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Sigone
February 1, 2018, 8:06am
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https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2018/february/board-of-directors-statement/

Thoughts???

I'm pleased they think our new signings are proven and exciting.
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Where is this?
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Why doesn't he just write the loans off?
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Get in the bin and stop taking the urine out of us.
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No mention of the Bignot debacle.

So what they are saying is if you have money Marlet might talk to you and despite us being a useless bunch of twits not fit to run the club you still have to support us.
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Quoted from Sigone

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2018/february/board-of-directors-statement/

Thoughts???

I'm pleased they think our new signings are proven and exciting.


Well I hope the board are right and the 90% of active supporters are wrong. However on this occasion I think the majority are correct and this shower of leadership should hang their heads in shame before departing as soon as possible.

I still hope we win on Saturday which will release some of the negative thoughts.
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Thoughts ?

A load of poppycock.


Oh and interested parties to contact Steven Marley ? No wonder we ain't found no one yet.


GTFC
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Embarrassing.
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Quoted from realist
No mention of the Bignot debacle...



Well....
"In the fickle and volatile world of football in which we operate, Football Clubs far too quickly respond to demands to change managers with the hope of a short-term points boost."


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Two statements backing the management team. They better hope to the heavens that they can turn this around starting on Saturday otherwise Mr Fenty and his friends have set themselves up to be pilloried like never before.


"Falls to Arnold... Arnold! That's it! Thats it! He's sealed it! Grimsby Town are back in the football league!!! Just a minute to go and Nathan Arnold makes it 3-1! Look at the scenes behind the goal! Look at the relief! The agony is finally over!!!"

John Tondeur - Wembley Stadium Sunday 15th May 2016
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At least we know the clubs PR department works.
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I,m pleased to see the statement of the support of Paul Hurst, always a mariner etc etc
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Difference is Paul Hurst has proved to be a winning manager...slade???
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Well at least it's a coherent, well written statement

Unfortunately I have to agree entirely with the comment about the negativity having a detrimental effect on the players. I've already said it before.. a lot of these players are young lads. They're going to be reading the endless hammerings on social media and forums such as this and there's just no way it can't get to them and overall grind them down. Look how defensive Slade is about it all.. at his age and experience he should be a thick-skinned seasoned professional but the pressure shows on him too. Because he's human. And for the players it must be ten times worse as many of them simply do not have the experience to handle it.

I just don't think we're helping ourselves by taking the urine out of the manager, taking the urine out of the chairman, and largely slating most of the team. I accept everyone is frustrated with the current situation and I totally agree that all the positivity and progress created from the promotion has completely been squandered.. but this is our reality and our situation and we just need to accept it and try to make the best of it.

I won't defend the manager or the chairman currently - I never wanted Slade for a manager, and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt my feelings there. But I just think we're never ever going to get out of this vicious circle of poor results and this awful rift between the club and the fan base if we carry on as we are.. I think the statement is right that, at this point in time, a change of manager wouldn't help matters.

And I simply don't agree that it's enough to "pay your money" and expect to turn up and see great football, as if that's all fans need to do. It needs to be more than that. We have to get behind them even if what we're seeing on the pitch is hugely disappointing as it will at least help to build confidence.

Just my 2p.
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I will always back the players 100%, but since the day he rejoined till the day he leaves I back slade 0%.
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February 1, 2018, 8:35am

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Yep... the bit about building towards a team capable of a challenge for next season...  didn't someone say there was no reason why we wouldn't be challenging for play offs this season  ?   And the dissatisfaction shown by fans is not doing the club any good...   our fault then....   we need to give ourselves a smacked bottom... how dare we show disapproval...


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Quoted from RoboCod


Well....
"In the fickle and volatile world of football in which we operate, Football Clubs far too quickly respond to demands to change managers with the hope of a short-term points boost."


What as apposed to long term relegation? Ffs who comes up with these statements?!!!


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What an absolute load of balderdash again.

Slade & Wilko were never the answer.
Two men on there way to the bottom and you Mr Fenty employed em to take our club down with them.
Mr Fenty your ego and arrogance is off the charts, you are a bully ( as well demonstrated with you ambush on MD)
You have never made one good decision that has benefitted our club.
I was always willing to concede you as you always say you are a big fan of the club but can't even do that now because that to is a load of balderdash.
Leave the club and take the rest of the dross with you.


