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Henryscat
February 4, 2018, 7:06pm
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https://www.grimsby-townfc.co......k-you--lets-kick-on/

Fair play to the guy.

Let's all get behind the team

Utm


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Davies didn't play, John
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Neither did McKeown! I took it as they've played well this season


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Quoted from Henryscat
Neither did McKeown! I took it as they've played well this season


Ah fair enough, odd he didn't mention Collins then

Hopefully this statement isn't empty words...
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Quoted from Henryscat
Neither did McKeown! I took it as they've played well this season


WHS.

Some will look for any excuse to hit him with.

Good statement - no digs, just trying to unify.
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All this statement does for me is offer an extremely worrying insight into Fentys mind. He genuinely believes we have a team that can kick on. He's either very naive or very stupid, we've got some okay players yes. However, we've got rid of our midfield, we played FOUR strikers yesterday because of this.

On top of that, the team is littered with journeymen and loanees.

Naive or stupid John, which one is it?
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Whilst I am by now means a J.F. fan  we have to realise we are, for the present inextricably linked.

Whilst I feel he poor decision making is entirely responsible for our current position we will achieve nothing by pushing him into a corner  

The time has come to constructively engage with him to turn things around,the first pre-requisite is to get rid of Slade no matter how much we protest and make our feelings  known we are not going to bludgeon him into a decision.Let us by reason discussion and persuasion convince him as to why Slade has to go for the team to progress.

Every war has to end sometime.


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Quoted from Henryscat
https://www.grimsby-townfc.co......k-you--lets-kick-on/

Fair play to the guy.

Let's all get behind the team

Utm


He is getting better PR advice I will give him that.

The small crowd were fired up by the protest, which lasted for part of the first half but then died as the team were pushed back by a very average side.

The rest is really fantasy land. I don't think anything seems to get through to him just how bad things are.
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Wow.
Another fairly well scripted press release and one that doesnt point fingers and lay blame elsewhere.

Substance of it will no doubt have objectors but it appears some lessons are being learned at least.


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Think the above post about PR dvice is correct. What does concern me though is that he says he would not use those words were he on record rather than off it. He should just have come out and said "hands up, am wrong and I apologise to anybody who may have taken offence at anything I said" By coming out with what he did say it leaves any official staement now open to interpretation as to whether or not he means it?


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February 4, 2018, 7:39pm

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Better than an attack and a good attempt at dealing with the protests and secret recordings.

I would say that the things he's said about the Trust and the fans in his statement are miles away from what he has said when he didn't know he was being recorded. They're out there and can't be taken back.
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Good statement.

And I'm with him, I do believe we have a good enough team, and positives could be seen yesterday.

Malik and Jackson showed improvement to previous weeks.

Whilst I'm still in the Slade Out brigade, I won't call for his head during a match, only back the 11 players on the pitch
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Good on Fenty

Least he trys to make a effort to talk to the fans on here and in person

Sorry for him that one fan let him down  

I like to think most of us arent like that


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Maggy Thatcher would be proud of his Tory logic.  Deflect the real problem by buttering up the fans and paying compliments, while avoiding the real problem, which is a manager who has not got a clue how to get the best from his players.  I DO believe the current bunch CAN avoid the drop, but only if managed properly..  And get rid of the bloody hoofball


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Thing is J.F. has been conned by a snake oil salesman with his fancy presentations and his visions,that is not a comfortable position to have to admit.Let us show the morale supreme and help him find away out,even to the extant it is a fund raising campaign to get rid of Slade,(needs must when the devil drives).


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February 4, 2018, 7:50pm
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Sums the bloke up - a narcissist
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Quoted from pontoonlew
All this statement does for me is offer an extremely worrying insight into Fentys mind. He genuinely believes we have a team that can kick on. He's either very naive or very stupid, we've got some okay players yes. However, we've got rid of our midfield, we played FOUR strikers yesterday because of this.

On top of that, the team is littered with journeymen and loanees.

Naive or stupid John, which one is it?


I mean, he’s hardly going to come out and say “ok guys, I copulated up, and we’re totally excrement” is he.

He needed to make a statement. He has done and he’s trying to rally everyone whilst there’s a very serious threat of relegation. It’s not going to miraculously change anything, but we need all the positivity we can get right now. Let’s get safe and then assess at the end of the season.


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That's an excellent message - honest and passionate. Good to see the commitment to work with the Trust and supporters - and the feedback from the players was telling.

On previous occasions any response was likely to be defensive or dismissive - this one reflected an openness and well-crafted phrasing that I've not seen before. The sentiment is one of a willingness to build bridges.

Of course, the proof is in actions, not words - so what transpires next is important. And whilst the issues that have caused such discontent haven't disappeared, if this results in a more united front in vocally supporting the team (whatever people might feel are its limitations), it can only help with squad motivation - and that's crucial in the fight for points.
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February 4, 2018, 7:57pm
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I think the secret recording highlights JF’s true feelings about the managerial poisition and his normal 6 game rule of thumb approach to a manager’s suitably to continue in charge.

A defeat next week will be double this and I would guess will see the trigger pulled, I cerythink if we win neither of the next two away games that Slade will still be here for the Exeter game.

No board openly states a Manager has one, two or three games to save his job but ultimately this is how things turn out. So by the end of February we will either have had a win or two or be looking for a new Manager.
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Does anyone believe we would have had this statement if the videos hadn’t been posted?
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Does anyone believe we would have had this statement if the videos hadn’t been posted?


Exactly. It's an improvement in communication, but we all already know what he thinks of the Trust and the fans.

I can't believe people are being sucked in by this shite.
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Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
I think the secret recording highlights JF’s true feelings about the managerial poisition and his normal 6 game rule of thumb approach to a manager’s suitably to continue in charge.

A defeat next week will be double this and I would guess will see the trigger pulled, I cerythink if we win neither of the next two away games that Slade will still be here for the Exeter game.

No board openly states a Manager has one, two or three games to save his job but ultimately this is how things turn out. So by the end of February we will either have had a win or two or be looking for a new Manager.


