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Jarmo.Is.God
May 8, 2018, 9:33am

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Seems Carlisle are impressed with Jolley and going to try the same route:

CUOSC, whose directors will have input into the manager decision at Carlisle, have said in their latest briefing that they favour a "young coach" rather than an "experienced operator". "A manager who is committed for the long term, rather than a short term sticking plaster

It not guaranteed to always work, but its definitely worth risking that going for an experienced manager on a lot more money with no desire to win anything anymore
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Get Jolley on a 2 year contract now before they come sniffing
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Six months rolling deters potential suiters  as if a team wants a manager they want him then and now not in six months time which this type of contract dictates so it is a good safe guiding measure but can give out the wrong message to the recipient of the contract so yes sign him long term .
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Quoted from Townee82
Six months rolling deters potential suiters  .


Like Shrewsbury?
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Interesting how lower league clubs are now turning our attention to younger coaches while the lower half of the Prem continue to give jobs to the same circle of managers e.g. Pardew, Allardyce, Pulis, Hughes, Moyes, etc.

Those managers can walk in, immediately command respect and have enough experience to turn things round quickly. That's the positive. But long term they leave no legacies. They're not given the time to do so.

I'd like Grimsby to be a club that gives managers time. I give the board credit for standing by Hurst and I'd like them to do the same with Jolley. While we're all keen to see us progress on the pitch, I'd be quite happy for us to progress off it i.e. youth team, community involvement, fan engagement, Trust, etc and stabilise on the pitch for the long term health of the club.


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Well Richmarimer, Hughes after tonight may have relegated 2 premier teams in the same season, how does he still keep getting appointments.
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Quoted from pizzzza


Like Shrewsbury?


It's not like they got him for free. He didn't want to be here and a large portion of the fans didn't want him here.

It must be something like 10 times as many managers get sacked vs moving on to another club during a contract. 6 month rolling contract protects the club in both aspects with little payoff but clubs can't poach them at the end of the contract. Can somebody please explain why the hatred for these contracts other than the fact that they're not the common thing done in football? I don't see any advantages for GTFC in a 3 year contract over a 6 month rolling contract. Happy to be enlightened.
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It's not like they got him for free. He didn't want to be here and a large portion of the fans didn't want him here.

It must be something like 10 times as many managers get sacked vs moving on to another club during a contract. 6 month rolling contract protects the club in both aspects with little payoff but clubs can't poach them at the end of the contract. Can somebody please explain why the hatred for these contracts other than the fact that they're not the common thing done in football? I don't see any advantages for GTFC in a 3 year contract over a 6 month rolling contract. Happy to be enlightened.


A quote we have often heard from Mr J Fenty.
Never found any evidence that was the case. Yes some wanted change but nowhere near the 'large' portion claimed
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It's not like they got him for free. He didn't want to be here and a large portion of the fans didn't want him here.

It must be something like 10 times as many managers get sacked vs moving on to another club during a contract. 6 month rolling contract protects the club in both aspects with little payoff but clubs can't poach them at the end of the contract. Can somebody please explain why the hatred for these contracts other than the fact that they're not the common thing done in football? I don't see any advantages for GTFC in a 3 year contract over a 6 month rolling contract. Happy to be enlightened.


Larger compensation package if the manager is headhunted. Realise you've got an asset, back it with a longer contract, put's a larger price on his head if a bigger club comes sniffing. Also ensures there's a bit more money around if he leaves to invest in a better quality of manager..

Pretty much the same with players, not risking your best players running down their contracts and being on the open market every summer..

Handing out longer contracts does involve confidence in what you're doing, a bit of football knowledge, a longer term plan than season to season and a bit of foresight though..
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May 8, 2018, 6:42pm

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Larger compensation package if the manager is headhunted. Realise you've got an asset, back it with a longer contract, put's a larger price on his head if a bigger club come sniffing.

Pretty much the same with players, not risking your best players running down their contracts and being on the open market every summer..

Handing out longer contracts does involve confidence in what you're doing, a bit of football knowledge, a longer term plan than season to season and a bit of foresight though..


How is that the case? There's no nominal fee for buying out a manager's contract, there's no tribunal where it might be taken into account by a committee. The clubs have to agree on the compensation and then that is paid. The hiring club isn't going to wait 6 months to get him for free, so we have plenty of power in that situation.

As for the large portion of fans, I agree. It wasn't necessarily a large portion, but a very vocal portion that banged that drum loud and often. Unfortunately, they're the ones that get heard and Hurst clearly took it to heart.

eta. It's not a longer contract. A 3 year contract lasts 3 years, a rolling contract lasts indefinitely until one party chooses to end it.
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