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Grim74
April 13, 2018, 10:30pm
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Universities do teach things about atrocities committed under the Soviet Union for example. I should know. I did history at uni and was taught about totalitarianism. Left and right. But that has nothing to do with the situation in Syria. We're not talking about which totalitarians killed more people. We're talking about which part of the political spectrum is encouraging war in the middle east.

You said it was liberal lefties like Blair to blame. I don't think Blair is a leftie. He did more for the richest than the poorest in society. The wealth gap grew larger under him than under any PM for generations. I was a Lib Dem supporter and I used to boast that my party's policies were far more left wing than Labour under Blair (mainly to urine off my Labour supporting friend, but actually true). The left wing Labourites epitomised by Corbyn are much anti-interventionist than the Tories and the right wing of the Labour party. The push for war isn't coming from the lefties. It's so frigging self-evident even an imbecile would understand. Why do you find that so difficult?

The US is not led by a leftie. It is a country that hasn't had a left winger elected to its legislature for generations. Britain is not led by a leftie. France is led by some sort of Blair tribute act - someone who is trying to modify and protect capitalism not bring about a workers paradise. The press and media are by and large right of centre.

As for blaming Karl Marx. You have really got no understanding have you. Show me the parts of his writings where he urges any atrocity or extermination. Quote me chapter and verse. The man never even wielded power. He may have been used as an authority by Stalin and Mao and others, but that's like blaming Jesus for the Crusades of the Middle Ages and the Wars of Religion of the 16th and 17th centuries.


Correction I didn't mention liberal lefties like Blair. A true liberal leftie should never be in power and the USA understands this which is why they have prospered as a nation. It's a sad state of affairs when a true leftist movement becomes anything more than a protest party.

Here's a quote from Marx -
"You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible."

Now I've no idea if he wanted this hate speech to result in the death of so many millions but I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Here's another quote -
"There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror."

I'm sure you would agree that the revolutionary terror that was to follow included many atrocities and exterminations.

And another -
" the last capitalist we hang shall be the one that sold us the rope".

Nice chap wasn't  he!

And one last one -
The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.

Marx may not of been directly responsible for the deaths but the fact remains he was a peddler of poison if he hadn't written any of his works then millions of lives would have been spared,


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KingstonMariner
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I think Marx was probably being realistic. He knew what the response would be to communism. He knew they would have to be ruthless or be wiped out themselves.

'If voting changed anything they would ban it.' as the old graffito used to say.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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