I kept saying the same about woods but he was left
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I remember when Bignot (aka the fruitloop) was blowing smoke up people's arses and the fishy were loving it.

It's happening again and still many of you can't see through it.

People who talk too much usually fail to deliver. Always have always will.

My laptop isn't designed to give off smells but I for one can smel the bullshite
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Very good statement! At the end of the day John means well.


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
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Quoted from Cloudy
I remember when Bignot (aka the fruitloop) was blowing smoke up people's arses and the fishy were loving it.

It's happening again and still many of you can't see through it.

People who talk too much usually fail to deliver. Always have always will.

My laptop isn't designed to give off smells but I for one can smel the bullshite


Bignot actually won a few games tbf how I miss winning a match
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I guess your damned if you do your damned if you don't.


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A well written statement that but its still the same load of rubbish that has come out before, he's still going to ignorne the issues and trying desperately to cover up last nights leaked conversation.


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Very good statement! At the end of the day John means well.


Does he though? He said it himself that 6games is the benchmark for managers to turn it around. If he means well then why the hell are we still managed by Slade after 11 games without a win in which we’ve amassed 4 points and scored 4 goals.

If he means well would he have blamed the fans entirely for PH leaving us? Pretty sure the main reason was that he wanted a sports science coach and a better contract - yes, he has issues with some fans but they were a severe minority.

And let’s not even mention the new stadium. We’ve put up with excrement for 90% of the last 10 + years and it’s time something changed.
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Taken from Mr Fentys message
It would be irresponsible and cold of me to not make myself accessible and open for such conversations.
So can I ask. What is the length of Mr Slades Contract. How much would it cost the club to get rid of him if there isn't an upturn in results over the next 2 or 3 games?
After a weekend of speaking candidly to a fan and now this statement, you seem to be open to answering questions and having a better relationship with the fans, so I look forward to your reply.
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Ah fair enough, odd he didn't mention Collins then

Hopefully this statement isn't empty words...


It is empty words.
It’s a nothing statement.
What is the point of repeating the same old nonsense over and over.
Mr Fenty is still overseeing a basket case of a club.
The worsts Manager in our history is still in charge with his backing.
Mr Fenty is (reading between the lines) still slagging the fans off.
Fookin boring now.



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Exactly. It's an improvement in communication, but we all already know what he thinks of the Trust and the fans.

I can't believe people are being sucked in by this shite.


Exactly how it is....


UTM
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Credit where credits due it's a much better statement than the usual offerings, correct English and being positive. Obviously only done because of the secret videos, but at least he's better advised about what to say and how to say it.

However words are cheap, and what he's said today are directly contradicted by the things he said yesterday. To end with another cliche, actions speak louder than words, so let's take on board the message, but let's be concentrated on what actions follow
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Actions speak louder than words.

John, personally I welcome your statement and hopefully yesterday will teach you, if you didn't already know, that our love for the club will always outweigh our feelings about you several times over.

What needs to happen now is for you, your fellow Directors and the Trust to harness the passion that we have for Grimsby Town Football Club. Act now, be decisive and realise that your legacy might be defined by the next three months. Treat us right and I'm sure that you will be treated right in return - we are not 2nd class citizens, just passionate people who love our club.
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I have only spoken with John Fenty twice and on both occasions he gave me the impression that he is 100% Grimsby Town and he would like to see success as much as the most passionate supporter. Bignot could be regarded as being a bad employment but who having known about the hard work and dedication he put into Solihull Moors and the wealth of players he signed, would have not expected him to be an ideal choice for us?  
Alan Buckley, Neil Woods, Mike Newell, Slade first time,  Hurst and Scott, Watkiss how many of us queried their appointments at the time, we realised they were the best the budget could afford and we hoped like John did that they would bring success. Ok many were not keen on Slade coming back but we did have the Spurs victory and a play off final which it not for a last minute goal in another game, would have been automatic promotion. A lot of managers mooted over the years as being better for us, have done a lot worse than the ones we have employed.  If I were Fenty I would have gone years ago, there are too many people with no real idea only too keen to have a pop at him.

Having supported the Mariners through thick and thin, mainly thin since 1956, I have not been happy recently too, but I am not blaming Fenty.
                                  


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great stuff well said John. Now let's all support the team and move up the table utm
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A good statement from Fenty, no problem with that, however, I can't help thinking that Rome burns while Nero fiddles............  The root problem is Slade, he needs to be removed from his post friend or not. We will not improve with Slade in charge, simple as that.  We have not slipped in a few games under him, we keep on slipping week in week out, and his interviews have got laughable.  I am all for unity, but we have to tackle the root problems.

UTM
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Good statement which is from the heart.

The one thing that will turn the tide is to get rid of SLADE!!
That will bring some unity and allow us to get back on track. Unfortunately RS brand of Football will never fit in at BP!!

Get rid now and let’s pack the park!!
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Look at that statement for what it is, the fentygate recording opened up what he really thinks about the trust, fans and himself.

The statement is well put together and sort of draws you in, but hey hang on we had a statement about the January transfer window and what we should expect to see, what we got is 'players are over priced'.

I'll believe what he says when I see it with my own two eyes. We are where we are because of Slade and Fenty no amount of glossing over will change that.

Back the team, there are clubs with half our support doing better so bums on seats don't win points, so John why don't you give your little pep talk to Slade who has gone almost twice past your trigger finger action.


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Unity only comes when you believe in those you are uniting around. I don't believe in Slade and Wilko; they've signed too man poor players and built a totally unbalanced squad to boot. I don't believe in the board, because they sanctioned it all.

