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Yoda
April 2, 2018, 5:16pm
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I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.
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Well that’s just not true is it.

He’s certainly showing more tactical awareness than the last 5 managers combined. He’s just inherited a bunch of useless felicitations that none of us could get to play well if we tried.




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He’s having to put up with what those 2 “ word so terrible its not yet been invented” have left us with
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Quoted from Yoda
I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.


You're out of your depth on a Grimsby Town forum if you can't spell the name of Grimsby Town's Manager.


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Quoted from sutton mariner
Well that’s just not true is it.

He’s certainly showing more tactical awareness than the last 5 managers combined. He’s just inherited a bunch of useless felicitations that none of us could get to play well if we tried.


The 2nd halves in the last 2 games would suggest otherwise.
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He’s brought in Fox and so has improved the left back weakness we had. Other than that...


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I don't blame him one bit he's been left with a load of excrement , they just can't carry out the tactics due to being so shite
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Quoted from Tommy


You're out of your depth on a Grimsby Town forum if you can't spell the name of Grimsby Town's Manager.


Don't feed the troll Tommy


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Mmmmm he has just said he is not unhappy at our defending at free kicks.

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I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.


I wish you were out of your depth... in the North sea ffs!
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April 2, 2018, 5:28pm

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The players aren't doing the basics, when we clear the ball it 100% of the time comes straight back, do they learn from that, no, more of the same poor football, how many times has a Town player had time to control the ball but resorts to lumping it forward, Slade and Fenty has saddled this club with poor players.


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April 2, 2018, 5:29pm
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I asked the question after Saturday’s game as to why we are particularly poor in the second half which has to be down to fitness and pressure, not fit enough and simply cannot handle pressure.

Not sure I have ever seen a team that concedes so many free kicks in their own half as our current motley crew.
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I wasn’t one of those pushing for Jolley to be manager, but I don’t think he is a bullshitter or out of his depth. I think he has improved us slightly and I still hold out some hope. I’ll reserve my judgement of him until Christmas time.

Can people let the McAllister thing go, there is clearly something that has stopped three different managers from playing him. My guess is that he’s constantly telling managers that he’s not fit to play or has got a niggle.
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Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
I asked the question after Saturday’s game as to why we are particularly poor in the second half which has to be down to fitness and pressure, not fit enough and simply cannot handle pressure.

Not sure I have ever seen a team that concedes so many free kicks in their own half as our current motley Berrett.



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Jolley isn't a miracle worker. I'd say he's slightly improved us which is something given the quality of players and shattered confidence Slade is responsible for.
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Mr Jolley isn't out of his depth at all... he has simply
inherited a crock of shite... no matter what league we are in next season... if he stays I see a big turn around of staff and a vast improvement.... it simply cannot be as bad as this again...


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Like a lot of people, I believed and still believe that if we beat two poor sides in Chesterfield and Barnet, we will stay up. It's galling to lose today after having been in front, but realistically I didn't expect to even draw today. Whatever League we're in next season, Michael Jolley's biggest test will be in attracting decent players over the summer to a club in crisis.
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The slight improvements are there, a good first half and a clean sheet Saturday (but no 3 points due to a dismal forward line), a good first half today but no points due to dismal finishing again.
The pattern is there for encouraging first halves, the obviously weak strength in numbers of our squad tells the story once again as we can't make subs without weakening the team.
Rose simply has to hit the target from there, I'm bewildered as to the Berrett situation like everyone and Matt....did I read that he burst into their box in the 90th and fluffed the chance after STANDING ON THE BALL?!
I can accept snatched chances missed, or last ditch tackles denying us but clowning around with this standard of error ridden basic ball control is unacceptable. I'm taking those couple of minor positives I mentioned but I'd like some more, namely that some of these players on show today won't be playing again.


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it was always going to be down to the Chesterfield and Barnet home games. Chesterfield game will be a full house no place for the faint heated no good parking the friggin bus either. This match could also be the final straw for some of our hot heads fans .
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Quoted from psgmariner
He’s brought in Fox and so has improved the left back weakness we had. Other than that...


