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July 14, 2018, 8:46pm
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How does a country with an 11th/12th of our population produce world class players and we don't?


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Croatia. 4 million -ish
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4 wins against mediocre teams. 3 defeats and 1 goal from a set piece against better quality opposition. Can't see it ever changing to be honest because we are not producing the Hazard's and Mbappe's of this world and i can't see that changing.


It doesn't help when the manager has his favourites and continues to play them even though they hardly contribute to the games and are clearly not international quality. He also doesn't seem to react quickly enough when it is going wrong.
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It doesn't help when the manager has his favourites and continues to play them even though they hardly contribute to the games and are clearly not international quality. He also doesn't seem to react quickly enough when it is going wrong.


In all honesty, was there anyone better sat on the bench? I think we were playing at the limit of our ability, and there is not much more we could have done.
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In all honesty, was there anyone better sat on the bench? I think we were playing at the limit of our ability, and there is not much more we could have done.


I'm not saying there was better on the bench in fact that confirms to me we are not that good and there was too much hype about winning it.

But there surely has to be better players than Alli, Sterling  and Lingard as well as some of our defenders who conceded two poor goals today.
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Croatia. 4 million -ish


Correct. Although my maths is wonky. Should have said 13th-14th.


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I'm not saying there was better on the bench in fact that confirms to me we are not that good and there was too much hype about winning it.

But there surely has to be better players than Alli, Sterling  and Lingard as well as some of our defenders who conceded two poor goals today.


Obviously not. Think they were the best of the bunch and are not quite good enough. Given time and experience, they may do better. I hope so.
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Lets be realistic, England haven't really progressed at all, played two good teams in the tournament and lost three times..........  Sweden would have struggled to finish half way up the Championship.  Southgate is a good guy, but we will always be bridesmaids at these tournaments until the structure of our top flight changes.............
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Lets be realistic, England haven't really progressed at all, played two good teams in the tournament and lost three times..........  Sweden would have struggled to finish half way up the Championship.  Southgate is a good guy, but we will always be bridesmaids at these tournaments until the structure of our top flight changes.............
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Belgium, Man City and Liverpool have mastered the art of lightning counter-attacks, combined with slick one-touch, accurate defence-splitting passes.  

All too much for England.  We were carved open at will.  Belgium just had to pick their moments.  We had to chase the game,  which played right into their hands.

Belgium employed the same tactic for their winning goal against Japan.  Against France the outstanding French defence blunted their attacks.  Belgium had to chase the game then.

Not sure where England are now:  hopefully without Jones and what is wrong with Kane?  He keeps getting picked when he has been so out of sorts.
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