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adam0202
March 12, 2018, 5:41pm Report to Moderator
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Hello lads and lasses, Vale fan here , just thought i'd offer my thoughts if you don't object.
I was there having drove up with my lad and parked by Sidney Park.
Can i quell any mis-information about Stoke lads being with Vale, it has not and would never ever happen so sorry to whoever posted but that is drivel.
At our home game in October the Police Intelligence estimated 1200 GTFC fans and a potential for disorder. The reason i know this is because one of the lads who usually comes with us is Plod.
Anyone who came to that game would of thought the Queen or Theresa May was at the game , i have never seen so many old bill in my life . Total overkill but given Saturdays events maybe not. I think you bought about 600 ish if my memory serves me right.
On to events on Saturday, i am a 48 year old bloke who has followed Vale home and away for years. It was well known down here that there were 2 bus loads of so called ' lads' going to the game. No idea what went wrong between Staffs plod and is it Humberside plod ?
We have attracted an albeit younger chavvy mob of clowns over the past couple of seasons. The games they usually attend would be the likes of Bolton and Sheff Utd where there was quite serious trouble last season.
This season the games they were targeting were Lincoln, Grimsby and Mansfield. Lincoln was a damp squib because about 40 of them went to Benidorm on a Stag do.
Saturday was well known about and based also on the reputation yourselves have. The same clowns will be at Mansfield in about a months time.
Clearly the goal was the spark for the violence but i believe they had made themselves known in Cleethorpes before the game.
After the game me and my lad pretty much kept our gobs shut as it wasn't a nice experience walking back to the car.
Neither set of fans covered themselves in glory though our idiots clearly started the trouble.
Felt sorry for the stewards who were literally on a hiding to nothing.
My overall moan has to be with the old bill, if someone like me knew that there were 2 bus loads going up then what on earth were they doing/ thinking ?
I have seen moans about your chairmen etc not wanting to pay the costs so i can't comment on that.
Petty maybe this bit but the bloke who did the aerial video sounded an absolute moron too , some of his comments were bizarre.
Let us hope that this doesn't start some sort of idiotic mammary for tat rivalry between us because if we both manage to stay up i can imagine some sort of revenge mission would be on the cards next season.
Great atmosphere too in our end spoilt by the antics of a minority.
Whilst i am no angel and can handle myself i can honestly say i have never been to a football game with the intention of kicking someones head in.
Good luck in staying up as you are a proper club and hope you don't mind my observations.

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March 12, 2018, 5:44pm Report to Moderator
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You must have swear interpreter as mammary was not what i put  
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Some interesting background to the trouble thanks for posting. Hope we both stay up, us more so though obviously!
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Fair post Adam. Always good to differentiate between us fans and those 'lads' as we know them, regardless of our affinities and colour of scarf.
There's a small but definite problem with the Vale following, and as much a problem with our own clubs security preparations when we clearly knew the potential for disorder and seemingly chose to ignore it.


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Quoted from adam0202
You must have swear interpreter as mammary was not what i put  


Quite a reasonable post mate... called it fair and square

I remember going to your place last game of the season (91-92) with us winning 1-0 to stay up and it relegated you

It wasn't pretty after that match but I don't think we've ever thought any more of it than just a show of frustration and emotion by your fans after being relegated ( similar to us at Burton, though that was us losing league status too )

IF we both stay up I don't envisage there will be any greater risk to the "normal" fans next season... the " t1t-for-tat " scenario could possibly happen but I'd say it's unlikely, especially as our away following is usually heavily policed, most times for no particular reason
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As far as i am aware, the police did know of the threat and subdued them pretty well in the main, outside of the ground at least. They couldn't do much inside the ground as our club didn't pay for them to be inside the ground. They did eventually enter the ground however. I think the Vale idiots saw an opportunity inside the ground to cause a bit of mayhem and took it.
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As far as i am aware, the police did know of the threat and subdued them pretty well in the main, outside of the ground at least. They couldn't do much inside the ground as our club didn't pay for them to be inside the ground. They did eventually enter the ground however. I think the Vale idiots saw an opportunity inside the ground to cause a bit of mayhem and took it.


Just watched a cracking video on Facebook from L3 Visuals of the game and interestingly after vale score and we restart the game the camera pans to the corner  of the ground where the vale fans kicked off and there was 6 police persons stood recording with a vid camera  so the where some plod in the ground but no where to be seen when the trouble stared
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Just watched a cracking video on Facebook from L3 Visuals of the game and interestingly after vale score and we restart the game the camera pans to the corner  of the ground where the vale fans kicked off and there was 6 police persons stood recording with a vid camera  so the where some plod in the ground but no where to be seen when the trouble stared


That puts paid to my theory then. We had a pretty good view of the incident from the Upper, but couldn't see all the way to the corner as we sit near the halfway line. Didn't see them myself, so just assumed they were outside the ground getting ready for the end of the game, which was only a couple of minutes away when we scored.
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The only trouble i have witnessed was v Stoke.  I will never forget being an 18 yo sat on the beam in the lower findus and watching Stoke fans break the goal.  I think it was 89-90 the atmosphere was amazing and Stoke fans never stopped singing.  I cacked myself thinking they nearly got through to the lower findus lol.

Anyone else remember that day.

I maybe mistaken and not sure if it was the same game but one of fans climbed the pole in the ponny with no top on.


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The only trouble i have witnessed was v Stoke.  I will never forget being an 18 yo sat on the beam in the lower findus and watching Stoke fans break the goal.  I think it was 89-90 the atmosphere was amazing and Stoke fans never stopped singing.  I cacked myself thinking they nearly got through to the lower findus lol.

Anyone else remember that day.

I maybe mistaken and not sure if it was the same game but one of fans climbed the pole in the ponny with no top on.


Pretty sure if you search you tube under Grimsby v Stoke football trouble you will see the video of that day, makes Saturday look like a picnic but neither should be happening inside a football ground. Said to my brother on way to the game when we saw the massive police escort accompanying the Vale fans buses that it all appeared a bit OTT, obviously not. Just don’t expect that nowadays whereas 30 years ago be surprised if there was no trouble.
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