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Grim74
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Well yes we do allow polygamy, forced marriages, FGM, or at least turn a blind eye to it, everyone knows it’s happening but sod all gets done about it. The was a report recently about U.K. Muslim men some already married who go back to Pakistan regularly and marry young family members, usually cousins just to get them a visa, absolutely shocking but nothing gets done because the politicians as well as the people are experiencing a shilling effect as we don’t want to be seen to be islamaphobic. Blesphemy is not in law but it’s also here.

As for the very conservative poll you should be concerned because just like the Brexit polls showed people are not always honest and hide there true feelings. And Muslims are no different except they will lie definitely the devout Muslims to protect Islam it’s a deceit tactic they are commanded to use in foreign lands called Taqiyya, you should read up on it, it’s in the Koran.


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Well yes we do allow polygamy, forced marriages, FGM, or at least turn a blind eye to it, everyone knows it’s happening but sod all gets done about it. The was a report recently about U.K. Muslim men some already married who go back to Pakistan regularly and marry young family members, usually cousins just to get them a visa, absolutely shocking but nothing gets done because the politicians as well as the people are experiencing a shilling effect as we don’t want to be seen to be islamaphobic. Blesphemy is not in law but it’s also here.

As for the very conservative poll you should be concerned because just like the Brexit polls showed people are not always honest and hide there true feelings. And Muslims are no different except they will lie definitely the devout Muslims to protect Islam it’s a deceit tactic they are commanded to use in foreign lands called Taqiyya, you should read up on it, it’s in the Koran.


Perhaps when you finish your reading of the Koran you'll point me in the direction of the British family law that allows polygamy etc. To say that nothing gets done about it as a line of argument is weak. We have laws for all sorts of things but there will always be people who think they are above that law and try to circumvent it. The ability to enforce that law is a moot point which could be argued about all aspects of law breaking such as ever catching/prosecuting the low-life that breaks into your house and is a totally different argument. To lay the cause at a conspiracy of silence is disingenuous.


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For some reason this discussion seems to have mutated into both you and Dave thinking that I'm a supporter of Sharia Law. I only got involved in the first place because I wanted to offer an alternative view to your quite frankly ridiculous assertion that every Muslim is a disciple for Sharia Law.



I haven't claimed you are a supporter of Sharia law nor accused you of being an Islamic apologist. You know I respect you as one of the most balanced and informed posters on here. People think that Muslims because they are a minority group in the UK deserve special defense, go to any Islamic country and see if that defense is offered to minority groups, because it isn't. To understand what it means to be a Muslim in a majority Muslim country you have to understand what makes a Muslim in those countries.

There are 91 Koran verses that say that Mohammed is the perfect example for all of humanity to imitate in the smallest detail. What Mohammed
said and did is called the Sunna.

The Sunna is found in two texts: the Sira (the biography of Mohammed) and the Hadith (his traditions). Here is an example of the Sira:

Then I cut off his head and brought it to the apostle [Mohammed] saying, ‘This is the head of the enemy of God, Abu Jahl.’ He said, ‘By God than Whom there is no other, is it?’ Yes,’ I said, and I threw his head before the apostle and he gave thanks to God.

A hadith usually only a paragraph long, is an action, brief story, or conversation about or by Mohammed. The action can be as elementary as
Mohammed’s drinking a glass of water or putting on his sandals. A collection of hadiths is called the Hadith or Traditions.

So, the Hadith contains the Sunna (the ideal speech or action) of Mohammed, that is, his pronouncements. The actual words or deeds that one should follow, are the Sunna; the story that gives us the Sunna is the hadith.

There is a subtle difference between the Sunna and the hadiths. The actual actions of Mohammed are the Sunna, the report of that action is
the hadith. The Sunna is analogous to water, while the glass holding the water is the hadith. There are many collectors of hadiths, but the most authoritative collector were Bukhari (Muhammad Ibn Ismail Al-Bukhari). The next in rank is Muslim (Abu Al-Husayn Muslim). Here is an example of a hadith about adultery from Bukhari that is used in Sharia family law.

[Bukhari 3,38,508] Mohammed said, “Unais, confront this man’s wife and if she admits committing adultery have her stoned to death.”

