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forza ivano
June 28, 2018, 9:57pm

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The most disappointing thing for me was that not one of the reserves gave a performance that shouted ' pick me' whereas IMHO Martinez has been given a few selection bproblems with a lot of their second X1 making a case for being first choice
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With respect though cloudy, 'he hasn't looked safe' is the root of the potential problem, defenders need to know they have someone reliable behind them, otherwise it impacts on their own performances, we are very light on the goalkeeping front and to be honest and if you go on last seasons form, Nick Pope is the best of the three, although completely untried at this level i admit.
The value of a quality keeper is best shown by Jan Oblak at Athletico Madrid, best keeper in the world by a long way IMO, although sadly not able to show that at the world cup.


We just don't have a top quality keeper so the best Southgate can do is pick the one he feels is the best, trust him and try and build his confidence. It isn't going to turn him in to Lev Yashin overnight but  he will be better for the experience
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We just don't have a top quality keeper so the best Southgate can do is pick the one he feels is the best, trust him and try and build his confidence. It isn't going to turn him in to Lev Yashin overnight but  he will be better for the experience

Fair comments, he might come good, i hope he does in this tournament, but IMHO  he isn't the best of the three options we have, however i will be delighted to be proved totally wrong!
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Basic goalkeeping would be to go with your right hand if the ball is going to your right, Pickford went with his left. Other teams will also look at how many times he pushed the ball out in front of him. It's got to be a worry.
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Took myself off to water the garden for the second half. Think I saw more excitement on the grass. Bloody bitey, tiny flying things made it feel like Volgograd or St Pete's though.


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I hope they tell Delph not to rush back.


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Quoted from MuddyWaters
Basic goalkeeping would be to go with your right hand if the ball is going to your right, Pickford went with his left. Other teams will also look at how many times he pushed the ball out in front of him. It's got to be a worry.

You make a valid point, but if you look at his positioning as the striker took the shot it was a yard too near to has near post and although it would be very  harsh to blame him for an excellent strike, the ball  did not go in under the angle of bar  and post.

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Basic goalkeeping would be to go with your right hand if the ball is going to your right, Pickford went with his left. Other teams will also look at how many times he pushed the ball out in front of him. It's got to be a worry.


In fairness, most goalkeepers I've played with are coached to go with their 'top hand' when diving for shots going to the top corners. Watching the likes of De Gea, he tends to do the same and I'm sure nobody can argue with his technique.  
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Plenty of top ex-keepers or guys in the profession on social media saying Pickford right to go with that hand. Further reach extending that arm. I'm inclined to go with their view to be honest.

If anything Rose was at fault for allowing the left footed winger to cut in onto his left foot so easily.

Seeing criticisms of Delph, Dier and Maguire in various forms tonight.

Dier merits the criticism for me. Plays facing his own goal and never knows what's behind him. Thus always plays the ball backwards and doesn't open up his body to receive on the half-turn. Henderson is guilty of this too much for my liking but far less so than Dier, who maybe is starting to look like the centre-back playing in midfield that he really is.

Delph, different to Dier above. Delph does check his shoulders and knows what's around him before he receives the ball. Let's it roll across his body or turns with the ball regularly. Would be better as the pivot midfielder than Dier. Don't see what he did wrong.

Maguire was good in possession and broke Belgian lines by breaking forward with the ball himself. Settled in when he came on and helped us play our from deep in our half a couple of times. But driving runs forward could be key in future games.

I thought Jones was awful. Such a one-dimensional player with the ball. Doesn't see a pass other than one that's right in front of him. No peripheral vision or awareness of what's around the pitch, or technical ability to move his feet and play a ball quickly that isn't a basic 10 yard roll to someone coming towards him.

Was never going to be a full blooded game but thought we rolled over too easily.

Looking forward to seeing the first XI back next week.


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Quoted from forza ivano
The most disappointing thing for me was that not one of the reserves gave a performance that shouted ' pick me' whereas IMHO Martinez has been given a few selection bproblems with a lot of their second X1 making a case for being first choice


Really apart from the goal they were average and only slightly better than us, don't let annoyance cloud your judgement, it was a match where players on both sides were second to the bench
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