As predicted

Everyone who knows a bit about footie and the majority on the fishy knew deep down we wer never gonna get anything from the last 2 games . cant understand the shock and horror from some fans . I think if we beat Barnet and chesterfield at home we stay up . thats without the possibility of picking the odd point up against Stevenage and other remaining games . Barnet are down IMO . even if they improve its to late for them . Chesterfield are as bad as us ( probs worse ) and wont catch us if we beat them at home . then a massive rebuild for next season and get to see a Jolly team not a Slade team.

Quoted from 11MARINER11

Everyone who knows a bit about footie and the majority on the fishy knew deep down we wer never gonna get anything from the last 2 games . cant understand the shock and horror from some fans . I think if we beat Barnet and chesterfield at home we stay up . thats without the possibility of picking the odd point up against Stevenage and other remaining games . Barnet are down IMO . even if they improve its to late for them . Chesterfield are as bad as us ( probs worse ) and wont catch us if we beat them at home . then a massive rebuild for next season and get to see a Jolly team not a Slade team.

Do you get to many games, it's not the fact we were playing teams that are well above us it is the way we lose, absolutely shite defending with no possibility of getting anything out of the game when we go one nil down.

Yes we can stay up but we need to win both games against Chesterfield and Barnet but that is much easier said than done.

I agree it was a tall order to get anything from those two games, but the fact we were outplayed at home by Port Vale, and totally capitulated against Lincoln and Coventry, conceding soft goals, is what is more worrying for me. If we went down fighting and lost by a goal, it would give you a bit more hope. Only positive for me is that i think MJ has perhaps been experimenting a bit in those games, and preparing for the more winnable fixtures. Pretty much stuck to the script for his first game and would have taken advice from others on team selection for that one. Since then, he has radically changed personnel and formations before and during the two away games. I'm hoping he has now got a plan for the more winnable ones, starting Friday.

Been watching town for 40 years . Played semi professional . IMO Barnet and Chesterfield will go down . trust me they are worse that us.

Quoted from 11MARINER11

Everyone who knows a bit about footie and the majority on the fishy knew deep down we wer never gonna get anything from the last 2 games . cant understand the shock and horror from some fans . I think if we beat Barnet and chesterfield at home we stay up . thats without the possibility of picking the odd point up against Stevenage and other remaining games . Barnet are down IMO . even if they improve its to late for them . Chesterfield are as bad as us ( probs worse ) and wont catch us if we beat them at home . then a massive rebuild for next season and get to see a Jolly team not a Slade team.

It depends on how much MJ is held back.

Hurst had another dig on Sky Sports News last night about how he's now working with honest, professional and supportive people who are pulling in the same direction..

We may be upgrading on managers, but while GTFC is still GTFC, we can't expect too much..

One season apart, we've only ever known relegation, non-league or struggling in League Two for the past fifteen years..

Managers have come and gone, but there's been only one common denominator..

Quoted from Bigdog

It depends on how much MJ is held back.

Hurst had another dig on Sky Sports News last night about how he's now working with honest, professional and supportive people who are pulling in the same direction..

We may be upgrading on managers, but while GTFC is still GTFC, we can't expect too much..

One season apart, we've only ever known relegation, non-league or struggling in League Two for the past fifteen years..

Managers have come and gone, but there's only one common denominator..

Seems to me Hurst can't forget about us

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Seems to me Hurst can't forget about us

Well he's certainly having the last laugh.

We are bad really bad at the moment, yes Chesterfield and Barnet may be below us in the league but whether or not they are any worse or better than us I doubt to be honest. I also think that we need more than just beating both of those at BP.

If we escape this season we'll only struggle again next term as the manager won't be backed and when I say backed I mean with the reasonable finance to replace the dead wood with the right blend of players to move us forward, no world beaters, no marquee signings, no hairs on the back of the neck additions and more importantly no journeymen who can't get a club, we just need fit, competent players with the right attitude and commitment MJ will do the rest.

In all honesty I can't see JF moving away any day soon if he really wanted to he would have gone before now and the loans could still stay in place. Whether or not he is involved day to day is immaterial with regard to getting any money back. If he walked away now you could pay an experienced general manager level replacement to take over the operational stuff as experience tells us in relativity this board have no football expertise or imagination.  

I appreciate he has put his own personal money in at certain points but in reality how much has he and the other directors  put in over the last couple of seasons? Very little I would imagine. More importantly how much inward investment have they secured, again very little.

The gates and player sales have propped us up and now we are in a position where the numbers are dropping and the squad is worth effectively nothing, in fact the 2 year deals for the Slade geriatrics make the task even harder.