For about 14 minutes yesterday, it felt good- it felt like a football match should feel. A new striker scored an early goal on his debut, the crowd were in good voice, then the protests started to remind us all that the football is just a side show now at our club, and downhill it all went again. Back to a side that didn't look like they knew what to do with a lead, slowly but surely being worked out by average opposition and fading more and more as the game went on until the inevitable equaliser arrived, followed by our front men blazing two glorious chances over the bar. Back to the frustration, anger and recriminations we went. Back to news of Trust resignations and secret recordings, back to endless should he stay, should he go discussions, and now another message from the top, the third in as many weeks. Much better written than usual, but the same old message. Stick with it boys and all will be well. I've stuck with it for 46 seasons, including the last 15 years of not much else but mediocrity and relegations. In 2002/3 we finished bottom of Division 1 as it was called, and it's been downhill ever since. Didn't even stop to wipe our feet in the division below and down we went again. Fannied around in the bottom division for a few years before the inevitable happened with a succession of useless players and managers. Hello non league, we've come to say hello before we storm back out again. Yeah right! Now, here we are again, with another deluded manager signing the same mediocre players. We never learn and i'm tired of it.

I will take the part of the message to heart that asks for us to keep behind the team until the end of the season, that's a given for me, but as for the rest, i'm about done with it all. Can't wait for this season to be over and i have no enthusiasm for the next and beyond. I'm hoping that the next three months can change the way i feel and the team start to perform, but history has taught me that it is unlikely. I want to believe, i really do, and for 14 glorious minutes yesterday, they almost had me, almost..........
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It's a good statement but I suspect until he gets rid of Slade the pressure is going to keep up. Somewhere within our vast squad there probably lie the players who a good manager could get the best out of, but I can see nothing but turmoil for the remainder of the season and then a vast clearout in the summer. They really need to rethink the whole approach to recruitment over the summer. We sign players too late and always seem to start slowly. Even under PH we rarely started well - as soon as he goes elsewhere he starts like an express train.


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As FI said, well prepared statement for once. Hope we can take it at face value but so soon after the revelations of his feelings yesterday I'm remaining sceptical.

When the game kicks off on Saturday I'll support the team as usual.

Actions speak louder than words regarding Mr Fenty. Leopards and spots spring to mind. We'll see.


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He has put his name to it but I doubt he has actually written it , it’s not in his ‘style’ at all
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It's a good statement but I suspect until he gets rid of Slade the pressure is going to keep up. Somewhere within our vast squad there probably lie the players who a good manager could get the best out of, but I can see nothing but turmoil for the remainder of the season and then a vast clearout in the summer. They really need to rethink the whole approach to recruitment over the summer. We sign players too late and always seem to start slowly. Even under PH we rarely started well - as soon as he goes elsewhere he starts like an express train.


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He has put his name to it but I doubt he has actually written it , it’s not in his ‘style’ at all


He's probably written the rough draft and someone else has taken it and made it more professional. That's exactly what should be happening, his sentiments but better content. He gets criticised if he does write it and also if he doesn't!


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Main and only point for me is, it has only been written because of what he was recorded saying yesterday. Its deflection and distraction, he's been told to do it to appease the protesters and paying fans, which are reducing week on week. They only react to a reduction in cash flow and anything that affects it negatively.
It changes nothing tbf.


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Maybe it’s an olive branch? I am taking it at face value, we can grind axes forever but it ain’t gonna get us the 15 points we need for survival.


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He made his feelings perfectly clear, from his own mouth yesterday, most of it from the hip (a bit like me to be fair). This will be part of the news cycle locally for the next few days and will portray him in a very bad light indeed. I imagine the local press will have a field day with it.

Today we get a carefully constructed message in an attempt to diffuse the worsening situation, without of course addressing any of the underlying causes of the problem.

I think we can take our own observations from that, but it has gone beyond a clever statement. The fans will continue to be unhappy unless major changes are made including his own position, or we see concrete steps being taken for some proper and sustained investment in the football club and its infrastructure before we slide straight back to non league.    

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I agree that he's 100% a fan. I don't dispute his passion and his will to do well - or that he wants out. I appreciate the press release, I think its standard is an improvement and I get this 'damned if he does, damned if he doesn't' situation.

However, if he's getting PR advice he should be told to stop talking to fans privately. If he has something to say, say it to us all. If he's got nothing to hide, then bear all.

I know a lot of fans appreciate the fact that he's willing to talk to them privately, and honestly, one-to-one. I know that he wants to keep doing that - but it's not earning him brownie points (like he thinks) because: if he's only honest in private, does that mean he's not honest in public?

That statement had the potential to do more damage than good, but I think (on the whole) it's bought him a bit more time. However, results on the pitch will determine whether the tide turns again, and how soon that happens.


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I agree that he's 100% a fan. I don't dispute his passion and his will to do well - or that he wants out. I appreciate the press release, I think its standard is an improvement and I get this 'damned if he does, damned if he doesn't' situation.

However, if he's getting PR advice he should be told to stop talking to fans privately. If he has something to say, say it to us all. If he's got nothing to hide, then bear all.

I know a lot of fans appreciate the fact that he's willing to talk to them privately, and honestly, one-to-one. I know that he wants to keep doing that - but it's not earning him brownie points (like he thinks) because: if he's only honest in private, does that mean he's not honest in public?

That statement had the potential to do more damage than good, but I think (on the whole) it's bought him a bit more time. However, results on the pitch will determine whether the tide turns again, and how soon that happens.


Is it not universally accepted that figures of public interest from all walks of life sometimes have to frame things differently and perhaps more professionally in public versus private life?