He could have brought in my wife and she would have improved the left back weakness.
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I've made up my mind-if Berretts playing next week I am not going. I cannot think of one match where he has contributed to a winning side. He is absolutely dire and I can't stand watching his mediocre performances anymore
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Well èven the best Managers cant stop players not marking at set pieces.  They can plan and instruct but i'm afraid if the players switch off, the manager can't do much more.  Fed up of players getting away with it in football in general and the Manager's always taking the flack.
Today there was effort but again not enough quality and although Wycombe created more chances, had we taken our 2 clear chances we could have got something from the game.  We don't defend well enough, keep giving away silly fouls around our box and don't take our chances.
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Chesterfield and Barnet are not only must win games but are winnable.
Swindon away is a game i think we get something from also Notts at home.
Village Green we should get a draw at the very least .
So we should be safe.Even with this squad.
Under Jolley things have changed and are changing the more he gets the players to buy into his way of playing. Just got to play for 90 minutes not 45.
We will be promotion candidates next season just you see
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Jolley deserves the benefit of the doubt, but it’s the same old players that cost us games. It’s frustrating that with the likes of Berrett he hasn’t realise the damage he does to us when he plays.


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The players are the ones out of their depth. He's just unlucky enough to be saddled with them for 5 more games.
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A lot of the criticism of James Berrett is justified, but it would be ironic if the point won by his goal against Port Vale kept us up.
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I'm wondering if  MJ's thinking was that he didn't expect a result against Wycombe and chose todays squad with the next two games in mind, not wanting to get any injuries to players he definitely wants fit for those must win games. I can't imagine he would have played Rose or Berrett  instead of McAllister today for any other reason.
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Quoted from Reverendmariner
A lot of the criticism of James Berrett is justified, but it would be ironic if the point won by his goal against Port Vale kept us up.


He's definitely cost us a lot more points indirectly this season with his complete ineptitude.
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Quoted from Yoda
I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.


no idea who you are but do us all a favour and *fu** the hell off.


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He's definitely cost us a lot more points indirectly this season with his complete ineptitude.


Only today he cost us a least a point by giving away a free kick (even though the the ball had gone out for our throw) which led to their equaliser.


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Yoda you're talking complete Shiite.what more could he have done in that second half? He stuck 3 attacking players on as soon as we conceded.we are better organisers and have more heart but as others have said we just aren't good enough.we give the ball away  too easily give away too many cheap fouls and so many times we done even clear the ball away cleanly
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I've made up my mind-if Berretts playing next week I am not going. I cannot think of one match where he has contributed to a winning side. He is absolutely dire and I can't stand watching his mediocre performances anymore


Well you got saturday free next week then.


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It’s the managers fault we give away to many fouls where is the discipline.
We always hack the ball away never play out how many times do the opposition get the ball straight back and attack again.
Our attack consists of aimlessly lumping the ball into the box.
I know we have poor players but he could make us hard to beat but we are not.
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Quoted from Yoda
It’s the managers fault we give away to many fouls where is the discipline.
We always hack the ball away never play out how many times do the opposition get the ball straight back and attack again.
Our attack consists of aimlessly lumping the ball into the box.
I know we have poor players but he could make us hard to beat but we are not.


Aye I'm sure he says before kick off "James, make sure you're late to every tackle, I want you constantly giving free kicks away in dangerous places". Give over.
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A lot of the criticism of James Berrett is justified, but it would be ironic if the point won by his goal against Port Vale kept us up.


Yes. Wouldn't it be ironic and brilliant if his 1 goal this season kept us up!
Where would we be without his massive contribution over two seasons I dread to think. Oh the assists......the crucial game winning strikes, the brilliant defensive play, breaking up attacks, defence splitting passes, running game after game, bossing his opponent. Yes, he and Clarke and Vernon and Matt and Hooper and Dixon and Rose....have done us proud and no mistake.
I shall definitely continue to show up game after game and get behind the lads. We are the twelfth man y'know at fortress BP.

Pack of losers.


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MJ is not out of his depth, but his squad is stuck on a sandbank.
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From what I can see, Jolley has a plan, I can see what he is trying to do - and the team are responding.
I think he'll be good long term.

We can all see he doesn't have the quality in the players - so let's just hope until he builds his own team he's 'lucky'...
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Yes. Wouldn't it be ironic and brilliant if his 1 goal this season kept us up!
Where would we be without his massive contribution over two seasons I dread to think. Oh the assists......the crucial game winning strikes, the brilliant defensive play, breaking up attacks, defence splitting passes, running game after game, bossing his opponent. Yes, he and Clarke and Vernon and Matt and Hooper and Dixon and Rose....have done us proud and no mistake.
I shall definitely continue to show up game after game and get behind the lads. We are the twelfth man y'know at fortress BP.