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
GOD
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"Despite pressure and direction to do otherwise, the Board are firmly of the opinion that, with time, Russell and Paul will turn the results around on the pitch and assemble a team capable of challenging in League Two next season. "

They've had two windows, have shipped out more talented players than they have brought in and half our team is made up of loan signings. Do they actually engage their brains before making these decisions or writing the statements?
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In the fickle and volatile world of football in which we operate.

So I am fickle and volatile am I John.   You'll be calling us vile next !!

You quote Paul Hurst as sticking by the manager ?  Don't make me laugh.  There was nothing like the feeling of animosity towards him as there is to SLADE.

If you stuck by Paul Hurst why did he leave us ?  His sly comments about Town when he went weren't about the fans were they John ??

You have basically stated that Slade is here to stay so screw you lot.

If anyone thinks they can do better then just buy the club off us.  (Fully in the knowledge we can't afford it).

So by not turning up, it is us that are making the players play not so well?  Well guess what John, players for other clubs in front of much smaller crowds manage it. It's called being professional (and having a manager that can motivate helps).

I do like the bit about trying to get the fantastic support we know we are capable of though.
I'm sure I read something similar on here by one of the better posters only last week  

Overall, it seems to me that you have called our bluffs.  You have let your personal feelings cloud your professional judgement.  And by surrounding yourself with 'yes' men you haven't been advised any different.  Well take your ball and fcuk off home John. This club will survive in one form or another without you and your two bob mates.

Your dummy is still on the floor and I am not picking it up.


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She said 'Well you already know how to play football'  
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February 1, 2018, 8:41am
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Thanks. I applaud the board for making this statement cheered me up no end....
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Quoted from gary_elton
Yep... the bit about building towards a team capable of a challenge for next season...  didn't someone say there was no reason why we wouldn't be challenging for play offs this season  ?   And the dissatisfaction shown by fans is not doing the club any good...   our fault then....   we need to give ourselves a smacked bottom... how dare we show disapproval...


Exactly!

Pointing the finger at others.

No mention of why they have allowed the euphoria of Promotion to vanish so quickly. Sadly they think it is down to performances on the pitch, it isnt and never is the full story. It is the total and utter failure to embrace the supporters.

Reading the statement there is yet again, no attempt to engage, just ram their views down our throat.

After 50+ years attending BP I have had enough. Right now I couldnt despise any person more than our majority shareholder  
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February 1, 2018, 8:43am

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what needs to happen here is that someone from the club needs to front up for an interview and answer some of the questions that arise from this statement. It has to be an interview that is recorded live. Maybe a good idea for one of the directors to hold a press conference with the Tel and Humberside.

Be great to hear Matt Dean interview Fenty. Can't imagine anyone at the club would be up for it though.
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Add me to 50 year list. Not getting season ticket next season  if slade still here. Just pick and chose the odd game to go to. Sad it's come to this but going to BP has just become a habit and one that won't be too hard to break.
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Quoted from headingly_mariner
what needs to happen here is that someone from the club needs to front up for an interview and answer some of the questions that arise from this statement. It has to be an interview that is recorded live. Maybe a good idea for one of the directors to hold a press conference with the Tel and Humberside.

Be great to hear Matt Dean interview Fenty. Can't imagine anyone at the club would be up for it though.


hm No point is there all they do is tell us lies or what they think we want to hear.The only thing Mr Fenty has got right in his tenure is the uncanny knack of hoodwinking and appeasing the supporters most of the time to head off the inevitable sh1tstorm. That has now come full circle the storms here and starting Saturday he will reap the whirlwind he has got this totally wrong and in his long line of clangers keeping Slade will be his biggest. The Club are on a hiding to nothing Saturday even a win won`t make this go away anytime soon the lids off Pandora`s box and I see no way back.
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“The Board firmly believed that Russell Slade and Paul Wilkinson were the right men to lead the Club when they were appointed eleven months ago and continue to believe this today”.  
Really ? What have they done to make you believe that ?!!

