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Simple supply and demand. The demand is far higher (300,000+ immigration for decades) than the supply of building homes. Barker Review said the UK needed to build 260,000 private sector homes each year, but only 130,00-a-year have been built in the last 10 years. This explains why rent is high.


Britain doesn't need to build 260,000 private sector homes each year. It needs to build 260,000 homes each year.


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Wouldn't you be better off campaigning to get the legions of young, unqualified white people currently unemployed to do the jobs that mean that British farmers etc. have to recruit from overseas to get their crops out of the fields etc. etc.?
Whilst we are on the subject of housing can you think of a better way of "solving" the housing crisis than building more (especially affordable ones). It would provide a shot in the arm to the construction industry as well


To illustrate the point, whilst I'm sat here writing this at 8PM there's two Latvian builders up in my roof. They'll probably be there gone 9 as they have a lot of this week. Good hard working lads.

Now it's not building a new house but it's creating additional space, as many houses round here have, which helps boost the housing capacity. When their kind get kicked out after we leave the EU I wonder who'll be available to help boost our housing stock. I didn't notice many British builders queuing up to quote for the work.


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Simple supply and demand. The demand is far higher (300,000+ immigration for decades) than the supply of building homes. Barker Review said the UK needed to build 260,000 private sector homes each year, but only 130,00-a-year have been built in the last 10 years. This explains why rent is high.


So why haven't the private sector stepped up to the mark and pulled their collective fingers out and doubled their "contributions"? Here's a couple of pointers:-
1. The sort of housing that is desperately needed at the moment isn't attractive in terms of potential profit.
2. Successive governments (including Blair's) have failed to provide enough courses for youngsters to learn the trades needed to build houses so that housebuilders in some of our bigger population centres are relying heavily on the very people you consider have caused the problem in the first place. A friend of mine had to pay to set up his own bricklayers course in Derby so concerned was he about the lack of educational facilities available to staff his building business.

Governments should take the shackles off local authorities and let them borrow the money required to build affordable homes. There has never been a better time to borrow money. Of course what the Tories really should have done is right the wrong Thatcher did over "Right to Buy" and allowed L.A.s to keep the money they got from the sale of council houses under the scheme to reinvest in replenishing the housing stock. The trouble is, the very thought of councils (which would probably be more likely to be Labour councils) borrowing money is enough to have the right wing accusing them of profligacy.


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Simple supply and demand. The demand is far higher (300,000+ immigration for decades) than the supply of building homes. Barker Review said the UK needed to build 260,000 private sector homes each year, but only 130,00-a-year have been built in the last 10 years. This explains why rent is high.


You summed up the problem in one word - “simple”. The housing crisis is far from simple and your insistence on blaming it on immigrants shows that your arguments are lazy and you don’t really care about addressing the structural realities and biases that exist in this country - you appear to blame everything on this boogeyman (which at the minute is immigrants but started off as Muslims earlier in the thread...) without really daring to punch up at the people who really do create the problems, often intentionally, in this country and beyond.

The housing crisis is a result of a myriad of factors, including an outdated and ineffective planning system, 40 years of neoliberal housing policy, an aging population, changing public opinions and the loss of a culture where housing is seen as a public good, the loss of local authority power, land banking linked to artificially inflated land prices, massive changes in the economy and the shift in the job market (and then where these jobs are located), infrastructure,  planning obligations, climate change, a growing population and public health.

The internet is an incredible resource. It’s a shame people like you decide to waste it in a big circle-jerk punching down at people, rather than trying to increase your understanding of issues.

Best get on the old brain force pills mate.
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I sound brainwashed for defending liberty and freedom of speech? Because jailing someone for breaking a tyrannical media restriction that shouldn't have been set up in the first place is okay in a free nation? This is on the same level of crap seen in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Turkey in regards to freedom.  

Cult like? Pretty sure you can see my earlier post/rants about the potential jailing of Count Dankula, or the Austrian, American and Canadian conservatives that were BANNED from the UK for nothing. The problems we see today with regards to Home Office faults with citizenship are a result of wrong paperwork or bureaucrats failing as bureaucrats do.

You just ignore these problems, ignore the fact based arguments, the solution to these problems are similar to what Poland, Austria, Italy and Eastern Europe are doing. The return to stop and search, stripping anti-freedom hate speech laws, stop policing the internet and get out there to police criminals, stop wasting resources on diversity budgets etc, create a British Bill of Rights that protects our freedoms, get a sustainable immigration target, lower tax to increase gov revenue and increase employment and productivity.

Stephan deserves gratitude because he is in jail for nothing. A cult of personality is someone like Corbyn who has a history of political mishaps, economic illiteracy, and seems totally oblivious to the root causes of the problems with the Housing crisis, NHS etc, even on record for praising  Venezuela for turning into a socialistic crap-house, yet keeps followers shouting drone chants. Stephan has been silenced, Anjem Choudary is far worse and is already deemed okay to enter UK society, a man who supports ISIS. Stephan's crime? For highlighting the groping gang problem. Oh but muh ex-EDL or something..        

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Which part of "If you act like this again you will go to prison" do you suppose Mr Robinson or whatever his current name is found difficult to understand? I'll ask you the question again. If you were the father of one of the girls who was raped by this gang of utter barstewards and tomorrow the lawyers acting for the defence go for and succeed in getting the case dismissed because of the prejudicial comments of Robinson how would you feel then?

I know you don't like answering questions but if you could break off from your adoration of Yaxley-Lennon and give some thought to the highlighted question above (which I asked you earlier in the thread) I'd be genuinely interested in your answer.


