interesting story IMO.

Also states he's had a £400k bid turned down for Connor Townsend!

http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/knudsen-contract-talks-not-top-priority-for-hurst-1-5623239

Why does everyone want to male masturbation off over Hurst still?

Quoted from Kris2

Why does everyone want to male masturbation off over Hurst still?

I never wanted to "male masturbation" over Hurst when he was here     

Quoted from Kris2

Why does everyone want to male masturbation off over Hurst still?

This is a football forum, that was a football story regarding an ex-GTFC employee!

Is there a difference between this thread and the one about Macca getting the job as Sunny under-16's coach or Scott Vernon joining Clee Town?

Hope we get him in a cup run this season

Though the interest in Hurst is subsiding for me, I have to admit feeling very curious with all things Shrewsbury last year, as a football fan, the progress they made, with the ex GTFC players in their squad was good work and I certainly applauded Hurst from afar. Missing his gentle touch and soothing demeanour as we struggled on with an ol’ slap head. I wasted at least four boxes of Kleenex last season.

He’s done well got all the way to the championship without winning a meaningful promotion reminds me of slade really 😳 and like slade I personally think he’ll struggle at this level , but not that bothered either way 👍

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

He’s done well got all the way to the championship without winning a meaningful promotion

Eh? So you don't consider his most recent promotion to be meaningful? It sure meant a lot to me!

When you read the report on Hurst's transfer involvements it just highlights the differences in the amounts of money available [ millions that Bristol City can fork out ] compared to money that is being made available to Town. Scunthorpe rejecting £400K for Townsend on gates no more than ours. Is there something I am missing

As much as I have a vague interest in knowing how he fares with Ipswich this season, I am more interested to see how Shrewsbury fare without him.

Quoted from golfer

When you read the report on Hurst's transfer involvements it just highlights the differences in the amounts of money available [ millions that Bristol City can fork out ] compared to money that is being made available to Town. Scunthorpe rejecting £400K for Townsend on gates no more than ours. Is there something I am missing

Eveything else aside I would imagine Scunny are raking in 2-3 times the tv revenue of Town at least? Last season Scunny were on live at least 3 times not sure what payment that gets but bound to be substantial?

Also, I don't think we've won a single cup game since we got back in the league, which won't have helped the budget at all.

Quoted from hheh2

Hope we get him in a cup run this season

It would be worth it for the inevitable goal celebration from the Town fans. 👂

For anyone interested in reading about Hurst, there's a very open and interesting interview with him in the East Anglia Times >

http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/paul-hurst-the-big-interview-1-5631473

Great read I thought.

However, his take on wanting players to hate losing more than they love winning was very interesting. Wonder if that leads to his cautious nature and that of his teams here which often saw us appear to settle for a point & not take many calculated risks to push on for a win?
Might point to why we often went on decent "unbeaten" runs but never any good "winning" runs. Where we'd be unbeaten in 7 but 4 of them were draws and such like.

Not intended as a criticism of PH. It's something that arguably works for him as he's progressed his career relatively quickly. But you could always question what could he have done better (as any professional would ask of themselves).

And his "hate losing more than you love winning" mantra is probably great for firefighting jobs like when he went into Shrewsbury when they were in s relegation battle. But maybe if you're at the top end of the league that needs to evolve into a "winning" mentality rather than a "not losing" mentality. Just my opinion. And I might be reading too much into it. Sports psychologists might have more insight than me.

That article is a great read. I see your point Tommy about his hate losing mantra but this is a guy with a 50% win rate as manager. The great Alan Buckley had a 38% win rate and an unblemished reform with no relegations.

He always had us fighting for a play off place (1st full season aside) and his win rate (combined with Rob Scott) was 47.5%. We drew 3 games more than we lost over his time here. His record at Shrewsbury was similar and that achieved a play off place, which Ipswich fans would snap your hand off for right now.

Your argument is one that will always be there to be debated because going for a win is going to prove unsuccessful sometimes too and result in being hit on the break. I guess it is finding that balance and is the difference between automatic promotion and mid table.

Would you rather see your team lose 4-3 going for the win or draw 1-1?

He's just said what everyone worked out for themselves while he was here. He's a percentage manager, who is happy to get to the play offs and gamble from there. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. He's not yet won outright promotion from a league and he may never achieve that, but he certainly knows how to organise teams, and how to further his career in the process. Not sure the fans will tolerate his style, the higher he climbs.

He’s progressed to an IPad.....

Let's be honest Hurst served a tough apprenticeship here but he did ok and it has served him well.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Let's be honest Hurst served a tough apprenticeship here but he did ok and it has served him well.