Pack of losers.


Exactly. Berrett is the kiss of death and has made a career out of being in relegated sides. I think i'm right in saying that every club he has played for since he left Huddersfield as a youngster have been relegated. Carlisle, Yeovil and York have had the Berrett effect and it looks like he is going for a full house here. He is a born loser, like so many of our side.
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Jolley out of his depth ffs ?! He’s only been here 5 minutes . There’s no way anyone could of worked him out yet .

On the other hand Fentys been here 15 years .....


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Slade averaged 1.0 points per game, Jolley is on 0.4, but he'll draw level with Slade if we beat Chesterfield.

Until Jolley gets a few more games under his belt and recruits his own players, the jury will still be out.

To my mind, half the job of being a coach these days is recruitment, as the turnover of players at this level is so great. You don't have time to spend years working with people. PH is probably not a great coach, but he knows a good player and more importantly can persuade them to sign for him.


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I'm not anti Jolley but just an observation

Slade got slaughtered by some for have all 11 men back at corners, Jolley is doing the same but nothing is being said about it...
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Quoted from Davec
I'm not anti Jolley but just an observation

Slade got slaughtered by some for have all 11 men back at corners, Jolley is doing the same but nothing is being said about it...


A lot of mangers are doing this statisticaly apparently less chance of conceding
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Quoted from dapperz fun pub


A lot of mangers are doing this statisticaly apparently less chance of conceding


Doesn't work for us 😉
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Massive improvement under Michael Jolley. He has my full support for what it's worth and he should be retained irrespective of what division we are in next season. Although I will not be attending if that tyrant remains at the club.
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Only today he cost us a least a point by giving away a free kick (even though the the ball had gone out for our throw) which led to their equaliser.


Classic case of a GY scapegoat. Lots of people to blame for conceding from a set piece not just the person who gives the free kick away. Don't get me wrong he's a very limited footballer but so our all of our squad. At least he's always fit and available for selection. No point slagging players off now anyway. Whatever happens we've only got them for another 5 games so may as well get behind them.
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He's always "fit" because he doesn't do anything to get unfit-he doesn't do anything
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I’ll defend Berrett here. He is not an athlete and he’s not going to get 10 goals a season from midfield. He’s a decent footballer, looks after the ball well, he doesn’t give it away very often and keeps us ticking over I feel. He’s undoubtedly very limited but not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. However, Summerfield is a far better player. He’s got more energy and more athleticism but that just about says it all when Summerfield has been one of our 2 outstanding players this season with McKeown.


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Quoted from Yoda
I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.


Give it a rest
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I think the most important thing to point out here is that Jolley is picking up the pieces after a disastrous 18-months.  We simply have not done enough in every single area of the club and our league position is reflection of such.

If/When we go do down it won't be because of Jolley, any sane person could not put that blame at his feet.

However, I've yet to see anything to suggest he is the man that will inspire us to roar back as a force.  Yes, he has had just over a month here.  Yes, he has got a shower to work with.  Yes, he's got limited time and had very little wiggle room to bring his own bodies in.  But we still seem to be repeating the same mistakes we made under Slade.  

Within this thread I've seen the names of Clarke, Hooper, Berrett, Rose, Matt, Vernon all mentioned as examples of why we're in such a bad position.  Yet Jolley persists with them, they seem to have endless chances.  We do have options, not great options but we do have options.   McAllister was our best player against Coventry by a country mile, yet he's dropped to the bench the following game for Mitch Bloody Rose, who then proceeded to keep his place for the next game.  In fact both Rose and Summerfield played 2 games in 72 hours despite having missed a fair weeks prior, it can't be a fitness issue.  Hell, it can never be a fitness issue as Rose is always blowing after five minutes!  McAllister was fit for Friday and was fit yesterday, Jolley just didn't pick him.

I don't care what's gone on before with McAllister and previous managers, I don't care if he's fallen out with Fenty, I don't care if he's taken a great big dump down Freeman Street.  He's our best midfielder and Jolley not picking him is stupid.  We're at the point where issues, egos, dramas etc. need putting to one side. We're not in a fortunate enough position where we pick a system and then pick the best team to suit that.  We've got a handful of competent players and the rest are useless.  You scratch away at 11 players who are capable and somehow hope they fit.  You don't pick the likes of Mitch Rose, Nathan Clarke, James Berrett who have let us down game after game after game.