Regardless of the last 2 results if Chesterfield win their games in hand they will have the momentum that we have so far never really gained this season and this leap frog us to safety.

Brace yourselves ladies & gents as I personally don't believe GTFC will ever be the same again after this disaster.  

Quoted from Bigdog

It depends on how much MJ is held back.

Are we making excuses for him already? I presume we are talking money, where do we expect it to come from? Notwithstanding the member ups in the past 15 years just how much do we expect Fenty (if its still him) to put in cash-wise next season.

We surely don't want Fenty to put in more cash and increase the benign loan - do we?

In the highly unlikely event that there is a new owner be it an individual or a Far East conglomerate they are not going to pump in huge amounts for a totally inexperienced manager to build a lower 2nd division or worse National League team

Jolley must have known, lets face it he only had to look around BP to realise, that the club, unless its from Fenty, has no money, it's on the bones of its bottom. Everything has to be done on the cheap  (it may be why he got the job)

Hopefully Jolley will spend whatever is made available more wisely than Slade and might call in some Burnley contacts

Quoted from Ipswin

Are we making excuses for him already? I presume we are talking money, where do we expect it to come from? Notwithstanding the member ups in the past 15 years just how much do we expect Fenty (if its still him) to put in cash-wise next season.

We surely don't want Fenty to put in more cash and increase the benign loan - do we?

In the highly unlikely event that there is a new owner be it an individual or a Far East conglomerate they are not going to pump in huge amounts to build a lower 2nd division or worse National League team

Jolley must have known, lets face it he only had to look around BP to realise, that the club, unless its from Fenty, has no money, it's on the bones of its bottom. Everything has to be done on the cheap  (it may be why he got the job)

Hopefully Jolley will spent whatever is made available more wisely than Slade and might call in some Burnley contacts

Definitely not..

But if he walks away at the end of the season and we employ a chief exec to replace him, the atmosphere around the town will lift, gates will jump dramatically, season ticket sales will at least hold firm resulting in a spike in income which will mean a much larger playing budget than if JF stays. Who knows, with him out of the way, external investors may finally be prepared to show their hand..

Quoted from Bigdog

Definitely not..

But if he walks away at the end of the season and we employ a chief exec to replace him, the atmosphere around the town will lift, gates will jump dramatically, season ticket sales will at least hold firm resulting in a spike in income which will mean a much larger playing budget than if JF stays. Who knows, with him out of the way, external investors may finally be prepared to show their hand..

Exactly this!

Remember Alec King in the late 70's early 80's? the right person makes such a difference.

Though it has to be said we have a chief exec who in essence just appears to be the club secretary.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Exactly this!

Remember Alec King in the late 70's early 80's? the right person makes such a difference.

Though it has to be said we have a chief exec who in essence just appears to be the club secretary.

If we could appoint a forward thinking Alec King type who would be given a free reign alongside a forward thinking Micheal Jolley, we may just have a chance of a brighter future..

Quoted from 11MARINER11

Been watching town for 40 years . Played semi professional . IMO Barnet and Chesterfield will go down . trust me they are worse that us.

I am not saying you are wrong but how much have you watched Barnet and Chesterfield this season?

Quoted from Bigdog

Definitely not..

But if he walks away at the end of the season and we employ a chief exec to replace him, the atmosphere around the town will lift, gates will jump dramatically, season ticket sales will at least hold firm resulting in a spike in income which will mean a much larger playing budget than if JF stays. Who knows, with him out of the way, external investors may finally be prepared to show their hand..

But can we really expect him to walk away? Would you?

I think the gates and therefore income will depend more on where we are playing (league or non-league) than on whether Fenty is still in situ

Jolley must have realised before he took the job (unless he was so desperate to get a mangers post that he didn't really consider it carefully) that he was going to have to run the club on the cheap, no big transfer fees just frees and loans (again). I just hope his eye for a player is better than Slades. If he goes down the young untried route (Burnley U23 lads on loan or released for example) we may have to wait a while and grit our teeth even more until the turn around comes.

Quoted from Ipswin

But can we really expect him to walk away? Would you?

I think the gates and therefore income will depend more on where we are playing (league or non-league) than on whether Fenty is still in situ

Jolley must have realised before he took the job (unless he was so desperate to get a mangers post that he didn't really consider it carefully) that he was going to have to run the club on the cheap, no big transfer fees just frees and loans (again). I just hope his eye for a player is better than Slades. If he goes down the young untried route (Burnley U23 lads on loan or released for example) we may have to wait a while and grit our teeth even more until the turn around comes.

Oddly enough he's got more chance of getting his money back or at least some of it if someone else came in.

Quoted from Ipswin

But can we really expect him to walk away? Would you?

