Scunts stadium plans

Scunny have anouced plans to redevelop Glanford Park into a 12000 all seater stadium instead of moving to the proposed new stadium.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....tailed-plans-1594158

Seems they cannot afford the move they originally planned.

Looks smart in the picture. Wonder how many tickets we will get when it's finished, 4 - 5000 at least!

But, but, but you can’t redevelop grounds - what about the conference facilities?!

Looks good, meanwhile in Grimsby we are no further ahead with our plans after years of apathy and handwringing from councillors and residents.

At least they are moving forward unlike ourselves

You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.

Why ?
They cant get even close to the filling it as it is, why add more ?

Quoted from moosey_club

Why ?
They cant get even close to the filling it as it is, why add more ?

Because their chairman (note,not non chairman) believes they should be in the championship. If they're playing the Sheffield clubs or Leeds than it could be full, off away fans, but if they're playing Burton etc than 2 sections can be closed off.

Quoted from moosey_club

Why ?
They cant get even close to the filling it as it is, why add more ?

We can't fill ours but we want a new stadium holding 15k or whatever it is. I think it is called ambition.

Quoted from psgmariner

But, but, but you can’t redevelop grounds - what about the conference facilities?!

Completely different circumstances and their location is easier to develop.

Quoted from pizzzza

You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter.

That was one episode of Blue Peter I must have missed

Looks like swan is staying with the scunts then but even these plans include house building, maybe not flashing as much cash as we thought

Quoted from psgmariner

But, but, but you can’t redevelop grounds - what about the conference facilities?!

Except there ground already has the conference facilities and associated parking needs, being as it was built in the modern era anyway, so can already take advantage of this income stream. Ours can't.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

We can't fill ours but we want a new stadium holding 15k or whatever it is. I think it is called ambition.

They have spent a large part of the past decade bobbing between Championship and League 1 and still cant grow a fanbase or fill their ground, ambition is well and good but flogging a dead horse if you ask me......regards our own "plans" i also think they are over ambitious with the current set up.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.  

Quoted from moosey_club

They have spent a large part of the past decade bobbing between Championship and League 1 and still cant grow a fanbase or fill their ground, ambition is well and good but flogging a dead horse if you ask me......regards our own "plans" i also think they are over ambitious with the current set up.

Our crowds in the Championship were shocking; we are slightly bigger than Scunthorpe but not much so I don't understand your logic of slagging them off.

In any event, you have to have ambition - Swansea and Bournemouth and Hull and Blackburn and Wigan and Brighton and Stoke and Watford and Burnley and whoever else never filled their stadiums (or anything like it) till their ambitions bore fruit. We could do the same, we just need to start that journey but I do agree with the "current set up" (the board) our prospects aren't good.

Interesting attendances...up un down cant think why.

1969-1970     4376
1970-1971     4142
1971-1972     11163
1972-1973     10658
1973-1974     7239
1974-1975     5809
1975-1976     5373
1976-1977     4314
1977-1978     4489
1978-1979     6032
1979-1980     10396
1980-1981     11069
1981-1982     8400
1982-1983     7745
1983-1984     7601
1984-1985     6415
1985-1986     5152
1986-1987     5042
1987-1988     3412
1988-1989     4302
1989-1990     5984
1990-1991     7237
1991-1992     6915
1992-1993     6088
1993-1994     6075
1994-1995     5921
1995-1996     5865
1996-1997     5640
1997-1998     5271
1998-1999     6698
1999-2000     6155
2000-2001     5646
2001-2002     6430
2002-2003     5884
2003-2004     4730
2004-2005     4943
2005-2006     5151
2006-2007     4379
2007-2008     4115
2008-2009     4474
2009-2010     4428
2010-2011     3072
2011-2012     3141
2012-2013     3813
2013-2014     3567
2014-2015     3683
2015-2016     4357
2016-2017     5259
2017-2018     4.658

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Our crowds in the Championship were shocking; we are slightly bigger than Scunthorpe but not much so I don't understand your logic of slagging them off.

In any event, you have to have ambition - Swansea and Bournemouth and Hull and Blackburn and Wigan and Brighton and Stoke and Watford and Burnley and whoever else never filled their stadiums (or anything like it) till their ambitions bore fruit. We could do the same, we just need to start that journey but I do agree with the "current set up" (the board) our prospects aren't good.

Donny, Chesterfield and Rovrum all had even more shocking crowds at Belle Vue, Saltergate and Millmoor. GTFC and Lincoln are both potentially significantly bigger clubs than Scunthorpe. Both have support or potential support in the wider county, Scunthorpe just don't have that. With Donny to the west Scunthorpe are surrounded by bigger clubs with a much longer history. Donny and Lincoln have had their quantum leap, but we won't get ours until, like those clubs above, we move to a new stadium fit for the 21st century and not the 19th century. If and when we do, then our crowds would be double Scunthorpe's (as long at the team are doing the business like Scunthorpe)

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Our crowds in the Championship were shocking; we are slightly bigger than Scunthorpe but not much so I don't understand your logic of slagging them off.

In any event, you have to have ambition - Swansea and Bournemouth and Hull and Blackburn and Wigan and Brighton and Stoke and Watford and Burnley and whoever else never filled their stadiums (or anything like it) till their ambitions bore fruit. We could do the same, we just need to start that journey but I do agree with the "current set up" (the board) our prospects aren't good.