Zac Mills, Reece Hall-Johnson, Sean McAllister, Harry Clifton, DJ, Harry Cardwell.   All lads who've not had a fair chance all season, suffering the same fate under Jolley whilst lesser players are selected ahead of them.  Mills has, in fairness, come back into the side the last few weeks.

From a coaching perspective, Rome was never going to be built in a day but I kinda hoped that we would see some improvement.  That's probably unfair as the majority of the players are awful and probably beyond coaching improvements.  But then again Jolley continues to select them.

The original poster states that Jolley has made us worse.  That's not true, I don't think we could get any worse.  But equally so I don't think he's improved us and I'm reserving judgement on him until he's at least had the chance to put his own stamp on things.  Judging him either way is unfair due to the constraints he's under.

Hindsight is great, but Jolley isn't what we needed for the short-term.   We needed a fire-fighter who may have stood a chance of giving us a slight bounce, that doesn't appear to be how Jolley approaches things at all.  I know we all want to start looking further than the end of our noses but if the short-term fails, we can forget about any long-term plans.
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I think the most important thing to point out here is that Jolley is picking up the pieces after a disastrous 18-months.  We simply have not done enough in every single area of the club and our league position is reflection of such.

If/When we go do down it won't be because of Jolley, any sane person could not put that blame at his feet.

However, I've yet to see anything to suggest he is the man that will inspire us to roar back as a force.  Yes, he has had just over a month here.  Yes, he has got a shower to work with.  Yes, he's got limited time and had very little wiggle room to bring his own bodies in.  But we still seem to be repeating the same mistakes we made under Slade.  

Within this thread I've seen the names of Clarke, Hooper, Berrett, Rose, Matt, Vernon all mentioned as examples of why we're in such a bad position.  Yet Jolley persists with them, they seem to have endless chances.  We do have options, not great options but we do have options.   McAllister was our best player against Coventry by a country mile, yet he's dropped to the bench the following game for Mitch Bloody Rose, who then proceeded to keep his place for the next game.  In fact both Rose and Summerfield played 2 games in 72 hours despite having missed a fair weeks prior, it can't be a fitness issue.  Hell, it can never be a fitness issue as Rose is always blowing after five minutes!  McAllister was fit for Friday and was fit yesterday, Jolley just didn't pick him.

I don't care what's gone on before with McAllister and previous managers, I don't care if he's fallen out with Fenty, I don't care if he's taken a great big dump down Freeman Street.  He's our best midfielder and Jolley not picking him is stupid.  We're at the point where issues, egos, dramas etc. need putting to one side. We're not in a fortunate enough position where we pick a system and then pick the best team to suit that.  We've got a handful of competent players and the rest are useless.  You scratch away at 11 players who are capable and somehow hope they fit.  You don't pick the likes of Mitch Rose, Nathan Clarke, James Berrett who have let us down game after game after game.

Zac Mills, Reece Hall-Johnson, Sean McAllister, Harry Clifton, DJ, Harry Cardwell.   All lads who've not had a fair chance all season, suffering the same fate under Jolley whilst lesser players are selected ahead of them.  Mills has, in fairness, come back into the side the last few weeks.

From a coaching perspective, Rome was never going to be built in a day but I kinda hoped that we would see some improvement.  That's probably unfair as the majority of the players are awful and probably beyond coaching improvements.  But then again Jolley continues to select them.

The original poster states that Jolley has made us worse.  That's not true, I don't think we could get any worse.  But equally so I don't think he's improved us and I'm reserving judgement on him until he's at least had the chance to put his own stamp on things.  Judging him either way is unfair due to the constraints he's under.

Hindsight is great, but Jolley isn't what we needed for the short-term.   We needed a fire-fighter who may have stood a chance of giving us a slight bounce, that doesn't appear to be how Jolley approaches things at all.  I know we all want to start looking further than the end of our noses but if the short-term fails, we can forget about any long-term plans.


