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TonySmith
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Fair point, Tommy.
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Always liked hurst, wish him well
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I agree we were a small fish in a big pond for much of Buckley's time here but his win ratio never really varied elsewhere either.

Russell Slade has a career win percentage of 36.7% and out of his last 3 jobs, we have the best figure at just over 25%. Hurst has proven himself a safe pair of hands and pulled off a miracle keeping them up. This time last year they were favourites for the drop but he proved his ability in getting teams to the play-offs.
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I agree we were a small fish in a big pond for much of Buckley's time here but his win ratio never really varied elsewhere either.

Russell Slade has a career win percentage of 36.7% and out of his last 3 jobs, we have the best figure at just over 25%. Hurst has proven himself a safe pair of hands and pulled off a miracle keeping them up. This time last year they were favourites for the drop but he proved his ability in getting teams to the play-offs.


I'm not trying to put Hurst down. I just posed the question really as it got me thinking. And even though I agree he has done well in his career to date, there's always room for improvement. As with any profession. There's always things you could've done better, and in his own quest for personal development, I'm sure he asks questions of himself too.

But the win percentage you quote for Slade is similar to what you've quoted Buckley's as. For me that's the biggest argument possible against solely using that as a yard stick for judging a manager. Buckley was ten times the manager Slade is yet they have similar win percentages.

Yes use them as part of a comparison because it is about results, but you have to factor in several other things to give records context in my opinion.


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What a great read, comes across brilliantly and with certain parallels to Jolley, yet despite both being yorkies they are chalk n cheese. You feel that Jolley is revelling in the whole experience, whereas with hurst you get the feeling that his whole stay with us was done through gritted teeth.
Whatever, we were damn lucky to have him. And once again thank you for getting us back in the league via a never to be forgotten day
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MJ wants to be apart of our community, where as PH could not wait to across the border back to yorkieland.

Only time will tell if MJ can be a successful manager for us, hopefully as successfully as his PR skills and we will be on a winner.
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Quoted from Tommy


I'm not trying to put Hurst down. I just posed the question really as it got me thinking. And even though I agree he has done well in his career to date, there's always room for improvement. As with any profession. There's always things you could've done better, and in his own quest for personal development, I'm sure he asks questions of himself too.

But the win percentage you quote for Slade is similar to what you've quoted Buckley's as. For me that's the biggest argument possible against solely using that as a yard stick for judging a manager. Buckley was ten times the manager Slade is yet they have similar win percentages.

Yes use them as part of a comparison because it is about results, but you have to factor in several other things to give records context in my opinion.


I agree with you there. The expectation last season was a play off push and I'm sure there were high expectations for Slade at Coventry and Charlton before us. Slades record has declined considerably the last 3 appointments whereas Buckley was consistent throughout his management career. I consider Sean Dyche an excellent manager and his win percentage is 38.6%. Against Mourinho (65.4%) and Guardiola (71.9%), Dyche's record appears terrible. Now consider, despite winning double the games Dyche's wins, Mourinho is the current favourite to be sacked first in the Premier League this season.

As we all know, football isn't an even playing field and Guardiola would not win 72% of his games at a more unfashionable club.

I was at work when I posted about Buckley earlier, just quickly searching other managers. I do not consider him in the same bracket as Slade. For a start, he was won things in his career and has a footballing philosophy.
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That article is a great read. I see your point Tommy about his hate losing mantra but this is a guy with a 50% win rate as manager. The great Alan Buckley had a 38% win rate and an unblemished reform with no relegations.

He always had us fighting for a play off place (1st full season aside) and his win rate (combined with Rob Scott) was 47.5%. We drew 3 games more than we lost over his time here. His record at Shrewsbury was similar and that achieved a play off place, which Ipswich fans would snap your hand off for right now.

Your argument is one that will always be there to be debated because going for a win is going to prove unsuccessful sometimes too and result in being hit on the break. I guess it is finding that balance and is the difference between automatic promotion and mid table.

Would you rather see your team lose 4-3 going for the win or draw 1-1?


Good Post that with some interesting points.

Regarding th question at the bottom... Give me a protected 1-1 draw over an entertaining 4-3 loss everytime. I like entertaining football as much as the next fan, but ultimately points means prizes and if it meant me watching a dull game that yields 1 or 3 points for Town then I'm all for it.

I do feel this season under Jolley will be more entertaining and expansive.... He seems to favour a culture of high pressing, high energy, attacking football and I think we'll see a fair few goals at the BP this year!

Can't wait for Saturday!

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Whilst I didn’t expect us to struggle like we did last season, I certainly did not expect us to reach the playoffs. Our squad was simply not good enough.


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Quoted from The Yard Dog
MJ wants to be apart of our community, where as PH could not wait to across the border back to yorkieland.

Only time will tell if MJ can be a successful manager for us, hopefully as successfully as his PR skills and we will be on a winner.


One of the pieces in the article that stood out for me was at every club he’s managed, Hursts family stayed in Sheffield. No judgement from me here for that for that - you do what’s best for you, and no doubt that’s tough personally. I just thought it contrasted with MJ moving both to an unfashionable part of Sweden and an unfashionable part of Lincolnshire.

Of course it remains to be seen if Jolley will be successful, but you can’t question his commitment to trying.


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