“Supporters should not underestimate the impact the current environment at Blundell Park has on the players. It does nothing to help the team. We therefore ask the fans to do what they do best and that is to get behind the team and give them their wholehearted support.”
Why don’t you ask the management team what they have done to support the players insofar as the best players have all left or been hounded out only to be replaced with a bunch of journeymen and kids ?
Why would the supporters support the board and management team when you LIE and try and fill us with BS ? The latest one being the crock of sh.it about giving the manager funds to buy quality players . Simeon flipping Jackson ?!! All these statements don’t mean anything anymore you w.ankers .


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Directors loans and shareholdings should not be a barrier.
Mmmm


<'(((((<

When I was a little boy
I asked my daddy what would i be
would I be United, would i be Leeds
Here's what he said to me

Oh Grimsby Grimsby
Whatever will be will be
You'll follow then faithfully
Oh Grimsby Grimsby


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I dont want no tea no tea
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Really do think it is time for the Trust to consider it position of the Board,they have no real influence,and are being tainted by association.It really impacts on their credibility and integrity and their presence on the board is only tokenistic.

Additionally with Slade and Wilkinson in charge next season attendances are going to dwindle and therefore bar profits.
Do not let yourselves be used any further and disassociate yourself from this nonsense,you will be respected all the more for it.


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day,teach a man to fish and you give him an excuse for him to escape from the wife and kids for the weekend and drink lots of beer.
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Really do think it is time for the Trust to consider it position of the Board,they have no real influence,and are being tainted by association.It really impacts on their credibility and integrity and their presence on the board is only tokenistic.

Additionally with Slade and Wilkinson in charge next season attendances are going to dwindle and therefore bar profits.
Do not let yourselves be used any further and disassociate yourself from this nonsense,you will be respected all the more for it.


Isnt there a survey going on currently which will, amongst other things, decide the fans stance on the board seat?
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Well at least it's a coherent, well written statement

Unfortunately I have to agree entirely with the comment about the negativity having a detrimental effect on the players. I've already said it before.. a lot of these players are young lads. They're going to be reading the endless hammerings on social media and forums such as this and there's just no way it can't get to them and overall grind them down. Look how defensive Slade is about it all.. at his age and experience he should be a thick-skinned seasoned professional but the pressure shows on him too. Because he's human. And for the players it must be ten times worse as many of them simply do not have the experience to handle it.

I just don't think we're helping ourselves by taking the urine out of the manager, taking the urine out of the chairman, and largely slating most of the team. I accept everyone is frustrated with the current situation and I totally agree that all the positivity and progress created from the promotion has completely been squandered.. but this is our reality and our situation and we just need to accept it and try to make the best of it.

I won't defend the manager or the chairman currently - I never wanted Slade for a manager, and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt my feelings there. But I just think we're never ever going to get out of this vicious circle of poor results and this awful rift between the club and the fan base if we carry on as we are.. I think the statement is right that, at this point in time, a change of manager wouldn't help matters.

And I simply don't agree that it's enough to "pay your money" and expect to turn up and see great football, as if that's all fans need to do. It needs to be more than that. We have to get behind them even if what we're seeing on the pitch is hugely disappointing as it will at least help to build confidence.

Just my 2p.



I'm sorry but I wouldn't pay 2p for your comments.

That statement by the board is another complete load of balderdash.

No mention of the excrement players Slade has signed or the fact that his team selections / tactics / excrement players have led the team to this run of abject performances.

Fenty is blaming the fans again, the sooner he felicitations off and takes that ex teacher (I always hated teachers) with him and the rest of that useless flipping shower that runs this club that I have supported for over 50 years, the better.
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They've had two windows, have shipped out more talented players than they have brought in and half our team is made up of loan signings. Do they actually engage their brains before making these decisions or writing the statements?



No.
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Well at least it's a coherent, well written statement

Unfortunately I have to agree entirely with the comment about the negativity having a detrimental effect on the players. I've already said it before.. a lot of these players are young lads. They're going to be reading the endless hammerings on social media and forums such as this and there's just no way it can't get to them and overall grind them down. Look how defensive Slade is about it all.. at his age and experience he should be a thick-skinned seasoned professional but the pressure shows on him too. Because he's human. And for the players it must be ten times worse as many of them simply do not have the experience to handle it.