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Which part of "If you act like this again you will go to prison" do you suppose Mr Robinson or whatever his current name is found difficult to understand? I'll ask you the question again. If you were the father of one of the girls who was raped by this gang of utter barstewards and tomorrow the lawyers acting for the defence go for and succeed in getting the case dismissed because of the prejudicial comments of Robinson how would you feel then?

I know you don't like answering questions but if you could break off from your adoration of Yaxley-Lennon and give some thought to the highlighted question above (which I asked you earlier in the thread) I'd be genuinely interested in your answer.


He's still waiting for Alt Recht.com to produce the stock answer.


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Which part of "If you act like this again you will go to prison" do you suppose Mr Robinson or whatever his current name is found difficult to understand? I'll ask you the question again. If you were the father of one of the girls who was raped by this gang of utter barstewards and tomorrow the lawyers acting for the defence go for and succeed in getting the case dismissed because of the prejudicial comments of Robinson how would you feel then?

I know you don't like answering questions but if you could break off from your adoration of Yaxley-Lennon and give some thought to the highlighted question above (which I asked you earlier in the thread) I'd be genuinely interested in your answer.


I think you are missing the point somewhat,  Robinson was stupid that day he breached his conditions and was arrested for it, no arguments there but it was the way in which he was sentenced and banged up within a matter of hours with little defence and to top it off we had the reporting on it totally banned, it was like something out of North Korea.IIfthis had of been any other person I’m quite sure the police would would of at least issued a warning, Tommy was on footage even asking if he was ok to film as he wasnt even on court grounds,

Anybody who follows Tommy will be well aware that the state is out to get him, now this might sound like some far fetched conspiracy to the ill informed but just take a look at where he is now....(don’t bother checking the MSN as they are not reporting) he’s been moved from a “safe” prison in Hull to a majority Muslim prison where reports suggest that the make up is more than 1 in 3 muslims, the move was sanctioned by the home office knowing full well his life will now be in danger.

For all those who clap and cheer at the jailing of Tommy Robinson and for those that will cheer even further at the thought of the danger he is in right now, I say you are ignorant and  full of the MSN narrative how about try and read his bio and learn something, and just remember that it’s because of the pressure from people like Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters, Sarah Champion (soon after sacked by Labour), Jayne Senior the brave Rotherham whistleblower,  that we the “plebs” now have the exposure of this systematic rape and abuse on an industrial scale from the Muslim rape/ grooming gangs. Just think if it wasn’t for these brave individuals who were prepared to raise their heads above the parapet and risk everything the abuse would of grown along with the Muslim population, just think maybe down the line it could of been your daughter/granddaughter.

We see on a daily basis throughout the UK how pollitical correctness is increasing
dont forget the police knew what was happening, the councils and social services knew, even the government knew, but they covered it up for more than 25 years in the name of pollitical correctness and now as we enter the age of Cultural Marxism the minority’s will become even more somewhat untouchable, I thank you Tommy Robinson.


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I think you are missing the point somewhat,  Robinson was stupid that day he breached his conditions and was arrested for it, no arguments there but it was the way in which he was sentenced and banged up within a matter of hours with little defence and to top it off we had the reporting on it totally banned, it was like something out of North Korea.IIfthis had of been any other person I’m quite sure the police would would of at least issued a warning, Tommy was on footage even asking if he was ok to film as he wasnt even on court grounds,

Anybody who follows Tommy will be well aware that the state is out to get him, now this might sound like some far fetched conspiracy to the ill informed but just take a look at where he is now....(don’t bother checking the MSN as they are not reporting) he’s been moved from a “safe” prison in Hull to a majority Muslim prison where reports suggest that the make up is more than 1 in 3 muslims, the move was sanctioned by the home office knowing full well his life will now be in danger.

For all those who clap and cheer at the jailing of Tommy Robinson and for those that will cheer even further at the thought of the danger he is in right now, I say you are ignorant and  full of the MSN narrative how about try and read his bio and learn something, and just remember that it’s because of the pressure from people like Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters, Sarah Champion (soon after sacked by Labour), Jayne Senior the brave Rotherham whistleblower,  that we the “plebs” now have the exposure of this systematic rape and abuse on an industrial scale from the Muslim rape/ grooming gangs. Just think if it wasn’t for these brave individuals who were prepared to raise their heads above the parapet and risk everything the abuse would of grown along with the Muslim population, just think maybe down the line it could of been your daughter/granddaughter.

We see on a daily basis throughout the UK how pollitical correctness is increasing
dont forget the police knew what was happening, the councils and social services knew, even the government knew, but they covered it up for more than 25 years in the name of pollitical correctness and now as we enter the age of Cultural Marxism the minority’s will become even more somewhat untouchable, I thank you Tommy Robinson.


That you can put the likes of Yaxley-Lennon in the same category as Sarah Champion and the "Rotherham whistle blower" beggars belief. All "Tommy" has done is fed off the work done by others. He protests outside courts where people that have already been been caught are being tried.  Where is his work to actually expose these scumbags? You talk about these people being untouchable but they are on trial and are being sentenced.  Seeing as Skrill doesn't want to answer the question why don't you have a go?


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Anybody who follows Tommy will be well aware that the state is out to get him, now this might sound like some far fetched conspiracy to the ill informed but just take a look at where he is now....(don’t bother checking the MSN as they are not reporting) he’s been moved from a “safe” prison in Hull to a majority Muslim prison where reports suggest that the make up is more than 1 in 3 muslims, the move was sanctioned by the home office knowing full well his life will now be in danger.



https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-moved-muslim-prison-14786200

FYI, a majority has to be over 50%. Educate yourself.


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Oh dear! Facts getting in the way of things again...😂😂😂


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