I get your frustration in fact like many others I share it. Who do you think would have realistically come to GTFC to give us “bounce”. Indeed if someone came in short term that would have meant another re-start in May and potentially leaving us chasing our tails to put a squad together in time for August. Regardless of what league we are in next year we need a big, big re-build, at least MJs in place to start when the last game ends.

Re selection they have been pretty conservative but Mills is getting a run, RHB started yesterday, Clifton has had a couple of starts and despite having some pace Harry Cardwell has failed to make an impact. I would like to have see DJ and Suliman get more game time under both MJ and Slade.

On paper McAlister should be one of our best mid fielders but as he’s only played a handful of games since Aug 16 is he really the answer I’m not sure we’ve seen enough of him in a GTFC shirt to say.

Overall the squad lacks quality from top to bottom and whoever comes in is in reality only placing like with like.








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I get your frustration in fact like many others I share it. Who do you think would have realistically come to GTFC to give us “bounce”. Indeed if someone came in short term that would have meant another re-start in May and potentially leaving us chasing our tails to put a squad together in time for August. Regardless of what league we are in next year we need a big, big re-build, at least MJs in place to start when the last game ends.


Yep, I get that.  We can't keep thinking of the next five minutes only.  Because ultimately it's that attitude that has cost us and left us in this position.  In complete honesty I'm not sure who would come in and who we would be able to get.  I don't know who's available, willing etc.  But then I would expect the guy who took charge of the recruitment to have done all that.  I'm not saying him but someone like Ronnie Moore for the bounce he got at Hartlepool a few years back.  I said once Slade was dismissed I wanted an experienced fire-fighter for the rest of the season, a young progressive manager (someone like Jolley) observing with the clear mandate that he would take over in the summer and then install this philosophy.  The problem we have is Jolley is learning as he's going, we don't have the time to afford him that.  I'm not even sure this is a great environment to learn in.

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Re selection they have been pretty conservative but Mills is getting a run, RHB started yesterday, Clifton has had a couple of starts and despite having some pace Harry Cardwell has failed to make an impact. I would like to have see DJ and Suliman get more game time under both MJ and Slade.

On paper McAlister should be one of our best mid fielders but as he’s only played a handful of games since Aug 16 is he really the answer I’m not sure we’ve seen enough of him in a GTFC shirt to say.


Overall the squad lacks quality from top to bottom and whoever comes in is in reality only placing like with like.


Not saying McAllister is the answer.  Long term there's something not right.  Be it his attitude, his ability to stay fit or whatever.  But from the limited games I've seen of him and (unfortunately) the considerable games I've seen Rose and Berrett play in a GTFC shirt, I can quite comfortably say he's better than them by some distance.  Got to play your best players.

I agree the quality is lacking, that's evident and no-one could deny that.  But I'm not sure on the like with like.  A midfield containing McAllister, Clifton and DJ certainly offers a lot more than one that has Rose, Berrett and Woolford in.



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I’m 100% sure that MJ was an appointment for next season regardless of what level we are playing at. If (when) we go down though he’d be well served by replacing Wilco with an assistant who really knows that league.


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McAllister hardly played when he was out on loan, so clearly something not right. 4 Different managers cannot be wrong.
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McAllister hardly played when he was out on loan, so clearly something not right. 4 Different managers cannot be wrong.


To be fair due to injury he wasn’t available that much under Hurst and Bignot but Slade should have used him more when he got fit again.


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Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending.  anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.
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Do you think with players being on their last year as well as being on loan actually care?

I wonder if all the negativity surrounding Town whether it be Bra Gate, Fans Forum and everything else thats gone one has affected the players cos, it shouldn't their professionals, but they are also human beings with feelings etc. I think the majority may think they will not be here next season and are probably only giving 70%, were as players like Clifton would give 110%.



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Just one question....did he not try to do the same thing in Sweden?....take over a failing club, turned their style of play around slightly, get a couple of good results but ultimately the team got relegated??..then walked at the end of the season.??..so on that basis why are we making assumptions he will be here next season?...maybe 2 cracks of the same whip could finish his hopes of managerial success or maybe he rolls his sleeves up, gets dirty with GTFC and proves he has what he takes to turn a crock of doodoo into a top of the table world beaters...Championship in 5 years according to Mr Day
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Did you go yesterday Yoda?


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
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Slade averaged 1.0 points per game, Jolley is on 0.4, but he'll draw level with Slade if we beat Chesterfield.