I just don't think we're helping ourselves by taking the urine out of the manager, taking the urine out of the chairman, and largely slating most of the team. I accept everyone is frustrated with the current situation and I totally agree that all the positivity and progress created from the promotion has completely been squandered.. but this is our reality and our situation and we just need to accept it and try to make the best of it.

I won't defend the manager or the chairman currently - I never wanted Slade for a manager, and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt my feelings there. But I just think we're never ever going to get out of this vicious circle of poor results and this awful rift between the club and the fan base if we carry on as we are.. I think the statement is right that, at this point in time, a change of manager wouldn't help matters.

And I simply don't agree that it's enough to "pay your money" and expect to turn up and see great football, as if that's all fans need to do. It needs to be more than that. We have to get behind them even if what we're seeing on the pitch is hugely disappointing as it will at least help to build confidence.

Just my 2p.


Not a pop at you by any means.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But a genuine question.  How many matches have you attended this season ?  I could be wrong (that is quite common) but I thought you were an exile.  It doesn't mean your opinion is any less valid, but I do wonder how you came to it.  This is normally the bit where you inform me that you have been to every match home and away and I get right back into my box  


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Quoted from MarinerMart
Add me to 50 year list . Not getting season ticket next season  if slade still here. Just pick and chose the odd game to go to. Sad it's come to this but going to BP has just become a habit and one that won't be too hard to break.


And add me to that 50 year list (well 49 since 1969). I passionately support the players if I can but I just don't want to be there any more. We are 3 generations with 4 season tickets and for a variety of reasons none of us will be there Saturday. Hope they win and we stay up but I can't sit through that dross any longer.
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Really do think it is time for the Trust to consider it position of the Board,they have no real influence,and are being tainted by association.It really impacts on their credibility and integrity and their presence on the board is only tokenistic.


Disagree with this.

Much better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

If the Trust leaves the board, they will have absolutely no influence thereafter. Flouncing off isn't the way to go, even if they can't achieve a huge amount at present. Hopefully things will change at some point in the future and they'll be able to have a more meaningful input into the running of the club.
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The club is a joke, and will remain so whilst these muppets are in charge.  The best course of action is to stay away and let them get on with it.  Nobody in their right mind would back Slade at this stage, it just shows what a complete farce this club has become.  I am voting with my feet even though I have had a season ticket 40 plus seasons.  The Board are insulting our loyalty, passion and intelligence with this latest statement .  The sooner Fenty and the rest of them are out of this football club the better, the man has been a curse on this fantastic club.  The real asset of this football club are the FANS, without them, their is nothing left.

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Disagree with this.

Much better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

If the Trust leaves the board, they will have absolutely no influence thereafter. Flouncing off isn't the way to go, even if they can't achieve a huge amount at present. Hopefully things will change at some point in the future and they'll be able to have a more meaningful input into the running of the club.


I'm not saying whether they should resign form the board or stay but I'm asking what influence do they have having someone on the board.

The Trust should come out and state whether their representative supported this and the last statement from the board.
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Disagree with this.

Much better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

If the Trust leaves the board, they will have absolutely no influence thereafter. Flouncing off isn't the way to go, even if they can't achieve a huge amount at present. Hopefully things will change at some point in the future and they'll be able to have a more meaningful input into the running of the club.


This was always my view BUT I have come round to the thought that the only way to attempt to force change is to come off the board and then try and question everything, become a thorn in Fenty's side even hand the bars back.

Significant change but it is the only way to force change
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Disagree with this.

Much better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

If the Trust leaves the board, they will have absolutely no influence thereafter. Flouncing off isn't the way to go, even if they can't achieve a huge amount at present. Hopefully things will change at some point in the future and they'll be able to have a more meaningful input into the running of the club.


Oh, if this was only true we are inside the tent being drunk on.
We have no absolutely influence now and being charged £30.k for it.


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Personally I think they should shut the fcuk up and start making a difference, talk is cheap and at the moment it's all talk. Just posting a statement on a web sit means nothing.

It feels like a case of "we are the only one who'll do this so you'll just have to put up with it".

