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Hopefully when the club had had its investigation they truthfully explain why there were no police inside the ground, don't know the job description but regarding the SLO does he/she have no input on prior information regarding trouble?
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Why doesn’t Mr Dale employ a few more people from his own company? That way he will get a few more quid going from the clubs budget into his pocket via the company in which he owns. Just a suggestion.
Please don’t say he owns a security company or such like
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The blame belongs fairly and squarely with those causing the trouble. Don't call them fans though.
The actual root cause yesterday was Berrett scoring...he should be banned from all future matches. Our element in the lower jumped up to the hoardings and gave it the big un to the Vale end and Vale reacted...from that moment on the ability and effectiveness of our stewards, the lack of police in the ground, the gates being open all contributed to it escalating beyond what it should have. That is the clubs fault.The club needs to review its arrangements in light of it. Our stewards are essentially volunteers, supporters who use the opportunity to get paid and see some of the game....they are not professional crowd control, they are not physically upto hand to hand combat and pretty sure they dont sign upto to be either ( in general anyway)
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The club management have a duty of care not only over the fans but also of their matchday employees. If I were one of the stewards on minimum wage who were assaulted (reportedly) whilst trying to stop away fans opening the gate, I’d be wanting serious words with the Stadium Manager.
Same old story from GTFC towers - short term cost cutting will come back to haunt us. Who knows who got caught up in that yesterday, could have been absolutely anyone including women and children. That on top of a potential fine from the FA, injuries to staff, poor experiences for potential long-term fans (read customers) and nationwide negative press coverage, not a good look for an organisation trying to curry favour with the local council and get local support for a new stadium.
That’s the third time in 2 years, after Sheff Utd and Mansfield, where something like this has happened (off the top of my head) - who is actually looking at the performance of the people making these decisions? Who are they answerable to? Ian Fleming as CEO? The board? Someone’s dropping the ball here, consistently, and fans deserve much better.
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My final say on this (time being).
Do the club not run due diligence/risk assessments for each individual game. Or are they just banded naively as 1?
The safety of each and every single person (supporter/staff/press) is of the upmost importance, and unfortunately it seems that this hasn't happened on this (and allegedly) other occasions.
I don't think it would come to it, but what if someone had been seriously injured? what if the club were to lose points because of trouble?
The more we struggle through this season, the more amateurish the club looks.
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Cue a statement from Fenty, oh no, I forgot we don't hear from him when we should, he only gushes forth periodically about 'all pulling together' and 'get behind the lads' when things get hot for him.
Come on John, speak to us, explain yesterday (if you can) its another chance to blame the fans (Vale ones obviously) after all you normally don't hesitate to lay everything at fans door. You could of course blame the police (I think the Sheffield United debacle was their fault according to you if I recall correctly)
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I used to regularly compile health and safety risk assessments as a shop steward. It would not take a greatd eal of knowledge to do something similar at BP, and what I can not fathom out - along with others - is why they very obviously don't have them with procedures in place if something does kick off.
1. Categorise every team as soon as the season's fixture lists come out, based on past experience where available. Category 1 being the teams most likely to have a troublesome following down to Category 5, those with no history of football related violence. In fact, the police should have these already, so why not liaise with them in the first instance?
2. Put procedures into place for those games where there is the potential for trouble, including keeping the away fans inside the ground during the game itself, and only allowing away fans to exit onto Harrington Street.
3. Advise fans beforehand in the local press where the club have identified the high risk category games, and the procedures in place for both sets of fans to try and ensure a risk free environment.
That's really all folk need to know. They do need to know though that the club are not compromising their health and safety by not having valid risk assessments which will be carried out be professionally trained matchday personnel. It's not rocket science. It's logic and common sense.
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The fact is that this was so avoidable. Sheff Utd was known about in advance. Mansfield was a total surprise to all. Police and Town hooligans had no idea. The police already had intelligence regarding yesterday and policed well in Cleethorpes. I got caught up in a mini fracas near Wetherspoons pre-match, but Police were soon on hand. So I don’t see how the club can escape blame on this one. I feel for the stewards and whilst they completely got it wrong they had no outside back up. Surely Nick Dale ( if it is still him in charge) has a lot to answer for !
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We haven't paid for police inside the ground for some time i believe. We have undoubtedly saved a bit of dosh in that time, but yesterday, we weren't playing Barnet, we were playing Port Vale, with a well known and long standing hooligan element. They were causing trouble in Meggies all morning and had already been corralled by the police. There was always a chance something would kick off, but if you are going to make the decision to use your own stewards inside the ground, at least make sure you have the goons penned in. They had too much free reign. It's ok to cut costs against those sides fans that don't need to be managed, but any football fan will know that Port Vale are not such a set of fans. The club should have known that too.
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The fact is that this was so avoidable. Sheff Utd was known about in advance. Mansfield was a total surprise to all. Police and Town hooligans had no idea. The police already had intelligence regarding yesterday and policed well in Cleethorpes. I got caught up in a mini fracas near Wetherspoons pre-match, but Police were soon on hand. So I don’t see how the club can escape blame on this one. I feel for the stewards and whilst they completely got it wrong they had no outside back up. Surely Nick Dale ( if it is still him in charge) has a lot to answer for !
Mansfield made it clear they were coming mob handed via lads on England duty plenty knew they were coming
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