Look at Brown ‘bigot’ gate for example.
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Fenty deserves praise for meeting this with a statement he didn`t have to he could have kept silent and hid like plenty of others do. Not his style though and after being a victim of entrapment the day before and saying a few controversial things it took courage (some would say brass neck) to put any kind of statement out knowing full well people would dissect and use it to beat him with further. All that said for me it papers over the cracks of the real problem with JF and that is listening to others.The only thing JF needs to do and should have done weeks ago is sack RS this will buy him valuable time and quieten down the supporter unrest.The statement makes all the right noises and appears an olive branch but with us now locked in a relegation battle I have grave doubts over taking it? Please John sack Slade today and the fans will unite and get behind the Club to stay in League 2 and rebuild.Keep him and you may well still keep in League 2 but at what cost?
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Fenty deserves praise for meeting this with a statement he didn`t have to he could have kept silent and hid like plenty of others do. Not his style though and after being a victim of entrapment the day before and saying a few controversial things it took courage (some would say brass neck) to put any kind of statement out knowing full well people would dissect and use it to beat him with further. All that said for me it papers over the cracks of the real problem with JF and that is listening to others.The only thing JF needs to do and should have done weeks ago is sack RS this will buy him valuable time and quieten down the supporter unrest.The statement makes all the right noises and appears an olive branch but with us now locked in a relegation battle I have grave doubts over taking it? Please John sack Slade today and the fans will unite and get behind the Club to stay in League 2 and rebuild.Keep him and you may well still keep in League 2 but at what cost?


Clearly you think that Slade is the issue here and sacking him will buy time for the board.

You are 100% entitled to your opinion but for me, and i can only speak for myself, I cannot 'unite behind the club' whilst JF is running things. It makes me sad and angry but thats just the way I feel and no carefully worded statement will change my view
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A panic measure that shouldn't fool anyone. All the reasons for the discontent and protests are still valid. The board is actively discouraging new investment and are making a feeble attempt to cling to power. Go no you rotten lot.
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After careful thought John has tried to defuse the situation ,

Well it seems to have worked to a certain degree,

The big problem though is still there SLADE who has no idea how many loan players we have or how to use them,

We have lop sided playing squad of older slow but experienced players and untried younger ones still to learn what league football is all about,

I hope from now on players are played in their best position and told to pass the ball and not just hoof it,

Most posters on here will know who should be in the team better than me but I will give my verdict after the Cambridge game if I am not in Hospital then,

So for now I will stop calling for Fenty out but will wait and see if Slade has listened to the fans and try to get the team to play proper football.

Another 2 defeats in the next 2 games must be the end for Slade otherwise it will be too late for anybody to turn things round if it has gone on longer than that.


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John you could defuse the situation by sacking Slade.


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Clearly you think that Slade is the issue here and sacking him will buy time for the board.

You are 100% entitled to your opinion but for me, and i can only speak for myself, I cannot 'unite behind the club' whilst JF is running things. It makes me sad and angry but thats just the way I feel and no carefully worded statement will change my view


No I just think Slade is the most urgent problem issue to address and a quick fix to stave off relegation would be to sack him. Regarding JF I think he has gone past the point of no return with many of the fans myself included and the breaking point was arguably the fans forum. On the entrapment and yesterday`s statement it hasn`t altered my view at all of John or what I think he should do but I can`t help but grudgingly respect him for toughing it out.Sacking Slade is the right thing to do not because I want it to happen but because it will give the club the best chance of surviving and building for the future.
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Three things emerged from the fentygate tapes in my opinion.

1.  As has been pointed out, the use of the word 'I' instead of 'we' clearly indicates that as far as John is concerned 'he' makes the decisions.  Something  which most of us already knew.

2.  By the way he has spoken about the Trust, he seems of the opinion that everybody on the board works for him as some sort of employee. I think he sees the trust as his link with the fans.  ie: A one way link.  So when the trust don't agree (or the SLO) he sees that as some kind of betrayal to the company (G.T.F.C.). so therefore should no longer be employed.

3. Possibly the most worrying for me.  When it was mentioned how many fans we take away, his reply was something along the lines of 'but that doesn't contribute to the club'.  Clearly JF now just sees the fans as £ signs and nothing else.

I guess the reason he wants unity is to fill the stands and help the cash flow.  

I genuinely think the only way that Slade will go is when fans actively stay away.  It hurts me to say it, but I do believe that is true.  We can protest and wave banners as much as we like. But money talks fellas.  Money talks.


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No I just think Slade is the most urgent problem issue to address and a quick fix to stave off relegation would be to sack him. Regarding JF I think he has gone past the point of no return with many of the fans myself included and the breaking point was arguably the fans forum. On the entrapment and yesterday`s statement it hasn`t altered my view at all of John or what I think he should do but I can`t help but grudgingly respect him for toughing it out.Sacking Slade is the right thing to do not because I want it to happen but because it will give the club the best chance of surviving and building for the future.


Will it give the club the best chance of staying up? We aren't getting hammered and the players are clearly trying. Big gamble to take, who would you get in? Nicky Law?
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Most of us don't want Slade here. If he had been on a 6 months rolling contract it would have been easy and he would surely have been gone by now. But the guys been around a bit and there is no way he would have signed on those terms-he makes a living out of being sacked so it seems he has used his experience to stitch J.S.F. up. He most likely wants to sack him but can't afford to and he can't admit this because Slade would have him up for constructive dismissal or whatever. Our only hope is that he knows how much he is hated and decides to go for a percentage of his contract.  Go on J.S.F. make him an offer.
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Give him a taste of his own medicine get him training the Youth Team,it would be quite legitimte to demote him on performance grounds.


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]Maggy Thatcher would be proud of his Tory logic[/b].  Deflect the real problem by buttering up the fans and paying compliments, while avoiding the real problem, which is a manager who has not got a clue how to get the best from his players.  I DO believe the current bunch CAN avoid the drop, but only if managed properly..  And get rid of the bloody hoofball



FFS why drag politics into this. I suspect your dislike of JF is more down to his politics, which has no place on a FOOTBALL message board.


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Taken from Mr Fentys message
It would be irresponsible and cold of me to not make myself accessible and open for such conversations.
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The two-faced irresponsible and cold twit told me never to contact him again!


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He has put his name to it but I doubt he has actually written it , it’s not in his ‘style’ at all


I prefer it when he writes it himself - such a good laugh, so much funnier !


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Does anyone believe we would have had this statement if the videos hadn’t been posted?



And obviously you have never said anything in private that you wouldn't want revealed in public ?


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The two-faced irresponsible and cold twit told me never to contact him again!


AND  told me never to contact him again.!!!!!!!