I think the gates and therefore income will depend more on where we are playing (league or non-league) than on whether Fenty is still in situ

Jolley must have realised before he took the job (unless he was so desperate to get a mangers post that he didn't really consider it carefully) that he was going to have to run the club on the cheap, no big transfer fees just frees and loans (again). I just hope his eye for a player is better than Slades. If he goes down the young untried route (Burnley U23 lads on loan or released for example) we may have to wait a while and grit our teeth even more until the turn around comes.

Been doing that for years. I won't hold my breath as nothing ever changes for the better.

Whether we stay up or go down money will be tight as always if Fenty is still here,

The only good thing we have to look forward to is,

Jolley will bring in a better quality faster younger player in,

Hopefully about 15 of them.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Oddly enough he's got more chance of getting his money back or at least some of it if someone else came in.

Of course I agree entirely but I was responding to the 'walk away' phrase taking it literally, which of course he isn't going to do. He is clearly under pressure from all sides to go but In don't think he has reached the point (and if he has any sense he never will) where he waves goodbye to his investment

Personally I am not that bothered who comes in (I certainly don't want 'Shut up' Marley deciding whether they are suitable or not, if you believe what he said at the Fans Forum) but the benign debt will be a major obstacle

Quoted from Ipswin

Of course I agree entirely but I was responding to the 'walk away' phrase taking it literally, which of course he isn't going to do. He is clearly under pressure from all sides to go but In don't think he has reached the point (and if he has any sense he never will) where he waves goodbye to his investment

Personally I am not that bothered who comes in (I certainly don't want 'Shut up' Marley deciding whether they are suitable or not, if you believe what he said at the Fans Forum) but the benign debt will be a major obstacle

I'll specify "walk away"

Identify exactly a reasonable compromise figure regarding the loan and his shares which will clearly quantify his exit on monetary terms..

Have no influence on any decision making at the club whatsoever from that point..

It's like he's invested in a classic car, priced it too high so no one will buy it while carrying out the repairs himself when he's not a qualified mechanic so it makes the car even more undesirable and lower in value as time goes by..

Something has to change to break that cycle..

He holds all the cards, is only hurting himself and pushing the chance of getting his money back further and further away..

There's more than his £2m at stake, there's his reputation and lifetime legacy at stake too..

Does he want to be vilified for trying to hang on to all of the £2m which the vast majority doesn't think he deserves..

And at the same time ruin GTFC and the dreams of thousands of fans for what is looking like at least or generation or two?

He is never going to be the messiah he always dreamed he would be..

The sooner he realises it, the better for everyone including himself..

Quoted from Bigdog

There's more than his £2m at stake, there's his reputation and lifetime legacy at stake too..

Does he want to be vilified for trying to hang on to all of the £2m which the vast majority doesn't think he deserves..

And at the same time ruin GTFC and the dreams of thousands of fans for what is looking like at least or generation or two?

I don't think any of these three bother him as much as the cash and anyway if he was to go tomorrow he would still be vilified and never allowed to forget his mistakes.

He will always be remembered for everything bad that has happened in the last 15 years or so, apart from the money therefore he has nowt to gain (other than getting rid of a headache)

The few who recall how he bailed the club out will always be shouted down

Fenty is our Mike Ashley, except much much worse. Under his stewardship the club has gone into freefall and it will continue to get worse and worse.

The man simply has the worst judgment I've ever seen in a chairman. It was clear in early January that a) Slade had to go. b) We Weren't safe

He decides to rid of us of 3 definitely good enough league 2 players: Jones, Osborne and Clements and keep Slade until the window slammed shut.

This is simply disgraceful. I hope to god we stay up.

Quoted from Ipswin

I don't think any of these three bother him as much as the cash and anyway if he was to go tomorrow he would still be vilified and never allowed to forget his mistakes.

He will always be remembered for everything bad that has happened in the last 15 years or so, apart from the money therefore he has nowt to gain (other than getting rid of a headache)

The few who recall how he bailed the club out will always be shouted down

I'm sorry, I just don't agree. Events change perceptions..

If JF were to walk away with a compromise agreement it would soften the views of many but not all. If he wrote off say £1m, some would say it was a really benevolent act and he was putting the club before himself, some would say it should have been £2m.

What isn't healthy for him is the status quo we have today..

It's a situation he's got himself into and he has to figure a way out that suits his principles and priorities..

Quoted from 11MARINER11

Been watching town for 40 years . Played semi professional . IMO Barnet and Chesterfield will go down . trust me they are worse that us.

Er, is that the same Chesterfield that beat Notts County 3-1 today and are three points behind us with two games in hand and a better goal difference?

Just checking.