Think that`s a very fair and apt assessment.

When he was here I remember him saying that as a player he always got the most satisfaction out of those 1-0 smash 'n'  grab style wins where it was backs to the wall for most of the game.  I think a lot of that came through as a manager too.

When all is said and done, he's managing in the Championship now and we've spent the last two years wondering what could have been with various players/managers.  I hope he does well at Ipswich.  He may be a grump but his mantra about hard work is a great one to have.

Great read. Very honest and revealing. I hope he does really well at Ipswich.

He's interested in signing Kayden Jackson, Acci want over a million for him, and Toto from Salop, he may get into Europe one day with Grimsby rejects

Toto and Nolan apparently just handed in transfer requests...

You got to hand it to him they like playing for him, becoming the Yorkshire poacher

Quoted from marinerdazza

Toto and Nolan apparently just handed in transfer requests...

Wow, that speaks volumes

A million quid each...

Shrews value Toto at £1 million. Funny how things turn out.

Don't think Hursts win percentage can be compared with Buckleys when you consider that a lot of Hursts games won were non league. Unless of course, those figures were just since he was managing in the league.

Quoted from paramariner

Don't think Hursts win percentage can be compared with Buckleys when you consider that a lot of Hursts games won were non league. Unless of course, those figures were just since he was managing in the league.

49.5 with us and 48.5 with Shrewsbury over 279 games

Of course the stats can be compared. A win is a win and a defeat is a defeat. I would assume that Buckley generally had better players to manage since that were playing at a higher level.

Quoted from TonySmith

Of course the stats can be compared. A win is a win and a defeat is a defeat. I would assume that Buckley generally had better players to manage since that were playing at a higher level.

I'd argue that there's more to it than just "a win's a win".

You'd expect a manager of GTFC to have a decent win percentage in the conference, where our resources and realistic expectations are much higher than competition at that level. Compared to Buckley having us punching above our weight against clubs of far superior resources and expectation.

Yes Buckley had better players to work with, but he was also playing against teams with better players.

Fair point, Tommy.

Always liked hurst, wish him well

I agree we were a small fish in a big pond for much of Buckley's time here but his win ratio never really varied elsewhere either.

Russell Slade has a career win percentage of 36.7% and out of his last 3 jobs, we have the best figure at just over 25%. Hurst has proven himself a safe pair of hands and pulled off a miracle keeping them up. This time last year they were favourites for the drop but he proved his ability in getting teams to the play-offs.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I agree we were a small fish in a big pond for much of Buckley's time here but his win ratio never really varied elsewhere either.

Russell Slade has a career win percentage of 36.7% and out of his last 3 jobs, we have the best figure at just over 25%. Hurst has proven himself a safe pair of hands and pulled off a miracle keeping them up. This time last year they were favourites for the drop but he proved his ability in getting teams to the play-offs.

I'm not trying to put Hurst down. I just posed the question really as it got me thinking. And even though I agree he has done well in his career to date, there's always room for improvement. As with any profession. There's always things you could've done better, and in his own quest for personal development, I'm sure he asks questions of himself too.

But the win percentage you quote for Slade is similar to what you've quoted Buckley's as. For me that's the biggest argument possible against solely using that as a yard stick for judging a manager. Buckley was ten times the manager Slade is yet they have similar win percentages.

Yes use them as part of a comparison because it is about results, but you have to factor in several other things to give records context in my opinion.

What a great read, comes across brilliantly and with certain parallels to Jolley, yet despite both being yorkies they are chalk n cheese. You feel that Jolley is revelling in the whole experience, whereas with hurst you get the feeling that his whole stay with us was done through gritted teeth.
Whatever, we were damn lucky to have him. And once again thank you for getting us back in the league via a never to be forgotten day

MJ wants to be apart of our community, where as PH could not wait to across the border back to yorkieland.

Only time will tell if MJ can be a successful manager for us, hopefully as successfully as his PR skills and we will be on a winner.

Quoted from Tommy

I'm not trying to put Hurst down. I just posed the question really as it got me thinking. And even though I agree he has done well in his career to date, there's always room for improvement. As with any profession. There's always things you could've done better, and in his own quest for personal development, I'm sure he asks questions of himself too.

But the win percentage you quote for Slade is similar to what you've quoted Buckley's as. For me that's the biggest argument possible against solely using that as a yard stick for judging a manager. Buckley was ten times the manager Slade is yet they have similar win percentages.

Yes use them as part of a comparison because it is about results, but you have to factor in several other things to give records context in my opinion.