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Will it give the club the best chance of staying up? We aren't getting hammered and the players are clearly trying. Big gamble to take, who would you get in? Nicky Law?


That`s a bit unfair hm? I had posted several arguments before the latest storm suggesting removing RS and getting in Dave Moore and Buckley til the end of the Season and I stand by that.No I don`t want them for the long haul I want a Bignot/Hurst type but I want a football man Buckley/moore to be part of the selection process.
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That`s a bit unfair hm? I had posted several arguments before the latest storm suggesting removing RS and getting in Dave Moore and Buckley til the end of the Season and I stand by that.No I don`t want them for the long haul I want a Bignot/Hurst type but I want a football man Buckley/moore to be part of the selection process.


Sorry it wasn't meant to be.
I just look at us and I don't think for one minute the players aren't trying and we are in the games. We aren't getting trounced every week.  You may well be right and I think it's about having the right person to come in. Whoever came in a change in manager would give a lot of the supporters a boost and they would struggle to be less popular than slade.

I think even if he does manage to keep us up I think he should be given the chop as soon as we are safe. He's too divisive a figure and the club needs to bring in someone to rally round so season ticket sales are not completely catastrophic. I am just not sure a change of manager when we cant sign players is a great idea at the minute.

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While it was big of him to make a statement the problem is it's just words and unless they're backed up with action, how long will it be before we're back here?

I've said before too that no matter what happens, the relationship between him and the fans is probably already damaged beyond reasonable repair.


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Fenty is not a man to his word, in the past 2 months I've sent him 6 messages, all were respectful and polite I was merely pointing out my concerns and all 6 has gone unanswered, I sent him a 7th this morning and no reply as yet. How irresponsible and cold.
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Too be fair we all are quick to critical when the club makes a PR balls up so I will say that this is a professional job and what the club should be doing PR wise.

Having said that...

SLADE OUT
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Fenty is not a man to his word, in the past 2 months I've sent him 6 messages, all were respectful and polite I was merely pointing out my concerns and all 6 has gone unanswered, I sent him a 7th this morning and no reply as yet. How irresponsible and cold.


Mention the MP shares fiasco and maybe go into a bit of detail he'll soon invite you for a one to one.


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Mention the MP shares fiasco and maybe go into a bit of detail he'll soon invite you for a one to one.


Didn't work for me

I mentioned MPs shares, the kids flag, Mighty, running on the pitch at Braintree (him not me),Hurst going, Slade staying and every other PR gaffe and disaster I could think of thereby giving him lots to chat about and all he said was never to contact him again



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Didn't work for me

I mentioned MPs shares, the kids flag, Mighty, running on the pitch at Braintree (him not me),Hurst going, Slade staying and every other PR gaffe and disaster I could think of thereby giving him lots to chat about and all he said was never to contact him again



It's that charm bypass you had, you vile sish  
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It's that charm bypass you had, you vile sish  


Think he may have meant Sith. Suffolk is in a galaxy, far far away.
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Didn't work for me

I mentioned MPs shares, the kids flag, Mighty, running on the pitch at Braintree (him not me),Hurst going, Slade staying and every other PR gaffe and disaster I could think of thereby giving him lots to chat about and all he said was never to contact him again



When are you going to stop harping on and on about what JF said to you? Almost everyday since it happened have you posted it on one thread or another! Bored to tears of reading what he said to you now.

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When are you going to stop harping on and on about what JF said to you? Almost everyday since it happened have you posted it on one thread or another! Bored to tears of reading what he said to you now.



Why what did he say must have missed it.
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When are you going to stop harping on and on about what JF said to you? Almost everyday since it happened have you posted it on one thread or another! Bored to tears of reading what he said to you now.



To be fair to him he hasn't mentioned that he shock Johns hands before John got chance to wash them after having a slash which, is pretty much touching Fenty's winkie. Just imagine having a slash and as soon as you turn around there is someone with a stare in their eyes looking for a handshake or even worse waiting for you to come out of the toilet after having a crap. What kind of stalker is he.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

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To be fair to him he hasn't mentioned that he shock Johns hands before John got chance to wash them after having a slash which, is pretty much touching Fenty's winkie. Just imagine having a slash and as soon as you turn around there is someone with a stare in their eyes looking for a handshake or even worse waiting for you to come out of the toilet after having a crap. What kind of stalker is he.


He hasn't mentioned that for a while now you mention it.
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Quoted from Fishy_fishtails


He hasn't mentioned that for a while now you mention it.


Question is as you read it did you picture it.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

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Question is as you read it did you picture it.


Quite honestly the thought of those 2 post pee shaking hands hasn't entered my head as much as you'd think.
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Quite honestly the thought of those 2 post pee shaking hands hasn't entered my head as much as you'd think.


I meant the glazed eyes of a stalker as you turn around from going to the loo.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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I meant the glazed eyes of a stalker as you turn around from going to the loo.


You really need to work on your insults/jokes/comments my friend. They don't make an awful lot of sense.
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Quoted from Fishy_fishtails


You really need to work on your insults/jokes/comments my friend. They don't make an awful lot of sense.


Just a bit of light hearted banter to lighten the mood, forget it.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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Fenty deserves praise for meeting this with a statement he didn`t have to he could have kept silent and hid like plenty of others do. Not his style though and after being a victim of entrapment the day before and saying a few controversial things it took courage (some would say brass neck) to put any kind of statement out knowing full well people would dissect and use it to beat him with further. All that said for me it papers over the cracks of the real problem with JF and that is listening to others.The only thing JF needs to do and should have done weeks ago is sack RS this will buy him valuable time and quieten down the supporter unrest.The statement makes all the right noises and appears an olive branch but with us now locked in a relegation battle I have grave doubts over taking it? Please John sack Slade today and the fans will unite and get behind the Club to stay in League 2 and rebuild.Keep him and you may well still keep in League 2 but at what cost?


I have to disagree, I don't think he had any choice but to issue yet another statement after his very indiscreet comments about Asante, Slade and the Trust, in fact I would have hoped for at least some sort of apology.