I just fear that this is there way of warming towards an administration situation on the back of they can no longer deal and cover the liability, I don't get them and furthermore I don't trust them.

Though I did not agree with some of the things they have done as was happy to stay positive as in reality I knew they didn't have the personal wealth, leadership or commercial acumen to take us forward, I termed them as enthusiastic armatures.

The fans forum was the tipping point as the came across as just ammeters and pretty dangerous ones at that in that they sowed complete contempt for supporters and behaved unprofessionally in public with Matt Dean.

Since the POF other than sacking Bignot they have got everything wrong.  



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Fickle and volatile? Please explain the Marcus Bognor departure then. Thanks.
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Personally I think they should shut the fcuk up and start making a difference, talk is cheap and at the moment it's all talk. Just posting a statement on a web sit means nothing.

It feels like a case of "we are the only one who'll do this so you'll just have to put up with it".

I just fear that this is there way of warming towards an administration situation on the back of they can no longer deal and cover the liability, I don't get them and furthermore I don't trust them.

Though I did not agree with some of the things they have done as was happy to stay positive as in reality I knew they didn't have the personal wealth, leadership or commercial acumen to take us forward, I termed them as enthusiastic armatures.

The fans forum was the tipping point as the came across as just ammeters and pretty dangerous ones at that in that they sowed complete contempt for supporters and behaved unprofessionally in public with Matt Dean.

Since the POF other than sacking Bignot they have got everything wrong.  



Dont think they would consider moving towards Administration as the primary person to lose out would be JSF
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Well, when you have to keep churning out statements to back the manager ask yourself this...

Was the appointment really a good appointment?


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They know they are going to have to sack him before the end of the season otherwise season ticket sales could be down to the sub-1000 mark. And that's if we're in this division. So why not just do it now????


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Well Mr Fenty,
I was totally for peaks parkway but now I will be writing to the council regarding my opposition to peaks parkway. The only reason he is clinging on to this club  is because he wants money from the housing in connection to the peaks parkway project. That is fair enough but why should I trust you in building a football stadium when you have destroyed a football club? If he wanted to sell the club then he would have sold it to the Americans instead of saying that ‘he wants to give the fans of this a football club a voice’. We are yelling at you now and you are not listening. Before people say anything I am not a resident of peaks parkway and I live in Waltham but this and boycotting the games are the only two ways Fenty will listen.
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Do you know what would be a laugh... Another fans forum.


Sleep well Icey, Matty and Richard. Keep each other company up there xx

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Another 50 years and more supporter who won't be back until the rotten fish head and his sycophants have been thrown back in the North Sea.
Can't take any more of their crap. You lose trust you know and I don't trust any of them one little bit.
Sad, sad days for GTFC  
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Yep 40 years here who`s had enough of the spin
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Really do think it is time for the Trust to consider it position of the Board,they have no real influence,and are being tainted by association.It really impacts on their credibility and integrity and their presence on the board is only tokenistic.

Additionally with Slade and Wilkinson in charge next season attendances are going to dwindle and therefore bar profits.
Do not let yourselves be used any further and disassociate yourself from this nonsense,you will be respected all the more for it.


Questions for the trust.
Did you sign off on the Club Statement blaming the fans for the excrement the club is in now???
Did you have any input into the Statement????


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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Same here,  two season ticket holders, 40 plus years..
Never boycotted (except Chuck up trophy).
I'd thought I'd seen it all, but that's it from me and my father.
Cannot begin to respond to the board's statement, it frankly doesn't deserve one.
But if they genuinely think this is a few, fickle fans they are so so deluded.
As for building, you don't start with a wrecking ball.
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Questions for the trust.
Did you sign off on the Club Statement blaming the fans for the excrement the club is in now???
Did you have any input into the Statement????


Why are the Trust reluctant to provide this basic information,you cannot use confidentiality as an excuse.


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it seems to me that people just not turning up is the only answer, that way our fragile players won't be adversely affected by the crowd's negativity and JF will hopefully get the message via a deserted stadium that fans have had enough.