I agree with you there. The expectation last season was a play off push and I'm sure there were high expectations for Slade at Coventry and Charlton before us. Slades record has declined considerably the last 3 appointments whereas Buckley was consistent throughout his management career. I consider Sean Dyche an excellent manager and his win percentage is 38.6%. Against Mourinho (65.4%) and Guardiola (71.9%), Dyche's record appears terrible. Now consider, despite winning double the games Dyche's wins, Mourinho is the current favourite to be sacked first in the Premier League this season.

As we all know, football isn't an even playing field and Guardiola would not win 72% of his games at a more unfashionable club.

I was at work when I posted about Buckley earlier, just quickly searching other managers. I do not consider him in the same bracket as Slade. For a start, he was won things in his career and has a footballing philosophy.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

That article is a great read. I see your point Tommy about his hate losing mantra but this is a guy with a 50% win rate as manager. The great Alan Buckley had a 38% win rate and an unblemished reform with no relegations.

He always had us fighting for a play off place (1st full season aside) and his win rate (combined with Rob Scott) was 47.5%. We drew 3 games more than we lost over his time here. His record at Shrewsbury was similar and that achieved a play off place, which Ipswich fans would snap your hand off for right now.

Your argument is one that will always be there to be debated because going for a win is going to prove unsuccessful sometimes too and result in being hit on the break. I guess it is finding that balance and is the difference between automatic promotion and mid table.

Would you rather see your team lose 4-3 going for the win or draw 1-1?

Good Post that with some interesting points.

Regarding th question at the bottom... Give me a protected 1-1 draw over an entertaining 4-3 loss everytime. I like entertaining football as much as the next fan, but ultimately points means prizes and if it meant me watching a dull game that yields 1 or 3 points for Town then I'm all for it.

I do feel this season under Jolley will be more entertaining and expansive.... He seems to favour a culture of high pressing, high energy, attacking football and I think we'll see a fair few goals at the BP this year!

Can't wait for Saturday!

#UTM

Whilst I didn’t expect us to struggle like we did last season, I certainly did not expect us to reach the playoffs. Our squad was simply not good enough.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

MJ wants to be apart of our community, where as PH could not wait to across the border back to yorkieland.

Only time will tell if MJ can be a successful manager for us, hopefully as successfully as his PR skills and we will be on a winner.

One of the pieces in the article that stood out for me was at every club he’s managed, Hursts family stayed in Sheffield. No judgement from me here for that for that - you do what’s best for you, and no doubt that’s tough personally. I just thought it contrasted with MJ moving both to an unfashionable part of Sweden and an unfashionable part of Lincolnshire.

Of course it remains to be seen if Jolley will be successful, but you can’t question his commitment to trying.

Difference could be that Hurst has children.  I don't think Jolley does.  Much easier to up sticks when you don't have kids.

Shrewsbury forum calling him from anus to breakfast time, poison dwarf etc for last minute poaching attempts of Toto and Nolan.
What a difference a season makes.

Toto and Nolan on the way I can see Ipswich conceding a few with him in the back four at that level surely it`s a step up too far even with his pace? Nolan will do fine though.

Some on here thought L2 was going to be a step too far and he was apparently one of the best CB’s in the L1 last season. I would trust Hurst’s judgement more than any other manager we’ve had in my lifetime (more than Jolley at the moment I’d say even). He worked a minor miracle even getting Shrewsbury to the play off final last season. He does need to succeed with Ipswich though, he doesn’t want to be getting himself a reputation as a nearly man.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Toto and Nolan on the way I can see Ipswich conceding a few with him in the back four at that level surely it`s a step up too far even with his pace? Nolan will do fine though.

I think both could struggle at Championship level. Then again I thought the same about them in L1 so what do I know!  

Quoted from Mariner_09

Some on here thought L2 was going to be a step too far and he was apparently one of the best CB’s in the L1 last season. I would trust Hurst’s judgement more than any other manager we’ve had in my lifetime (more than Jolley at the moment I’d say even). He worked a minor miracle even getting Shrewsbury to the play off final last season. He does need to succeed with Ipswich though, he doesn’t want to be getting himself a reputation as a nearly man.

Toto is a fine player IMHO albeit he does have flaws than can and will be exploited by better players he excelled last Season but the quality of forwards in the Championship I feel will rip him apart.Mcarthy had a good run at Ipswich and they have always been noted for giving their manager time PH will do alright.

So, young defenders apparently can't improve in 2 years? He certainly had the physical attributes to be a Championship-level player. No reason he can't develop to be a decent one, though Premier League will probably be out of his reach.

Did anyone think Simon Francis would play in the Prem?

I doubt it - still can't believe he does! Especially as he looked to cumbersome to be a full-back when playing for us.

