Does the Trust have the acumen to force Fenty out.

Quoted from Bigdog

It would have been inconceivable to think Kristine wouldn't be the fan's SLO a few months back though Barra. I've gone way past the point in assuming anything rational from this board of directors anymore..

good point bigdog. What was incontestably best for the club (to have Kristine in post, award winnng SLO, popular wth fans) was not the option chosen by Fenty, in his quest for absolute control over everything to do with the club. This board are such total member-up merchants there isn't anything they couldn't turn to excrement.

Quoted from barralad

We've been over this before but it's well due a revisit.
I (and most of my colleagues on the Trust Board) would love to claim a share of the credit for the success of the bars but aside from some quite imaginative work early on and some hands-on decorating we all know that the credit belongs to Shaz and her team. It is inconceivable to me that if the Trust didn't manage the bars and they reverted to the club that GTFC wouldn't ask Shaz and therefore her team to continue in their roles.

You have a naive faith in the club Barra. Look at every other pigging decision they've made with regard to staff in the last couple of yers.

Quoted from barralad

We've been over this before but it's well due a revisit.
I (and most of my colleagues on the Trust Board) would love to claim a share of the credit for the success of the bars but aside from some quite imaginative work early on and some hands-on decorating we all know that the credit belongs to Shaz and her team. It is inconceivable to me that if the Trust didn't manage the bars and they reverted to the club that GTFC wouldn't ask Shaz and therefore her team to continue in their roles.

You miss one very valid point though Barra.
Shaz and her team (as good as they are) won’t be able to sell beer to people that aren’t there !!!!  

Quoted from Civvy at last

You miss one very valid point though Barra.
Shaz and her team (as good as they are) won’t be able to sell beer to people that aren’t there !!!!  

It's a totally different argument though to the view that should the club re-take control of the bars Sharon wouldn't continue to run them. As the person who has to balance the Trust's books I'm well aware of outside influences that can affect bar takings. This season has seen a steady decline helped by the misapprehension that people are directly hitting the club by boycotting the bars..
When people talk about the funds the Trust can raise it should never be forgotten that the club were instrumental in providing a means by which the 30K for a seat on the board could be achieved. It is entirely true that at the time the arrangement suited both camps (the bars were losing money because of a lack of expertise in the running of them) but the point Abdul made is entirely correct...it was the club's money in the first place. The Trust have through Shaz and co just made a much better job of maximising it. There are several scenarios around what would happen if the Trust relinquished the place on the Board of GTFC but to assume that we would simply be allowed to carry on and use the bars money for our own purposes may be very wide of the mark.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You have a naive faith in the club Barra. Look at every other pigging decision they've made with regard to staff in the last couple of yers.

Not naive. In the case of the bars a view based on my working knowledge of the set up....sorry to disappoint   :

Quoted from barralad

It's a totally different argument though to the view that should the club re-take control of the bars Sharon wouldn't continue to run them. As the person who has to balance the Trust's books I'm well aware of outside influences that can affect bar takings. This season has seen a steady decline helped by the misapprehension that people are directly hitting the club by boycotting the bars..
When people talk about the funds the Trust can raise it should never be forgotten that the club were instrumental in providing a means by which the 30K for a seat on the board could be achieved. It is entirely true that at the time the arrangement suited both camps (the bars were losing money because of a lack of expertise in the running of them) but the point Abdul made is entirely correct...it was the club's money in the first place. The Trust have through Shaz and co just made a much better job of maximising it. There are several scenarios around what would happen if the Trust relinquished the place on the Board of GTFC but to assume that we would simply be allowed to carry on and use the bars money for our own purposes may be very wide of the mark.

I realise that.  But sorry Barra I will be boycotting the bars. If I give money to the trust. The trust passes it on to JF.
I realise this is a totally simplistic view. But that’s my basic logic.
I was pretty much decided before and recent revelations have confirmed that I personally do not agree with having a trust member in the board. If the bars don’t make £30,000 then the board can’t collect.  
I fully realise that if the trust step down, the bar profit won’t be theirs to allocate as they wish. If it was I’d drink in them. Because at least then there would be a modicum of control rather than just propping up an inept board.
As always, respect to the likes of yourself and all the hard workers. But at the moment I wonder if the Trust has changed its Motto to ‘four legs good, two legs better’. ( I don’t know how to do the thingy were you write a word and cross it out. But that word would be ‘bad’. ).

Quoted from Civvy at last

I realise that.  But sorry Barra I will be boycotting the bars. If I give money to the trust. The trust passes it on to JF.
I realise this is a totally simplistic view. But that’s my basic logic.
I was pretty much decided before and recent revelations have confirmed that I personally do not agree with having a trust member in the board. If the bars don’t make £30,000 then the board can’t collect.  
I fully realise that if the trust step down, the bar profit won’t be theirs to allocate as they wish. If it was I’d drink in them. Because at least then there would be a modicum of control rather than just propping up an inept board.
As always, respect to the likes of yourself and all the hard workers. But at the moment I wonder if the Trust has changed its Motto to ‘four legs good, two legs better’. ( I don’t know how to do the thingy were you write a word and cross it out. But that word would be ‘bad’. ).

That makes sense to me.

Virtually everything the Trust does in respect of raising money sees it all, in one way or another, pass to the Football Club. The ethos of the Trust, I believe, is to improve things for the supporters and represent the fans voice to the club. Any money raised will be used to improve the fans lot, i.e.the bars, or specific things in the club. Unfortunately, I get the impression that the money raised goes into the club pot.

Moving forward then maybe any money raised should be to used to buy further shares, that ways the club benefits but the Trust increase their holding. The current issue is that JF will still have control but every share purchased dilutes JF's percentage very slightly.

Is my thought correct or have I misunderstood?

Quoted from barralad

It's a totally different argument though to the view that should the club re-take control of the bars Sharon wouldn't continue to run them. As the person who has to balance the Trust's books I'm well aware of outside influences that can affect bar takings. This season has seen a steady decline helped by the misapprehension that people are directly hitting the club by boycotting the bars..
When people talk about the funds the Trust can raise it should never be forgotten that the club were instrumental in providing a means by which the 30K for a seat on the board could be achieved. It is entirely true that at the time the arrangement suited both camps (the bars were losing money because of a lack of expertise in the running of them) but the point Abdul made is entirely correct...it was the club's money in the first place. The Trust have through Shaz and co just made a much better job of maximising it. There are several scenarios around what would happen if the Trust relinquished the place on the Board of GTFC but to assume that we would simply be allowed to carry on and use the bars money for our own purposes may be very wide of the mark.

Doesn't that just show, that along with the catering, GTFC were missing out on much needed income by not maximising all possible income streams and it took the Trust to come along and show them how to properly manage them? All the while, the bar and catering (not to mention the toilet facilities) where all the bigwigs dine and drink, are of a much higher standard and seems to be well run. Funny that isn't it?

As much as I dislike Fenty running the club, he must have something about him if he has convinced a fans organisation to give him money. He is probably very good at getting the best business deals but terrible transferring those skills to a customer based entity like a football club.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

As much as I dislike Fenty running the club, he must have something about him if he has convinced a fans organisation to give him money. He is probably very good at getting the best business deals but terrible transferring those skills to a customer based entity like a football club.

Cutting your costs to the bone in order to increase margins and be competitive is great for a fish factory but not transferable ideology for a football club IMO