It should be noted that the Shia Muslims have their own Hadith collections, but when it comes to the hadiths that affect the non-Muslim, all Hadith collections are equivalent. Islam is not just a religion, but an entire way of life. It is a separate and complete civilization with its own political system. All of Islam is based on the Koran, the Sira and the Hadith. The problem is that to learn what the proper Islamic way to do something is to be found in thousands of pages and is far too complicated to be practical use. So, the Sharia takes everything about the subject, for instance, marriage, and codifies all of the information into one ordered system called the Sharia.

Sharia is based on the Sunnah - the way of life of Muhammad as recorded in the Hadith (traditions).  It is an organized body of rules derived from various Quran verses and historical narrations.

Sharia is not optional; it is prescribed for believers (5:4.  Although Muslims as individuals often decide which parts to follow or ignore, the Quran (33:36) says that it is not fitting for a believer to choose for themselves (i.e., disregard) any matter already decided by Allah.

Ergo the problem with Islam, if the Koran is the final word of God, you can't suspend what he has decreed, what Muslim will openly say suspend what the Koran says about adulterers or other passages that don't fit in with today's society. You know that Muslims consider Mohammed to be the perfect example for all of humanity to imitate as there are 91 Koran verses telling us that. Look at Mohammed's life and tell me is that the sort of life anyone should imitate or condone.

One final point, under Sharia nothing about Islam may be criticized.


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October 20, 2018, 5:20am

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For the "Lets not have a free press because one day it might but probably won't cause a mistrial" crowd.
So it seems tommy was right after all:

https://www.breitbart.com/euro.....ng-11/#disqus_thread


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They should be deported or exiled to serve their sentance in their country of family origin. Predators born from a hateful ideology deserve no place in a modern civilization.


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For the "Lets not have a free press because one day it might but probably won't cause a mistrial" crowd.
So it seems tommy was right after all:

https://www.breitbart.com/euro.....ng-11/#disqus_thread


The free press exists, as do the laws your hero broke. Still, made him some cash hasn’t it?


https://www.yorkshirepost.co.u.....an-apology-1-9405835
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The free press exists, as do the laws your hero broke. Still, made him some cash hasn’t it?


https://www.yorkshirepost.co.u.....an-apology-1-9405835


The law must be applied equally when it is relevant, one of the main tabloids did the same thing Robinson did and received a £10k fine, why weren't they locked up and why has it taken the Police an absolute age to do something about these widespread grooming gangs by protecting one evil, another will rise to challenge it.


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Was the reporter from the tabloid on a suspended sentence for having already committed that crime?

Why did it take so long for the police to act? Probably for the same reasons they didn’t act in Rotherham, or in the Saville cases, or Westminster and thousands of other cases across the country - because of institutionalised sexism, a victim blaming culture and contempt for (predominantly) working class victims.

But you can’t say that because it makes you a yoghurt-weaving, sandal-wearing, hemp-smoking lefty lunatic. Better to just blame the muzzers, eh?
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Was the reporter from the tabloid on a suspended sentence for having already committed that crime?

Why did it take so long for the police to act? Probably for the same reasons they didn’t act in Rotherham, or in the Saville cases, or Westminster and thousands of other cases across the country - because of institutionalised sexism, a victim blaming culture and contempt for (predominantly) working class victims.

But you can’t say that because it makes you a yogurt-weaving, sandal-wearing, hemp-smoking lefty lunatic. Better to just blame the muzzers, eh?


The reports say the Police didn't act because they were frightened of being labelled racist or Islamophobic, something those bet wetting social warrior liberals have pushed on society, if only they stuck to weaving yoghurt maybe thousands of young pre teen girls wouldn't have had their lives ruined.

Why did they get fined £10K if they committed no crime.

Better blame the muzzers, oh dear are you saying those pictured are innocent of raping, torturing and trafficking young girls. It's their ideological upbringing that led to how they viewed those young pre teen girls, and how they groomed them.


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So, these criminals were arrested, prosecuted and convicted. Good job nobody did anything stupid to cause a mistrial, eh? Might have risked letting guilty men go free.

As for the ridiculous Idea of deporting British-born citizens to other countries, why should these other countries have to pay for our failings? It's bad enough that we nick their doctors from them instead of paying to train our own, without trying to send them our criminals as well.
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