Eight pages dedicated to Ipswich Town in this mornings local rag, seven of them 100% Hurst, they think the sun shines out of him! Not sure Knudsen and a couple of others he has openly slagged off would agree.

They're even giving away free Hurst masks at the first game tomorrow, there isn't one cupping his ear unfortunately. The local wurzels will have to wait a while, get on his back and then they'll see him in a different light unless of course he leaves them for a better offer.

Hurst is definitely in for Kayden Jackson, Toto and Nolan, one more ex Mariner and I can start watching the Tractor Boys as they'll be Town reserves

He'll be sacked before the end of the season. Miserable little excrement

Toto & Nolan now having medicals at Ipswich. Supposedly £2m fee!  

Two years from now he'll take both of them and LJL to Real Madrid

Quoted from norfuk mariner

Toto & Nolan now having medicals at Ipswich. Supposedly £2m fee!  

Is that £2m combined or each?

Not sure either is Championship quality as good as they are. I tend to think that the better players in the Championship will rinse Toto who I think can be erratic in decision making, concentration and positioning.

I think that's maybe the early 20's Toto you're describing Chaos. He looked quality whenever I saw him last year and he's still absolutely no age for a centre back at 26. Think the £2m must be combined though!

I thought he looked pretty inconsistent in what I saw of him at Shrewsbury, although this is admittedly limited.
Really good at times, but some costly errors still there, especially early season.

Quoted from chaos33

Is that £2m combined or each?

Not sure either is Championship quality as good as they are. I tend to think that the better players in the Championship will rinse Toto who I think can be erratic in decision making, concentration and positioning.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But then I thought the same of him in League One and he’s done alright there.

As good as he was for us in our promotion season, I’d never have had Jon Nolan down as a League One player either, let alone Championship. Just goes to show how little your average fan knows about the game really.

That said, neither Lincoln or Wrexham (both average conference sides at the time) fancied him as a non-league player, so maybe in this instance Hurst deserves all the credit for spotting his potential when seemingly no one else in the game could.

I remember at the time feeling it was one of his more underwhelming signings, in fact I was significantly more excited by Christian Jolley. Funny old game...

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Two years from now he'll take both of them and LJL to Real Madrid

No chance.....Cowley will be the manager with Rhead taking over from Ronaldo.

Quoted from Poojah

You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But then I thought the same of him in League One and he’s done alright there.

As good as he was for us in our promotion season, I’d never have had Jon Nolan down as a League One player either, let alone Championship. Just goes to show how little your average fan knows about the game really.

That said, neither Lincoln or Wrexham (both average conference sides at the time) fancied him as a non-league player, so maybe in this instance Hurst deserves all the credit for spotting his potential when seemingly no one else in the game could.

I remember at the time feeling it was one of his more underwhelming signings, in fact I was significantly more excited by Christian Jolley. Funny old game...

I remember Nolan playing for Stockport against Town and thought then he looked very good player.

A million each for Toto and Nolan. And I read today that Brentford are slapping a price tag of £15m on Ollie Watkins (who they signed from Exeter for £1.8m).

The < £1m we got for Bogle is beginning to look more and more of a bad deal.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Two years from now he'll take both of them and LJL to Real Madrid

Heard they run a good stadium tour .

Quoted from KingstonMariner

A million each for Toto and Nolan. And I read today that Brentford are slapping a price tag of £15m on Ollie Watkins (who they signed from Exeter for £1.8m).

The < £1m we got for Bogle is beginning to look more and more of a bad deal.

Really? He's not been able to hold down a place for the last 18 months and has only scored a handful of goals since he left us.

Toto and Nolan have been regulars at League One level and Watkins was a regular at Championship level last season. In comparison, I don't think Bogle has done anything to indicate he's worth more than we reportedly received.

No offence chaps but this thread has swerved away from the cult that is Hurst to former players. Sick of seeing Hurst related threads wind on when real news is in short supply.
I notice that my posts frequently end threads so here's hoping...............

I agree.  Let's make yours the last post on this thread..

Agreed

Quoted from Croxton

No offence chaps but this thread has swerved away from the cult that is Hurst to former players. Sick of seeing Hurst related threads wind on when real news is in short supply.
I notice that my posts frequently end threads so here's hoping...............

Couldn't agree more, this thread has become tiresome.

Do I take it that we all agree that croxtons contribution should definitely be the final post on this thread?

Yup

All in favour say aye...

aye

Is that decision final?

What was the question again?

Absolutely closed.


Unless someone else has something to offer ?

HURST OUT

Toto and Nolan both signed by Ipswich on 3 year deals.

Some of our fans thought they were both poor players, which shows what the average fan knows.

