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davmariner
March 18, 2018, 10:32pm
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Glad that the penny is starting to drop for many people re. The Trust. In previous weeks I’ve questioned their motives and position in regard to JF, only to be criticised by a number of posters on this thread who are now rightly asking the same questions.

Good to be pulling in the same direction and highlighting the rot when it comes to GTFC. No coincidence that a number of Trust chairs/secretaries have been unable to work with the GTFC board.


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RichMariner
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Some say it's better to be on the board than not, but I feel the Trust was far more effective - and closer to the fans - when it wasn't on the board. It was also more of a concern for Fenty and the board while it was 'rogue'.

I've worked at a union and know what it means to represent certain groups of people, and it's always better to be on the inside than the outside. But there's no point being on the inside of an organisation if it's a dictatorship. You just tow the line, no matter what.

And then you have to consider the concerns that our Trust isn't representing the views of our fans.

I relinquished my membership a little while back when I sensed the Trust was drifting from the average fan. It's got too close to Fenty and the board, and clearly that's not something the fans want to pay for.

The problem with this football club comes down to one word: control.

Fenty and the board want to control everything - fans, newspaper, media, questions, message boards, social media... the list goes on, but where has it got him? What has it got him?

A huge 'benign' debt and a list of damaged relationships. He has zero respect from the majority of fans who simply want him to walk away.

I understand he wants to walk away, but wants to make sure he hands the reins over to someone who has the acumen to run a football club.

So, our future owners are potentially going to be selected by a man who wouldn't recognise football acumen if (to quote Blackadder) they stripped themselves naked, painted themselves purple and danced on a harpsichord signing 'I have football acumen'.


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The problem with this football club comes down to one word: control.

Fenty and the board want to control everything - fans, newspaper, media, questions, message boards, social media... the list goes on, but where has it got him? What has it got him?

A huge 'benign' debt and a list of damaged relationships. He has zero respect from the majority of fans who simply want him to walk away.

I understand he wants to walk away, but wants to make sure he hands the reins over to someone who has the acumen to run a football club.

So, our future owners are potentially going to be selected by a man who wouldn't recognise football acumen if (to quote Blackadder) they stripped themselves naked, painted themselves purple and danced on a harpsichord signing 'I have football acumen'.


100% agree.

Freakish control syndrome!

He does want to control everything from the heating (he literally controls it from home!) to any future owners
Any rationale thinking person finds him impossible to work with for long unless they become totally subservient to him.
Two directors of other clubs once told me ' no wonder nobody likes you (GTFC)" and that makes me think clubs are reluctant to deal with us and make no mistake players will be aware of this despite the majority being mercenarys too.

The repercussions of this control goes far deeper, and spreads much further, than BP and that's is why OUR club is utterly copulated for now and in the future.

I would add that most businessmen want control of everything BUT the ones that are truly successful learn to delegate and learn to listen and consider other views. Sadly Fenty sees alternative views as an attack on him personally
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March 19, 2018, 7:34am
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That’s nothing to worry about compared to some of the stuff that’s gone on 😂


Go on Paul, spill the beans? You don't owe them anything. Get it out in the public domain so we have a clearer picture of why we are where we are and what needs to happen to improve.
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March 19, 2018, 7:39am
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As someone had suggested earlier, probably better to wait until the end of the season otherwise it will be the fans fault again.
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As someone had suggested earlier, probably better to wait until the end of the season otherwise it will be the fans fault again.


Does that mean you may be willing to come out and say everything when the seasons finished?
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This isn’t about me (or at least it shouldn’t be) I just think people deserve to know some truths. The Trust isn’t representative of the supporters, it is led purely and simply by self interest.

There have been plenty of people within the Trust following this and reading it and no one has shot me down because they know it’s all true (and I have it in writing anyway).

It will eventually fall into obscurity or go bust and that’s a huge, huge shame.
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I find it odd that anyone sees the Trust as any kind of vehicle for self-interest when, let’s be honest, it’s relatively small organisation with little engagement from members and even less impact on the club on a wider scale. A culture of self-interest being the driving force behind it is even stranger to hear considering it’s had, what, 4 different chairs in a couple of years (of which Bax was one), a member in a senior position and rep on the board stand down, and a basically a lot of well-meaning people on a hiding to nothing. Even the greatest achievement in the Trust’s history, in OP, seems to have delivered little personal gain for the people involved and has only seemingly strained relations with the club (i.e. where the actual power/influence lies) even further. No I’m not saying this isn’t the case - obviously Bax knows s lot more than us - but anyone who thinks they’re gonna get any benefit from being on the board other than something on a CV and the joy of doing something for their fellow fans need their head testing.
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I find it odd that anyone sees the Trust as any kind of vehicle for self-interest when, let’s be honest, it’s relatively small organisation with little engagement from members and even less impact on the club on a wider scale. A culture of self-interest being the driving force behind it is even stranger to hear considering it’s had, what, 4 different chairs in a couple of years (of which Bax was one), a member in a senior position and rep on the board stand down, and a basically a lot of well-meaning people on a hiding to nothing. Even the greatest achievement in the Trust’s history, in OP, seems to have delivered little personal gain for the people involved and has only seemingly strained relations with the club (i.e. where the actual power/influence lies) even further.


I can't speak for Bax, but I think the Trust became that sort of vehicle when MP handed them the chance to have a rep on the board.  To some people that is a power thrill.  The fact that it's had 4 chairs in a couple of years tells me that they couldn't work with the club and so resigned.  I do think you have a point about them being on a hiding to nothing, but I put that down to the clubs' (ie JF) stance.
They have proved what they are capable of with operation Promotion and the success of the bars.  If you want to put that as relatively small then I think you over estimate the size of GTFC at this moment in time.  Just think what they could achieve if they weren't operating with two hands and one leg tied behind their back.  


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I jokingly remarked  'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football'
'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied
That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked

She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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I can't speak for Bax, but I think the Trust became that sort of vehicle when MP handed them the chance to have a rep on the board.  To some people that is a power thrill.  The fact that it's had 4 chairs in a couple of years tells me that they couldn't work with the club and so resigned.  I do think you have a point about them being on a hiding to nothing, but I put that down to the clubs' (ie JF) stance.
They have proved what they are capable of with operation Promotion and the success of the bars.  If you want to put that as relatively small then I think you over estimate the size of GTFC at this moment in time.  Just think what they could achieve if they weren't operating with two hands and one leg tied behind their back.  


I just find it strange that the Trust pays for a seat at a table where their views are superfluous.
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