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11MARINER11
February 22, 2018, 10:34am
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Dont shoot the messenger ! . Heard Wilko could possibly be in charge till end off the season , mainly because nobody suitable wants the job.
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Dont shoot the messenger ! . Heard Wilko could possibly be in charge till end off the season , mainly because nobody suitable wants the job.


I am not sure if you are right or not, but right from the start I have argued who would want to put their career on the line at this stage of the season, when he is unable to sign any players, we are in freefall and we have no investment?

If they really are unable to attract anyone decent then the correct thing to do is wait, but the only benefit we will have in the summer is that we will be definately a league club (hopefully)
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Course you did. Amazing how many people are 'hearing' stuff!
Tedious as it is for the few of us not in the know, we just have it wait it out!
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Latest statement said interviews are continuing throughout this week.
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Yep this is what I heard too, askey turned it down yesterday.

Do not like the sound of this one bit , shows we can't attract the man we want.


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I am not sure if you are right or not, but right from the start I have argued who would want to put their career on the line at this stage of the season, when he is unable to sign any players, we are in freefall and we have no investment?

If they really are unable to attract anyone decent then the correct thing to do is wait, but the only benefit we will have in the summer is that we will be definately a league club (hopefully)


Spot on LCL, hopefully this will be how it pans out, worry is Fenty is likely to panic and appoint someone who was 20th or worse on the list.



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February 22, 2018, 11:33am

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Well I am not coming on here to tell you somebody in the know has told me this or that,

To be honest I don't know F all,

Then again a few on here know F all as well,

BUT

Say I have been told or I heard ,

Stop it children all will be informed when we have our new man.


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Well I am not coming on here to tell you somebody in the know has told me this or that,

To be honest I don't know F all,

Then again a few on here know F all as well,

BUT

Say I have been told or I heard ,

Stop it children all will be informed when we have our new man.


Do we really give a excrement Pete? There's sod all we can do to influence it and 80% won't agree with it when it happens anyway

At our age we don't expect anything from Grimsby Town FC anymore do we?

Nice to see you last Saturday despite the match!  



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Why Wilko til the end of the season? - Why not Ben Davies?
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Why not Dave Gilbert


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Could be that Wilko, as the incumbent, is the 'percentage'  option. He should know the players and he does have Dave Moore to help.
Town will be a more attractive option if league status can be maintained.  Its a big IF but surely they can be made harder to beat which is the starting point.
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I am not sure if you are right or not, but right from the start I have argued who would want to put their career on the line at this stage of the season, when he is unable to sign any players, we are in freefall and we have no investment?

If they really are unable to attract anyone decent then the correct thing to do is wait, but the only benefit we will have in the summer is that we will be definately a league club (hopefully)


I also know nothing about any imminent statement but I think LCL has hit the nail on the head regarding being in freefall, can't sign players etc.

If I was one of the potential targets and I was interested in the job, I would be inclined to say, "I would like the job but I am not prepared to put my reputation on the line which is what I would be doing if I joined now. If however, you are in LG2 next season and I have a full pre-season, starting with a level playing field, then I'm up for the challenge".

So I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilko continuing to the end of the season.

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I heard from my next door neighbour's 2nd cousin twice removed that we are appointing Carlo Ancelotti, and he heard from a mate of a mate of a mates ex brother in law's sons best mate who has a mate who knows somebody who is mates with James Mckeown's fathers best mates next door neighbour.

therefore it must be true
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This does not sound right to me.

Wilkinson is part of the problem, not the solution. He is hardly inspiring is he?  The Board know this as well.  

A manager who is at a lower league club or unemployed would probably accept this job.  No guarantees in the future that they will be offered another job as a manager.

Talking of a potential manager not accepting risk, no budget etc.  Paul Hurst went to Shrewsbury when they were bottom and likely candidates for relegation.  He kept them up and look where they are now?  No risk no gain.

Shankly and McMenemy etc accepted the risks of managing GTFC and turned potential into success.  Even Scunny have done well.  A good manager could have success at Grimsby.