Please stick to the topic of closing this thread

This thread slams shut with the transfer window

are you all bullying the others to stop posting

toto not good enough for the championship

Quoted from Yoda

toto not good enough for the championship

How do you know? Every time he makes a step up, people seem to say he’s not good enough, but he keeps proving people wrong..

Can we have a referendum on closing this post?

Quoted from rancido

Can we have a referendum on closing this post?

But if the referendum was to close post.  

Would it be a hard close or a soft one. One where we don’t close fully, but still get our forum back ?

And if we do close it can those who voted not to close it cry like babies and demand another referendum  

the cult that is Hurst to former players.

You can change the l in cult for an n

I can't  see my way through the ear cupping and spoilt fans quote

And I firmly believe Rob Scott was the mouthpiece fall guy for Hursts thoughts

He had far too long to get us back in the league during in which time the football was dire at times and at best boring

Quoted from Cod Cheeks

the cult that is Hurst to former players.

You can change the l in cult for an n

I can't  see my way through the ear cupping and spoilt fans quote

And I firmly believe Rob Scott was the mouthpiece fall guy for Hursts thoughts

He had far too long to get us back in the league during in which time the football was dire at times and at best boring

Yeah beating Halifax 7-1 at home was very tedious

Quoted from toontown

Yeah beating Halifax 7-1 at home was very tedious

And the most embarrassing moment in over 50 years of supporting town when we played them away

Quoted from toontown

Yeah beating Halifax 7-1 at home was very tedious

And away


Oh right

That Halifax 7-1 game was just a reaction from the players after Hurst had stupidly dropped Amond and Bogle for the previous games and played some random loan player in their place iirc

Quoted from Croxton

No offence chaps but this thread has swerved away from the cult that is Hurst to former players. Sick of seeing Hurst related threads wind on when real news is in short supply.
I notice that my posts frequently end threads so here's hoping...............

Didn't work this time Croxton but I also have noticed that my posts frequently end threads so here's hoping.

Braintree at home in the semi was awful

I was delighted when Hurst left.

And now he’s in the Championship! Bet he regrets leaving us.

Quoted from Maringer

Really? He's not been able to hold down a place for the last 18 months and has only scored a handful of goals since he left us.

Toto and Nolan have been regulars at League One level and Watkins was a regular at Championship level last season. In comparison, I don't think Bogle has done anything to indicate he's worth more than we reportedly received.

Yes really. Strikers command higher prices than other players. Bogle's not had a lucky time what with changes to managers, loans etc.

Plus you're looking at it with hindsight. When Bogle was sold he was in blistering form, which is what is relevant when the decision was made.

Quoted from jaygy

That Halifax 7-1 game was just a reaction from the players after Hurst had stupidly dropped Amond and Bogle for the previous games and played some random loan player in their place iirc

Worked then, didn’t it?

People giving different reasons for why Hurst actually isn’t  that good are a bit embarrassing, for me. The guys record speaks for itself, he’s now two tiers above us, and there’s a good chance we wouldn’t be back in the league without him.

Yeah but he cupped his ears in my general direction

Quoted from sam gy

Worked then, didn’t it?

People giving different reasons for why Hurst actually isn’t  that good are a bit embarrassing, for me. The guys record speaks for itself, he’s now two tiers above us,[/b] and there’s a good chance we wouldn’t be back in the league without him.[b]

So you are saying that Hursty was the ONLY manager to get us out of the conference, maybe our stay might had been less with a manager that went all out for top spot, rather than gambling on winning the play-offs.

He got us out of the conference, but now he is history, its the future with MJ that I am focused on now.

You can only go so far with the way he sets up his teams to play, no way Ipswich will be up there, the Championship is a different ball game to the League 1, 2 & conference.

Good luck to the bloke, get what you can while his stock is high, before the slide down the leagues.

Look foward and upwards with MJ

UTM

Lets look at thing about Hurst from every ones  point of view,


Hurst did not want to be here so he is happy,


The ones that did not like him  are    Happy he went,


The ones that thought he was great are Happy because they can say I told you so.


So we are all happy,


End of thread.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

So you are saying that Hursty was the ONLY manager to get us out of the conference, maybe our stay might had been less with a manager that went all out for top spot, rather than gambling on winning the play-offs.

Nope, I didn’t say that at all. I said there’s a good chance. I think he did the best he could with the players he had available to him....not sure whether we ever had a squad as good as any of the ones who won the league when we were down there.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter, i just find it strange that some people are so hell bent on trying to prove he’s not very good, when they guy got us promoted, has a brilliant win record and by all accounts is doing pretty good for himself.

As the song goes, “we hate it when our friends become successful”.