However I do agree that we need to get behind the club but I still have very serious doubts about whether this squad has the quality to stay up other than relying on others to fall through the trapdoor.

I also still think that Slade has to go.

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John Fenty and I have buried the hatchet after exchanging PMs last night. He was, as he said in the latest statement, willing to speak, even to me, and answer concerns. Fair dos for him for that, he did what he said.

I still think he is a very stubborn man who must be hell to work with but, as we appear to be in the eye of a force 10 storm, I am convinced we need someone in the wheelhouse to steer the ship. Hopefully he will steer it to safety (much depends on whether Slade is sacked or not - and I told him so) but I am not sure anyone else can do it.

A sell out is all well and good but, even if a suitable buyer comes forward, (which I doubt) some local involvement and some hometown contact must be maintained at the top and I am convinced Fenty can supply that. I do not suggest he retains a controlling interest but that he remains involved.

I think what he said in Saturday's covert recording went part way towards swinging my opinion in favour of, rather than against him. Not because it was done on the sly but because of what he actually said, not all prepared crap for written statements or fans forums but, in part, what he really thinks about Asante, Bignot and to a degree Slade etc. We can't moan that he feeds us bullshit on one hand (if you pardon the image) and then moan when he says what he is really thinking.

When the going gets tough and all that and Fenty is tough thats for sure, personally I hope he sticks around.


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Wow, converted after a couple of PM’s !!
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Wow, converted after a couple of PM’s !!


Many would be if they actually new the man and understands some of his logic. LOL!. He bleeds Black and White.

Q the red crosses!

UTM!


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IPSWIN  Now the truth has come out- you are really "Get Your Facts Right" and all those 10000 venomous posts were really just a smoke screen. You really fooled us Ipswin.    P.S.   Can you keep the Season Tickets same price for next year and do what you can to get rid of your mate R.S.
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Quoted from supertown
Wow, converted after a couple of PM’s !!


Not converted at all I just think that life without him could, and probably will, be worse. Great idea to have a change at the top but there is more to it than just leaving a note to say where the key to the tea and coffee cupboard is kept on your way out.

I am still not a fan of the bloke and certainly not his management technique but I am a fan of Grimsby Town and I think that as things stand he's he best option we have, his committment cannot be disputed and I don't want him hounded out by toxic attacks thus leaving us even deeper in the excrement.

Feel free to attack Steve 'shut up' Marley, he is a deadweight and needs replacing asap hopefully by someone who is not just a retired accountant but someone who knows a bit about running a tootball club and can be a support to Fenty



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The faults of John Fenty have been well-documented. On the plus side, it is clear that he is a big Town fan.

However, his main impact on the Club and fans has been in showing poor judgement in appointing a number of managers who are either not up to the job and/or not suited to manage GTFC. These managers then recruit a number of poor or unsuitable players.  Bad PR on the pitch.

If he had got this critical element right then all other issues would be of secondary interest.

York City have exactly the same issues that we do.  They are also trying to sell their ground and move to a new one.  Their Chairman (the sole owner and funder of the Club) has made the same bad appointments of managers over 13 years - look what happened to them!  They also have issues with shares and the Trust.  

York City Trust Meeting on 5 Jan 18:
York City Supporters Trust revealed at their AGM that club owner Jason McGill has rejected a compromise proposal over the club’s share issue.

McGill has asked for the Trust’s 25 per cent shareholding in the Minstermen if he is to continue covering the club’s losses until the proposed move to the new community stadium in the summer of 2019.

But a deal that would see the Trust retain five per cent of its shares and JM Packaging – McGill’s Malton-based business – increase their stake from 75 per cent to 95 per cent has not met with the City chairman’s approval.

As part of the proposal, the Trust would also receive a payment if McGill sold his shares within two years of relocation to Monks Cross, as well as 21.35 per cent of any equity left from the sale of Bootham Crescent once the club’s creditors are met.

It has previously been stated that, with the ground valued at £4.5million by the City of York Council, McGill would be out of pocket to the tune of £3million when the ground is sold in terms of being unable to recoup the money that he has ploughed into the club to cover losses since taking over from the Trust as City’s majority shareholder in 2006.

But the Trust have now resolved to seek an independent valuation of the land, which club auditor Steve Kilmartin, who was representing McGill at the Burton Stone Lane WMC event, claimed would not attract offers in excess of £3million from property developers.
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The faults of John Fenty have been well-documented. On the plus side, it is clear that he is a big Town fan.

However, his main impact on the Club and fans has been in showing poor judgement in appointing a number of managers who are either not up to the job and/or not suited to manage GTFC. These managers then recruit a number of poor or unsuitable players.  Bad PR on the pitch.

If he had got this critical element right then all other issues would be of secondary interest.

York City have exactly the same issues that we do.  They are also trying to sell their ground and move to a new one.  Their Chairman (the sole owner and funder of the Club) has made the same bad appointments of managers over 13 years - look what happened to them!  They also have issues with shares and the Trust.  

York City Trust Meeting on 5 Jan 18:
York City Supporters Trust revealed at their AGM that club owner Jason McGill has rejected a compromise proposal over the club’s share issue.

McGill has asked for the Trust’s 25 per cent shareholding in the Minstermen if he is to continue covering the club’s losses until the proposed move to the new community stadium in the summer of 2019.

But a deal that would see the Trust retain five per cent of its shares and JM Packaging – McGill’s Malton-based business – increase their stake from 75 per cent to 95 per cent has not met with the City chairman’s approval.

As part of the proposal, the Trust would also receive a payment if McGill sold his shares within two years of relocation to Monks Cross, as well as 21.35 per cent of any equity left from the sale of Bootham Crescent once the club’s creditors are met.

It has previously been stated that, with the ground valued at £4.5million by the City of York Council, McGill would be out of pocket to the tune of £3million when the ground is sold in terms of being unable to recoup the money that he has ploughed into the club to cover losses since taking over from the Trust as City’s majority shareholder in 2006.

