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Pretty sure if you search you tube under Grimsby v Stoke football trouble you will see the video of that day, makes Saturday look like a picnic but neither should be happening inside a football ground. Said to my brother on way to the game when we saw the massive police escort accompanying the Vale fans buses that it all appeared a bit OTT, obviously not. Just don’t expect that nowadays whereas 30 years ago be surprised if there was no trouble.


Ah i might have a look.  Thanks mate.

Yeah its a different era nowadays with young families in pretty much every stand.




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Pretty sure if you search you tube under Grimsby v Stoke football trouble you will see the video of that day, makes Saturday look like a picnic but neither should be happening inside a football ground. Said to my brother on way to the game when we saw the massive police escort accompanying the Vale fans buses that it all appeared a bit OTT, obviously not. Just don’t expect that nowadays whereas 30 years ago be surprised if there was no trouble.


With respect I disagree, I think football fans do expect it at BP and I think that is why our home crowds are pretty excrement and generally away followings at BP very low. We've had the reputation for years with opposition fans of "punching above our weight" for hooligans. So that deters normal fans and attracts dickheads opposition fans. This won't end until we get away from Blundell Park - hemmed by lots of narrow streets and alleys around the ground - difficult to police. Cleethorpes just up the road and at the end of train line to get tanked up. How often is there trouble at the new stadia up and down the country (apart from West Ham!) - they are generally surrounded by big open circulation areas - easy to police easy to segregate.
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With respect I disagree, I think football fans do expect it at BP and I think that is why our home crowds are pretty excrement and generally away followings at BP very low. We've had the reputation for years with opposition fans of "punching above our weight" for hooligans. So that deters normal fans and attracts dickheads opposition fans. This won't end until we get away from Blundell Park - hemmed by lots of narrow streets and alleys around the ground - difficult to police. Cleethorpes just up the road and at the end of train line to get tanked up. How often is there trouble at the new stadia up and down the country (apart from West Ham!) - they are generally surrounded by big open circulation areas - easy to police easy to segregate.


Well I do not live in Grimsby so cannot comment on the level of trouble that may take place before or after a game as we park near Tesco express on Grimsby road and only Mansfield fans have ventured that way in the last few years.

My mate is a Luton fan and my Son in Law, sadly a season ticket holder at Lincoln, both go to BP every season and neither have ever commented about trouble affecting their visit.

I agree many a football fan may have stopped going when we look back at the trouble that we witnessed v !eeds, Stoke and the Sheffield based teams which was not restricted to one area but seemed to break out anywhere within two miles of the ground but if people are not attending for that reason nowadays I would be surprised.

No doubt the next two fixtures may also sadly attract the wrong element but let’s hope not.
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Well I do not live in Grimsby so cannot comment on the level of trouble that may take place before or after a game as we park near Tesco express on Grimsby road and only Mansfield fans have ventured that way in the last few years.

My mate is a Luton fan and my Son in Law, sadly a season ticket holder at Lincoln, both go to BP every season and neither have ever commented about trouble affecting their visit.

I agree many a football fan may have stopped going when we look back at the trouble that we witnessed v !eeds, Stoke and the Sheffield based teams which was not restricted to one area but seemed to break out anywhere within two miles of the ground but if people are not attending for that reason nowadays I would be surprised.

No doubt the next two fixtures may also sadly attract the wrong element but let’s hope not.


Perhaps I over-egged it a bit - and should have said it is one of the factors that still discourages people including away fans, others being the run-down nature of the area and poor facilities at BP. Altogether making BP not a particularly enjoyable experience. Look at the clubs within an 80 mile radius of BP - most have new stadia or redeveloped ones. Before their moves to new grounds when did Rotherham, Chesterfield and Donny ever regularly have bigger home gates than us.

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That puts paid to my theory then. We had a pretty good view of the incident from the Upper, but couldn't see all the way to the corner as we sit near the halfway line. Didn't see them myself, so just assumed they were outside the ground getting ready for the end of the game, which was only a couple of minutes away when we scored.



Police were refused to police inside ground by GTFC as club said their stewards could handle it and despite police advising against this, club refused.

Police still policed outside and did good job there.

Filming inside was police spotter getting evidence that stewards could not handle it so they can take club to a review of their safety certificate perhaps re match safety I am told.

Cmon guys at club, don’t penny pinch on our safety when advised otherwise
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Police were refused to police inside ground by GTFC as club said their stewards could handle it and despite police advising against this, club refused.

Police still policed outside and did good job there.

Filming inside was police spotter getting evidence that stewards could not handle it so they can take club to a review of their safety certificate perhaps re match safety I am told.

Cmon guys at club, don’t penny pinch on our safety when advised otherwise


That would seem to explain things. The police did eventually appear in the ground when the stewards failed to get things under control. Whatever the why's and wherefore's, it was all a bit of a mess.
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The thing is, you've got a guy sat in a box monitoring the crowd and issuing out bans for the littlest reasons going and I know of a few people who are hardant town fans who have been subjected to club bans for the stupidest things ever. This guy named nick dale must of clearly known that on Saturday due to the large police present outside the ground that there was a high risk of it kicking off in, so perhaps he should give himself a ban for letting it happen. Ive heard stewards where radioing him saying its going to go off and his words where you'll be fine. Now saying you'll be fine to an old guy, woman, is pretty sad in my eyes, some of those stewards are clearly not fit enough for this kind of thing its plain and simple, they might be good enough to be telling you to stand behind a line with a homosexual but when it comes down to it they haven't a chance and are going to get hurt. This though will be Nick Dales heaven, he will be rubbing his hands going through the footage so he can add more bans to the club than ever. Grimsby have and always will be an attraction to clubs with travelling mobs and Saturday was a prime example.  
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The thing is, you've got a guy sat in a box monitoring the crowd and issuing out bans for the littlest reasons going and I know of a few people who are hardant town fans who have been subjected to club bans for the stupidest things ever. This guy named nick dale must of clearly known that on Saturday due to the large police present outside the ground that there was a high risk of it kicking off in, so perhaps he should give himself a ban for letting it happen. Ive heard stewards where radioing him saying its going to go off and his words where you'll be fine. Now saying you'll be fine to an old guy, woman, is pretty sad in my eyes, some of those stewards are clearly not fit enough for this kind of thing its plain and simple, they might be good enough to be telling you to stand behind a line with a homosexual but when it comes down to it they haven't a chance and are going to get hurt. This though will be Nick Dales heaven, he will be rubbing his hands going through the footage so he can add more bans to the club than ever. Grimsby have and always will be an attraction to clubs with travelling mobs and Saturday was a prime example.  


The only people that will get bans from this will be Grimsby fans , its always the case
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If I was a steward than I would no way feel it was my job to get between rival "fans" nowadays, and that's from someone who followed town home and away in the 70/80's. As for apposition fans coming to BP, my daughter was at uni with a York fan and when she told him her father supported town his first comment was that it was one of the scariest grounds to visit, the locals were far from friendly.
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