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Do we really give a excrement Pete? There's sod all we can do to influence it and 80% won't agree with it when it happens anyway

At our age we don't expect anything from Grimsby Town FC anymore do we?

Nice to see you last Saturday despite the match!  



Good to see you mate I hope we are still in the league when we meet at our next game.

It will not please a lot on here but I can see Fenty promoting from within at the end of the season IF we do not get our 3rd or 4th choice,

Ben Davies and Danny Collins are coming to the end of their playing days so who knows ?

I don't  


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I heard from my next door neighbour's 2nd cousin twice removed that we are appointing Carlo Ancelotti, and he heard from a mate of a mate of a mates ex brother in law's sons best mate who has a mate who knows somebody who is mates with James Mckeown's fathers best mates next door neighbour.

therefore it must be true


Now that I can believe  


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I think wilko should get it because of his hairstyle, I mean thats good enough for me
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One half if the problem went in slade but we still have another half in wilko , I like him but we need fresh input and ideas.

If wilko stays then that's a bad decision imo. A new manager and assistant is required.


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This does not sound right to me.

Wilkinson is part of the problem, not the solution. He is hardly inspiring is he?  The Board know this as well.  

A manager who is at a lower league club or unemployed would probably accept this job.  No guarantees in the future that they will be offered another job as a manager.

Talking of a potential manager not accepting risk, no budget etc.  Paul Hurst went to Shrewsbury when they were bottom and likely candidates for relegation.  He kept them up and look where they are now?  No risk no gain.

Shankly and McMenemy etc accepted the risks of managing GTFC and turned potential into success.  Even Scunny have done well.  A good manager could have success at Grimsby.



That may be true but it does not change the fact that the club has not been able to fill the vacancy this week.

The Hurst point is wrong. He went there before the January window so he was able bring in players mid-season plus he had a bigger budget than here.

We cannot just keep looking at this from the fans’ POV. Making the appointment just now has a lot more to do with the feelings and thoughts of potential candidates than it has to do with the needs of fans or indeed the club. Face it. We are not an attractive option for several reasons. Like it or not, one of those is personal vitriol from a vociferous minority towards employees of the club when they are not doing what the fans think they should. We cannot hide from or excuse it.

Criticism is one thing but personal abuse is another and it was happening from the day Slade was appointed. It would not have mattered what he did. And don’t say other clubs are the same. Even if that was so, it is Grimsby Town FC we are talking about. We should be better than that.  People in football circles notice these things and think “What if my appointment isn’t popular? Will that happen to me? Is it worth having my family in the middle of something like that?”

There are 12 games to go. Anyone willing to give up a safe job or even the hope of a safe job in the summer to pin their future livelihood on keeping us up? Not very likely is it? Don’t know about anyone else but I wouldn’t.

Wilkie has nothing to lose though. He has a job and he has a chance of a better one without moving. I have no idea what sort of manager Wilkie would be but I do know managers are not made overnight or by one game. He is accused of being Slade’s man but the truth is more likely he was Fenty’s man as the backstop to Slade’s appointment going wrong. One thing is for sure, Slade was in charge, Wilkie might have agreed or disagreed but he carried no weight. He does now though.

In these situations you do not look for the best option. You do not look for the best appointment. You look for the least worst. You look for the one you can live with to get you over this hump in the road and until you can sit back and take stock properly. Money comes into it but if the board goes for Wilkie I don’t believe that will be the reason at this time.



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Another man "in the know".

If we won the next two games I would be happy with Wilko to the end of the season, provided he was effectively given his notice period! But the chances of us winning the next two games seems very slim.


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Wilko woods and all the other ex pros at the club in any capacity should be removed , we need what the gimps have done completely over haul everything.
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Quoted from GrimRob
Another man "in the know".

If we won the next two games I would be happy with Wilko to the end of the season, provided he was effectively given his notice period! But the chances of us winning the next two games seems very slim.


You are more likely to be "in the know" than most!

But pray tell, O wise one,   what is the difference between Wilkie losing the next two games and a new manager losing the next two games? Presumably the two games are just as tricky for the team no matter who is in charge.