But the Trust have now resolved to seek an independent valuation of the land, which club auditor Steve Kilmartin, who was representing McGill at the Burton Stone Lane WMC event, claimed would not attract offers in excess of £3million from property developers.


Given how similar that sounds to us, surely it highlights why we can't just sit back and move on from all of this as many on here see to want... we could (and probably would if we went down again)  easily end up like them if we don't protect our club. As much as I'd like to say otherwise, the statement - as well thought out as it was, it was just paper over cracks im afraid.


UTM
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Many would be if they actually new the man and understands some of his logic. LOL!. He bleeds Black and White.

Q the red crosses!

UTM!


Not getting one from me John has many faults he also has some qualities one of which is fronting up to a growing crisis.The statement he put out Sunday is not enough to silence the critics BUT it`s enough to gain him back a bit of respect for his tenacity if nothing else.The bloke does his best I don`t doubt that sonik but I do think he could do better and that`s the frustration I have with him.
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Quoted from sonik


Many would be if they actually new the man and understands some of his logic. LOL!. He bleeds Black and White.

Q the red crosses!

UTM!


My late father bled black and white. I bleed black and white and everyone here bleeds black and white.

That is not the point.

Where is the investment, the plan, the acumen and the desire to turn things around? I know he works hard, he lives and breathes it; he is there most days but what has it achieved? The square root of not a lot.

We all make mistakes, some of us loads of them, and they would be forgiven if we have any semblance of how to get us out of this downward spiral.

If we go down, and looking at the table and the fixtures it is quite possible, then he can write it off, as he will get zero support from anybody.

If we survive, he has a mountain to climb to get so many fans even half onside, but if he is determined to stay on, or has to if nobody will negotiate the terms of the money he is owed then he has a huge rebuilding job in how the club is run, on and off the field. Your cavalier "UTM" and we are all in it together are insulting and patronising and makes me feel you have no idea of the threats we face.

Action action and more action is what we need, and the humility to acknowledge that next to nothing has gone right; we need change and lots of it either from Mr. Fenty or somebody new. None of the clubs potential is being harnessed, on or off the field, and it is just not good enough.
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Nice to see Fenty and my vile mate Swin have made up,

You can send me a PM John if you want because unlike my vile mate if somebody tells me not to bother them again I don't,

I want Fenty to stay for the same reasons we need him until somebody else appears with not only money but for the same love of the club that John has ,

Our immediate problem is Slade he has to go before he takes us down,

If he can turn things round this season I would want his recruitment for next season to be very carefully monitored by the board and not just " if that what you want Russ type of response"

PS  I see fishy, fantails has appeared again , welcome back mate did you stay away in protest of my ban ?  


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Fenty/Slade issues at this moment in time are not nearly as important as the fans backing the team. I felt compelled to apologize to John for some of my comments last week when his decision to retain Slade had me in an apoplectic rage now I`m just seething.
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Quoted from TownSNAFU5

However, his main impact on the Club and fans has been in showing poor judgement in appointing a number of managers who are either not up to the job and/or not suited to manage GTFC. These managers then recruit a number of poor or unsuitable players.  Bad PR on the pitch.


If this is main fault then the same accusation could be levelled at almost every football club owner in the country. There is certainly no guarantee that anyone else could pick better managers. Success and Fenty are certainly not mutually exclusive as we had a great season just two years ago, and during that time we had some great players, atmospheres and memorable occasions. Plus we had one of the best managers (selected by him and the board)  at the level we were playing at in the country. If he (and the rest of the board) were to select the right man after Russell Slade then we could pick up again from 2016.

Yes, the bad PR could certainly be improved but that's not your main accusation.


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My late father bled black and white. I bleed black and white and everyone here bleeds black and white.

That is not the point.

Where is the investment, the plan, the acumen and the desire to turn things around? I know he works hard, he lives and breathes it; he is there most days but what has it achieved? The square root of not a lot.

We all make mistakes, some of us loads of them, and they would be forgiven if we have any semblance of how to get us out of this downward spiral.

If we go down, and looking at the table and the fixtures it is quite possible, then he can write it off, as he will get zero support from anybody.

If we survive, he has a mountain to climb to get so many fans even half onside, but if he is determined to stay on, or has to if nobody will negotiate the terms of the money he is owed then he has a huge rebuilding job in how the club is run, on and off the field. Your cavalier "UTM" and we are all in it together are insulting and patronising and makes me feel you have no idea of the threats we face.

Action action and more action is what we need, and the humility to acknowledge that next to nothing has gone right; we need change and lots of it either from Mr. Fenty or somebody new. None of the clubs potential is being harnessed, on or off the field, and it is just not good enough.


Top post imo.

Most agree that JF is a fan and hurts like hell when we are in positions similar to now.

What he has above all of us is the power to change things around yet he antagonises large numbers of fans with his 'telling it how it is' attitude. I get the impression he hasnt listened to anyone for the last 15 years because if he had then we, and he, wouldnt be in this mess.
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Quoted from Cloudy


Top post imo.

Most agree that JF is a fan and hurts like hell when we are in positions similar to now.

What he has above all of us is the power to change things around yet he antagonises large numbers of fans with his 'telling it how it is' attitude. I get the impression he hasnt listened to anyone for the last 15 years because if he had then we, and he, wouldnt be in this mess.


Thing is he probably sees 'listening' to the fans as the fans running the show. In fairness he's right of course, the fans want Slade sacked, should he sack him on that basis? Also of course there are lots who claim often enough that he does not 'tell it how it is' but say he is feeding us bullshit or untruths - which do we want? (I suspect he was close to telling it exactly how it is on Saturday in the covert recording especially about Bignot, Slade and Asante and about how much he wants out)


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Nice to see Fenty and my vile mate Swin have made up,

You can send me a PM John if you want because unlike my vile mate if somebody tells me not to bother them again I don't,

I want Fenty to stay for the same reasons we need him until somebody else appears with not only money but for the same love of the club that John has ,

Our immediate problem is Slade he has to go before he takes us down,

If he can turn things round this season I would want his recruitment for next season to be very carefully monitored by the board and not just " if that what you want Russ type of response"

PS  I see fishy, fantails has appeared again , welcome back mate did you stay away in protest of my ban ?  