Until Jolley gets a few more games under his belt and recruits his own players, the jury will still be out.

To my mind, half the job of being a coach these days is recruitment, as the turnover of players at this level is so great. You don't have time to spend years working with people. PH is probably not a great coach, but he knows a good player and more importantly can persuade them to sign for him.


There must be something about Ph, whether it’s coaching or man management because he’s had a few players follow him throughout his managerial career.

Pearson, Macca from Boston to us, then his current lot at Shrewsbury from us.
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There must be something about Ph, whether it’s coaching or man management because he’s had a few players follow him throughout his managerial career.

Pearson, Macca from Boston to us, then his current lot at Shrewsbury from us.


Even Henderson, who didn't get a sniff under Hurst here but was willing to turn down other clubs to work under him again.
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No i didn’t go listened onRadio humberside to Burnsy and Clive Wiggington.
Clive at one point said jesus to one of summerfield shots , he made some very valid observations to say he doesn’t watch us every week.
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McAllister hardly played when he was out on loan, so clearly something not right. 4 Different managers cannot be wrong.


You say that but Hurst picked him for the first two games before he got injured, within two months Hurst was then at another club.

Bignot and Slade were wrong about many, many things.  Especially when it came to players.  When on loan at York, McAllister started four games and made on appearance from the bench, I think he was only there for five games.  

For his age McAllister hasn't played much football at all, I think it's very fair to say that there is an issue with injuries and how soon he will break down again.  Maybe that's bad luck, maybe it's psychological as I got the impression previously that the club were struggling to diagnose the problem - reminded me of the Gary Cohen situation.  But he is a good player, a very good player at this level.  He was Scunthorpe's Player of the Year when they won promotion from this league.   You only had to watch him at Coventry to see how he influences the game.  He anticipates whereas our other midfielders react, considering he's not played for however many months he looked plenty sharp enough until fatigue kicked in and he's actually capable of putting his foot on the ball and controlling the play, rather than taking the first easy pass (which often puts a defender under pressure to hit it long) or going long himself.  

If we had a glut of quality midfielders ahead of him, fine.  There would be no questions asked.  But the fact of the matter is that of the other midfielders the only two I would want anywhere near the squad are Luke Summerfield, who for all his graft and effort this year has shone because he actually looks like he cares and Harry Clifton, who again hasn't really done much in his limited appearances but looks so much more likely to do something than the two jokers in Rose and Berrett, who offer absolutely nothing.  Rose has been protected by his goals somewhat but after his indiscipline at Yeovil should never have played for the club again.  Berrett, I'm actually struggling to think of a positive contribution from bar his goal against Port Vale.  For a guy who's played most the season that's dreadful.  I can't even say he's one of those players who you don't notice until they don't play.

Ultimately, I would really like to know the real reason why McAllister isn't selected.  Jolley states it's not injury but I cannot believe any sane manager would select Rose or Berrett over him.  If there's an issue with him as an individual then lets pay the last few months of his contract up and be done with it.
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No i didn’t go listened onRadio humberside to Burnsy and Clive Wiggington.
Clive at one point said jesus to one of summerfield shots , he made some very valid observations to say he doesn’t watch us every week.


Oh well, sack Jolley now then because if the players he didn't sign are taking shite shots then he must be a useless manager.
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I’m sorry to say Jolly has not got clue second half again nothing.
He’s made us worse than Wilko and Sludge.


Could not disagree with that sentiment anymore than i disagree with pineapple on pizza!!

The one thing i noticed on Friday(can`t comment on Mondays performance as i was kept at home by she who cracks the whip) was a determination, a steeliness, a desire to not go down like a punctured bike tyre!..the players were,for once this season, putting their bodies on the line to stop Steveneage in the box, Zak Mills ran his heart out covering where other defenders had lefts space, Danny Collins, who has no pace, tackled so intelligently against much quicker opposition.
So to say we`ve got worse is so far from the truth you`ll be believing man walked on the moon next!..
The one thing i will say about Jolley is he seems to be able to into players mindset, hopefully he can turn all the positives we have seen so far under his short tenure into a winning performance on Saturday.
Keep the faith and UTM!!
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Lol 😂
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Lol 😂


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I think it's more a case of Yoda doesn't have a clue about football managers! He could be a WUM but either way he's made himself look a complete tool!


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