Russia

George Galloway hits the nail on the head -  "Syria and Russia deny there was any chemical weapons attack in Douma by anybody and guess what? There is absolutely zero evidence any chemical weapons attack took place."

But let's not let facts get in the way because Blair has spoken and he wants a war!

Quoted from Grim74

George Galloway hits the nail on the head -  "Syria and Russia deny there was any chemical weapons attack in Douma by anybody and guess what? There is absolutely zero evidence any chemical weapons attack took place."

But let's not let facts get in the way because Blair has spoken and he wants a war!

Yes, and that well-known leftie liberal Donald Trump.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes, and that well-known leftie liberal Donald Trump.

You talking about the same Donald Trump that the leftie liberals accused of being in collusion with Russia in there pathetic attempt to void the election?

Forget Bliar...we have a bunch of inbeciles running this country who cannot wait to rush into an armed conflict without any intention of consulting parliament and a distinct lack of any evidence. I hope those on the right who continue to (rightly) condemn Bliar over Iraq save some of the criticism for the woefully inadequate May and her stooge Boris the Bonkers.

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Forget Bliar...we have a bunch of inbeciles running this country who cannot wait to rush into an armed conflict without any intention of consulting parliament and a distinct lack of any evidence. I hope those on the right who continue to (rightly) condemn Bliar over Iraq save some of the criticism for the woefully inadequate May and her stooge Boris the Bonkers.

Absolutely! scarecrow May is trying to be a pound shop Margaret Thatcher but in reality she's no fit enough to hold her handbags never mind public office.

Quoted from Grim74

You talking about the same Donald Trump that the leftie liberals accused of being in collusion with Russia in there pathetic attempt to void the election?

Yes. The same. Just because the Russians helped him into power (if that's true, and I can see why it was helpful to them) doesn't mean he won't flip flop around with lots of bluster. The guy's a prat and he's no leftie. My point still stands.

The danger of war isn't coming from lefties - Blair is a closet Conservative. The Lib Dems were more leftwing.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes. The same. Just because the Russians helped him into power (if that's true, and I can see why it was helpful to them) doesn't mean he won't flip flop around with lots of bluster. The guy's a prat and he's no leftie. My point still stands.

The danger of war isn't coming from lefties - Blair is a closet Conservative. The Lib Dems were more left wing.

Oh FFS don't try and take the moral high ground from a leftists point of view!!! Since the turn of the last century we have had many wars for various reasons.. economic gain, territorial gain, religion etc and there has been many millions killed, but the numbers killed in all these wars is dwarfed by the numbers murdered by left wing ideology.

It makes me wonder how we never forget the horrors of the Nazi's that are rightly condemned but why not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught and is covered up is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in the history of mankind. If only our university's could teach the fact that you don't  have to be in favor of death camps or wars of economic and territorial gain to be a tyrant. The only requirement is that you have to believe in the primacy of the State over individual rights.

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Oh FFS don't try and take the moral high ground from a leftists point of view!!! Since the turn of the last century we have had many wars for various reasons.. economic gain, territorial gain, religion etc and there has been many millions killed, but the numbers killed in all these wars is dwarfed by the numbers murdered by left wing ideology.

It makes me wonder how we never forget the horrors of the Nazi's that are rightly condemned but why not those of socialism and communism? What goes untaught and is covered up is that socialist and communist ideas have produced the greatest evil in the history of mankind. If only our university's could teach the fact that you don't  have to be in favor of death camps or wars of economic and territorial gain to be a tyrant. The only requirement is that you have to believe in the primacy of the State over individual rights.

Numbers dwarfed by the numbers murdered by left wing ideology? Care to clarify firstly what you mean by dwarfed and secondly provide some figures to back it up?

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Numbers dwarfed by the numbers murdered by left wing ideology? Care to clarify firstly what you mean by dwarfed and secondly provide some figures to back it up?

What's your problem? It's a sick amount of people killed by these Marxist nut jobs either way you look at the numbers between 1917 and 1987 Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin and their successors murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 62 million of their own people. That's more than the total amount killed throughout the whole of WW1! Between 1949 and 1987 China’s communists, led by Mao Zedong and his successors, murdered and were otherwise responsible for the deaths of 76 of million of there own people,  which eclipses the the total killed in WW2! Then we have places like North Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, South America and Africa many with millions more probably not even accounted for.
This Karl  Marx fellow was one of the worst people to have ever been born far worse than Hitler Who was only responsible for about 50 million deaths approx.

Universities do teach things about atrocities committed under the Soviet Union for example. I should know. I did history at uni and was taught about totalitarianism. Left and right. But that has nothing to do with the situation in Syria. We're not talking about which totalitarians killed more people. We're talking about which part of the political spectrum is encouraging war in the middle east.

You said it was liberal lefties like Blair to blame. I don't think Blair is a leftie. He did more for the richest than the poorest in society. The wealth gap grew larger under him than under any PM for generations. I was a Lib Dem supporter and I used to boast that my party's policies were far more left wing than Labour under Blair (mainly to urine off my Labour supporting friend, but actually true). The left wing Labourites epitomised by Corbyn are much anti-interventionist than the Tories and the right wing of the Labour party. The push for war isn't coming from the lefties. It's so frigging self-evident even an imbecile would understand. Why do you find that so difficult?

The US is not led by a leftie. It is a country that hasn't had a left winger elected to its legislature for generations. Britain is not led by a leftie. France is led by some sort of Blair tribute act - someone who is trying to modify and protect capitalism not bring about a workers paradise. The press and media are by and large right of centre.

As for blaming Karl Marx. You have really got no understanding have you. Show me the parts of his writings where he urges any atrocity or extermination. Quote me chapter and verse. The man never even wielded power. He may have been used as an authority by Stalin and Mao and others, but that's like blaming Jesus for the Crusades of the Middle Ages and the Wars of Religion of the 16th and 17th centuries.