Not at all. I barely noticed you had gone never mind come back on. And I don't protest.
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Thing is he probably sees 'listening' to the fans as the fans running the show. In fairness he's right of course, the fans want Slade sacked, should he sack him on that basis? Also of course there are lots who claim often enough that he does not 'tell it how it is' but say he is feeding us bullshit or untruths - which do we want? (I suspect he was close to telling it exactly how it is on Saturday in the covert recording especially about Bignot, Slade and Asante and about how much he wants out)


Think you may have been brainwashed!

When i posted 'tell it how it is' I meant how JF sees things from his position. Nobody else influences him, he doesnt take on anything that he feels is criticism.

He is not above criticism, non of us are, but some times it is justified and admitting you got things wrong from time to time is a strength and not a weakness.

I would rather he said less and listened more but sadly i think the cast is set and the prickles are out.

I bet some of those who protested, as are some on here, absolute lunatics with no rational thoughts but one or two may have some fantastic ideas to improve things for the fans, the club and John Fenty himself. Trouble is it just doesnt get heard
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Think you may have been brainwashed!

When i posted 'tell it how it is' I meant how JF sees things from his position. Nobody else influences him, he doesnt take on anything that he feels is criticism.

He is not above criticism, non of us are, but some times it is justified and admitting you got things wrong from time to time is a strength and not a weakness.

I would rather he said less and listened more but sadly i think the cast is set and the prickles are out.

I bet some of those who protested, as are some on here, absolute lunatics with no rational thoughts but one or two may have some fantastic ideas to improve things for the fans, the club and John Fenty himself. Trouble is it just doesnt get heard


Good post
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Think you may have been brainwashed!

When i posted 'tell it how it is' I meant how JF sees things from his position. Nobody else influences him, he doesnt take on anything that he feels is criticism.

He is not above criticism, non of us are, but some times it is justified and admitting you got things wrong from time to time is a strength and not a weakness.

I would rather he said less and listened more but sadly i think the cast is set and the prickles are out.

I bet some of those who protested, as are some on here, absolute lunatics with no rational thoughts but one or two may have some fantastic ideas to improve things for the fans, the club and John Fenty himself. Trouble is it just doesnt get heard


I think JF ought to get his head around the fact that there are many of us out here who want to have a successful football club to support and, as part of that, would be happier to contribute rather than moan.
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JF's backing for Slade is so hypocritical.  He says we are a club who don't sack a boss for the sake of it, yet sacked Bignot without giving him anytime at all.  He had appointed an up an coming manager and he should have been given time, but then John's mate Russ needed a job so there we go!  
Bignot, was not the most popular, but he could spot a player, such as Jamey Osborne and Jones for starters.  We have gone 11 games without winning, we are playing terrible football, we are losing players through ill discipline in a way I have never seen and RS's recent record at other clubs should have been enough to avoid with a barge pole, even if he is your mate!  
Russ' quote of building a team is laughable with all the loanees, ageing signings and players out of contract, plus what have been shocking signings in general, whilst he could not see how the likes of Jones, Clements, Osborne and Max Wright could have brought us success.  Slade is clueless, Slade must go, followed by Fenty at some stage, I'm not buying it, you've ruined my club, I won't step foot in BP again (like many others) until Slade is gone and maybe not until Lord Fenty is out too! 15 years of poor decisions, your out of time JF and the longer you stick with Slade the worse it will get.
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I think JF ought to get his head around the fact that there are many of us out here who want to have a successful football club to support and, as part of that, would be happier to contribute rather than moan.


How can that work when we’re not allowed to know minor things like length of managers contract etc i don’t expect to know everything but fenty tells us zilch
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How can that work when we’re not allowed to know minor things like length of managers contract etc i don’t expect to know everything but fenty tells us zilch


Exactly that - and then when bits of information creep out, then the board loses credibility.
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Exactly that - and then when bits of information creep out, then the board loses credibility.


Hence why are PR is dreadful in all aspects , john said the PR is winning games how wrong he is. Lincoln have clearly sat down with someone who know their stuff and said how do we capitalise on this success and drive the whole thing forward .. while we waited to win games 🤨
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Fair play to the guy.

Let's all get behind the team

Utm


Just looking back to last month, given the current low profile of JF, I was wondering if there's any likelihood of another statement, trying to drum up support over the next few weeks? Or is it now bunker time and we won't hear any more from him?

As we go through this transitionary period, the other Directors and I will not hideaway and cower. it is now more important than ever that we maintain an ongoing, continuous dialogue together between the Board (mere custodians of our club) and supporters. We have insisted that we will not walk away and abandon the club in a precarious position, but will continue to be approachable and available to speak with supporters about solutions and the way forward for our 140 year old club (whether those solutions are with the current regime or without). I make no apologies for this.


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Just looking back to last month, given the current low profile of JF, I was wondering if there's any likelihood of another statement, trying to drum up support over the next few weeks? Or is it now bunker time and we won't hear any more from him?

As we go through this transitionary period, the other Directors and I will not hideaway and cower. it is now more important than ever that we maintain an ongoing, continuous dialogue together between the Board (mere custodians of our club) and supporters. We have insisted that we will not walk away and abandon the club in a precarious position, but will continue to be approachable and available to speak with supporters about solutions and the way forward for our 140 year old club (whether those solutions are with the current regime or without). I make no apologies for this.




If they said anything like that, hardly anyone would have any confidence in it being a genuine invitation for dialogue. It's far too late for that.


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For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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Like they'd listen to the supporters.
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Aye. He missed that boat a long while back. The only way he can win fans round now is to write his loans off, give the Trust those shares back and urine off and keep a low profile.

He'd probably find he's  a lot happier too.


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