Dont think i have "slagged them off" , just asked what is the point when they cant fill their existing ground despite having been in a relatively high position over the last decade compared to the rest of their entire history.
As you say we too cant fill our ground very often so i dont see the point of a 14,000 stadium when/if we ever move either. Ambition is one thing but playing in a half empty stadium week in week out is soul destroying and isnt attractive to floating support.

Don't forget our times in the Championship were probably when crowds all over the country were at an all time low. In recent times we've had bigger crowds than the Scunts despite being two divisions below watching shite. They come up with the bigger population excuse but truth is when you look at both catchment areas for support there's nothing in it nowadays.

Lawrie McMennemy and George Kerr caused the peaks in 1972 and 1979. It wasnt just the football, they had charisma and got the whole town talking about football again.

Quoted from realist

Lawrie McMennemy and George Kerr caused the peaks in 1972 and 1979. It wasnt just the football, they had charisma and got the whole town talking about football again.

I have a feeling Jolley mighty well be the man to have a similar effect.

After years in the doldrums we are crying out for the return of a decent side playing attractive football. From what we saw against Notts County, there is every chance Jolley will deliver.  If we get on a good run I think we will see the crowds increase very nicely indeed.

Maybe I am just a deluded optimist, but the evidence of the last few games was very much pointing in the right direction.

Quoted from RonMariner

I have a feeling Jolley mighty well be the man to have a similar effect.

After years in the doldrums we are crying out for the return of a decent side playing attractive football. From what we saw against Notts County, there is every chance Jolley will deliver.  If we get on a good run I think we will see the crowds increase very nicely indeed.

Maybe I am just a deluded optimist, but the evidence of the last few games was very much pointing in the right direction.

I agree Ron....im hoping he makes some good signings to keep the optimism going.

Quoted from realist

Lawrie McMennemy and George Kerr caused the peaks in 1972 and 1979. It wasnt just the football, they had charisma and got the whole town talking about football again.

The team did the talking in 79/80 it was an outstanding season with locally born players throughout the team. I'm not sure Kerr was particularly charismatic, and it was Tom Casey and John Newman that had assembled that outstanding bunch of players. The impetus carried us through until it was all wrecked by Ly*ns.

To increase gates we need to engage the community. I can think of 3 games next season where the Osmond may sell out - Lincoln, Notts County and Tranmere. So that is 20 league games where the club should be doing everything in their power to get 300 local school kids and their parent in the Osmond for free. Incentives also need to be there for the next generation. 2x under 12 tickets free with a paying adult which would suddenly make an afternoon at the football a bit more affordable for the masses and convince some of them freebies to return.

If the club managed all the catering, some of the lost revenue from reduced ticket costs would be regained this way.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

To increase gates we need to engage the community. I can think of 3 games next season where the Osmond may sell out - Lincoln, Notts County and Tranmere. So that is 20 league games where the club should be doing everything in their power to get 300 local school kids and their parent in the Osmond for free. Incentives also need to be there for the next generation. 2x under 12 tickets free with a paying adult which would suddenly make an afternoon at the football a bit more affordable for the masses and convince some of them freebies to return.

If the club managed all the catering, some of the lost revenue from reduced ticket costs would be regained this way.

Absolutely no chance of Tranmere selling out. And past experience says Notts will only do so if they are doing well. Lincoln’s bandwagon will probably mean they will sell out, besides that probably Coventry if they don’t go up.

I think one of the problems is that the matchday experience is shite, it hasnt really changed in over 40 years whilst customer expectations have increased. I can't have a urine and get an overpriced poor quality cup of tea and sausage roll in the half time interval. The toilets are really appalling and there is a relunctance to spend a few quid to make them better. I would really enjoy some othee snacks  / food with some Bolgheri superior and would pay a premium for this but under Fenty we get nothing

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The team did the talking in 79/80 it was an outstanding season with locally born players throughout the team. I'm not sure Kerr was particularly charismatic, and it was Tom Casey and John Newman that had assembled that outstanding bunch of players. The impetus carried us through until it was all wrecked by Ly*ns.

Although Lyons was hated the more observant fans could see he was just the scapegoat used by the then board of directors to trim the player's wage bill and cream off the assets.

Sounds familiar? It should do.

Lyon confused himself with Roy of the rovers , his whole tenure was a ego trip .

Quoted from Posh Harry

Absolutely no chance of Tranmere selling out. And past experience says Notts will only do so if they are doing well. Lincoln’s bandwagon will probably mean they will sell out, besides that probably Coventry if they don’t go up.

Tranmere and Notts get reasonable home crowds, better than ours (but they have much better stadia) but their away support is sh*t. Notts didn't even sell out the Osmond for a critical game - if they'd won they would have still been in with a shout for automatic promotion. Northampton and Oldham will bring good followings if they are doing well. Lincoln will fill the Osmond for the foreseeable future and Cov will fill it if they are up there. Chesterfield going is a loss of a good following but overall I think we'll get a marginal increase in away numbers - Bury will bring more than Barnet and Accy and Wycombe are poor travellers. Crowds should go up overall if we get a half decent start.

Have to disagree with you about Lyons and the board.

Lyons was a complete and utter idiot who sounded like he knew what he was doing but in reality he was 20 years behind the time. He over trained the players to such an extent that several players had to have hernia operations as a result of his methods. He got rid of Gary Lund an England U21 international because apart from scoring 20 goals a season he didn't run around like a headless chicken. He then promoted himself to center forward so he could win the hoofs from our defenders.

He made Slade look like a tactical genius