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You are more likely to be "in the know" than most!

But pray tell, O wise one,   what is the difference between Wilkie losing the next two games and a new manager losing the next two games? Presumably the two games are just as tricky for the team no matter who is in charge.



Not at all.  The matches are potentially tricky.  But the level of trickyness (did I invent a word) would depend on our players picked and the formation played.


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Id bet a dollar to a pinch of sh*t if Wilko won the next 3 games some fans would still not be happy because he was slades number 2.

I really do hope he does well and id be happy for Wilko till the end of the season.  Picking players and formations might stop with the manager....but there is onething you cant blame Wilko for or any manager (well i dont anyway) is its the decisions of the players and the desire to want to win that wins games.  Ive seen some good players have a great season then the following season a completely different player making bad decisions after bad.  But Its up to the manager to drop the player and give someone else the shirt.

If you asked yourself 1 question

When going to BP what would class as being acceptable performance wise?

Hard work...rolled up sleeves stuff but struggling to win?
Attractive buckleyesque football but struggling to win?
Sladeball style football but winning games?

The reason why i ask this is because ive heard many fans say i dont mind town losing as long as they show bobby cumming style commitment.

Just curious.  


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If Wilko wins games and we saw a sea change in style etc of course fans would back him.The fact is due to last weeks team selection and result they have no faith in him getting it right and he is tarred with the slade brush.
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If Wilko wins games and we saw a sea change in style etc of course fans would back him.The fact is due to last weeks team selection and result they have no faith in him getting it right and he is tarred with the slade brush.


Don't get this last weeks team selection stick to beat Wilko with tbh

The issue is we have a big squad but very limited resources because it is woefully unbalanced.

Wilko went with a back 3, when previously we had a 4, restored McKeown, Hall-Johnson etc. There aren't that many changes he could have made unless you buy in to Clifton being the local Messi
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Being the local Boshell will do for the time being.


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Don't get this last weeks team selection stick to beat Wilko with tbh

The issue is we have a big squad but very limited resources because it is woefully unbalanced.

Wilko went with a back 3, when previously we had a 4, restored McKeown, Hall-Johnson etc. There aren't that many changes he could have made unless you buy in to Clifton being the local Messi


No I don`t think Clifton is the local Messi but yes I thought he would have been picked last week if fit same as I do this week because clearly we have a problem in CM and it`s been there a while.Is Clifton or even Mccallister the solution well I don`t know ?What I do know quite clearly Berrett isn`t the answer though I credit him with giving his all same as Summerfield can`t fault them for effort.We should be giving the youngsters a go Clifton,Cardwell and the kid from Villa would all start for me tomorrow.
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Quoted from Meza
When going to BP what would class as being acceptable performance wise?

Hard work...rolled up sleeves stuff but struggling to win?
Attractive buckleyesque football but struggling to win?
Sladeball style football but winning games?


I don't give a excrement how we play because at the end of the day the main thing anyone looks at is the result.

Mourinho for example plays like a boring illegitimate % football game. When he retires people will remember him for what he won not how he played.

I think we only need 3 wins to stay up this season and I don't care how it's done I just want it flipping done. We could play the most awful smeggiest disgusting hoofball shitball sladeball diamonddallaspageball ever. I wouldn't give a flipping excrement as long as at the end of the season we stay in this flipping excrement league rather than an even greater flipping excrement league.

Don't care who does it either. Could be Wilko could be Jesus., don't give one flying toss as long as it happens.
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This is a strange one. With all the people in "The know", we should be getting 15000+ attendances each match with all these "Secret informers". At the rate this is going, we will overtake India's total population numbers...


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I will be very disappointed if the names of at least two of the three  Suliman, McAllister and Clifton are not at least on the bench for Saturday.
I know its not in his remit, but Dave Moore should with his knowledge be steering Wilko into grasping the nettle and make some changes that most can see and appreciate
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I will be very disappointed if the names of at least two of the three  Suliman, McAllister and Clifton are not at least on the bench for Saturday.
I know its not in his remit, but Dave Moore should with his knowledge be steering Wilko into grasping the nettle and make some changes that most can see and appreciate


Totally agree Garth get some legs in the team and try and run Exeter off the pitch with sheer will and effort the fans will back that alright.UTM
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His team selection for Cambridge didn't inspire me into having any confidence in PW being able to offer anything significantly different to Slade at all. Will reserve judgement until 2-15pm on Saturday with returning players now available and maybe getting his first game under his belt will teach him to be his own man and not be so conservative in his team selection..
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Quoted from 1mickylyons


Totally agree Garth get some legs in the team and try and run Exeter off the pitch with sheer will and effort the fans will back that alright.UTM


I agree and Exeter can be beaten, they have lost 11 times in the league this season.  


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Wilko think back to your playing days,

If you was playing tomorrow who would you want in the team setting you up for a goal or two ?


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Wilko think back to your playing days,

If you was playing tomorrow who would you want in the team setting you up for a goal or two ?


In your other post you called for width and Wilko often had Emson and Ford to supply him and Drinks.Wingers create chances and if you don`t create chances you don`t score.
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Wilko think back to your playing days,

If you was playing tomorrow who would you want in the team setting you up for a goal or two ?


Drinks!  

But

Probably  past it now

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Drinks!  

But

Probably  past it now



Getting back to legs Garth but 78-79 when the homegrown lads came through we were in the same division they got brought in and for 7-8 years formed the backbone of a very good side.I hope history can repeat itself one thing for sure if they never get picked we will never know.
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Getting back to legs Garth but 78-79 when the homegrown lads came through we were in the same division they got brought in and for 7-8 years formed the backbone of a very good side.I hope history can repeat itself one thing for sure if they never get picked we will never know.


Yes and the opposition IMO was better then, we have persisted with Dembele as a youngster even when he`s had an off day and hooked off, yet we don`t give one of our bright stars Clifton or Suliman a chance. WHY?
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Yes and the opposition IMO was better then, we have persisted with Dembele as a youngster even when he`s had an off day and hooked off, yet we don`t give one of our bright stars Clifton or Suliman a chance. WHY?


Clarke has been a major disappointment to me for starters brought in as a leader and to replace Pearson who whilst limited was without doubt our most committed outfield player and had leadership qualities.Clarke has had some decent games but when we have needed him to step up particularly whilst Davies and Collins,Macca have been out he has fell to pieces.
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Id bet a dollar to a pinch of sh*t if Wilko won the next 3 games some fans would still not be happy because he was slades number 2.

I really do hope he does well and id be happy for Wilko till the end of the season.  Picking players and formations might stop with the manager....but there is onething you cant blame Wilko for or any manager (well i dont anyway) is its the decisions of the players and the desire to want to win that wins games.  Ive seen some good players have a great season then the following season a completely different player making bad decisions after bad.  But Its up to the manager to drop the player and give someone else the shirt.

If you asked yourself 1 question

When going to BP what would class as being acceptable performance wise?

Hard work...rolled up sleeves stuff but struggling to win?
Attractive buckleyesque football but struggling to win?
Sladeball style football but winning games?

The reason why i ask this is because ive heard many fans say i dont mind town losing as long as they show bobby cumming style commitment.

Just curious.  


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We need to show fight like Wigan did against City, totally played off the park but never gave up, not saying for 1minute that Exeter are anything special at all but we mus'nt allow heads to drop if we go behind. We should make up our shortcomings with a no surrender desire to compete.
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Criticism is one thing but personal abuse is another and it was happening from the day Slade was appointed. It would not have mattered what he did. And don’t say other clubs are the same. Even if that was so, it is Grimsby Town FC we are talking about. We should be better than that.  People in football circles notice these things and think “What if my appointment isn’t popular? Will that happen to me? Is it worth having my family in the middle of something like that?”


Other clubs would have had the decency not to employ a manager that was detested by a large number of their fans. There is not one manager I wouldn't have wanted more than Slade.

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