2 other possibilities (backed by publicity)

1) mass return of season tickets by those not planning to go any more
2) public pledge or petition by those season ticket holders who won't be renewing if things stay as they are

you've got to hit JF with ££££ - it's the only thing he listens to
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I just fear that this is there way of warming towards an administration situation on the back of they can no longer deal and cover the liability, I don't get them and furthermore I don't trust them



Herts have to agree, we’ll be in administration by the end of 2018. It is unlikely the Club will be able to generate much cash from season ticket sales this Summer. We are in transition of DEMISE, instead of shipping in more loan signings,  probably on decent wages it would have been cheaper to let Slade go.
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I suppose we could organise a mass lets go and watch Cleethorpes Town/Grimsby Borough Saturday afternoon instead of going to Blundell Park - that might send a message to Fenty of how much cash he is missing out on
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I suppose we could organise a mass lets go and watch Cleethorpes Town/Grimsby Borough Saturday afternoon instead of going to Blundell Park - that might send a message to Fenty of how much cash he is missing out on


Each to there own.

I tried it and it was awful, Just didnt feel anything for what was going on in front of my eyes. That is not meant to be a slight on the clubs or the local players it just wasnt my team I guess
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Each to there own.

I tried it and it was awful, Just didnt feel anything for what was going on in front of my eyes. That is not meant to be a slight on the clubs or the local players it just wasnt my team I guess


Yeah i get that, I'm just getting desperate. It's clear that Slade and Fenty are destroying this club.
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Questions for the trust.
Did you sign off on the Club Statement blaming the fans for the excrement the club is in now???
Did you have any input into the Statement????


My Trust membership expires at the end of this month, and I will (currently) not be renewing.

They have absolutely zero influence in the way the club is run and there has been nothing but silence from them during this shambles that is unfolding.
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It's all hot air and guff that i have heard many times before, only this time i won't blindly keep going thinking it will get better, because it never does. They have used up all my good will and that's another supporter of approaching 50 years that will not be buying a season ticket. The other three i attend with probably won't be either. I didn't want Slade back but yet again, gave the club the benefit of the doubt and bought a ST. Quickly realised it was a mistake and the one good game i have seen so far this season cost me £340. Not once have i booed or shouted at the players/management, despite the awful fare on offer at BP, so you can fook right off.

It just shows how little they know about the fans, that they thought bringing back Slade was a good idea. Selling Jones at the 11th hour was just putting the boot in once too often.
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With that statement the board has effectively signed the club's death warrant.

They've put themselves in a no-win situation.

Stick with Slade and we could go down. Even if we stay up, season ticket sales next season will be hit massively.

No one is happy with these results, but more importantly no one is happy with the football. There was discontent among the fans long before this awful run began.

The reasons for sacking Bignot become more ludicrous with every passing day. He was simply not judged on the same criteria as Slade is being judged.

There's clear preferential treatment and that comes from a personal approach, not a club approach. John Fenty has once again let his personal views dictate things.

Even if Slade sorts this mess out, it's only a mess he created in the first place so he won't get elevated in the eyes of the fans. It was he and Fenty who mentioned a push for the play-offs when he was appointed, not us.

So we'll either go down and drift slowly into the abyss, or we'll stay up and attendances will plummet.

The only thing that will improve the situation is if Fenty, Slade or both go.

And the only person who has created this situation is John Fenty.

Don't blame the fans, John. Don't tell us what we should and shouldn't do. We're not responsible for this mess. You are.

You are financially out of pocket because of the mistakes you have made. All our assets - Bogle, Osborne, Jones - have gone. Attendances are falling. The stadium won't happen. You need to up your game to find this investment because right now you're doing irreversible damage to this club and this will be the thing you're remembered for.

Destroying the club I love; my dad loves; my grandad loved; my great grandad loved.

I really hope that troubles you at night. Because it should.


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Re Trust, please don't shoot the messenger.

I too hope they will advise whether or not they were party to that statement. If they were then there needs to be some serious soul searching. If they weren't there also needs to be some serious soul searching about why they were not involved. I feel for the Trust, I really do, but the whole guilt by association thing that will inevitably develop with a continued presence on the baord could seriously undermine them - unless the folk sharing their angst on here are not truly representative of the club's fans as a whole, and I don't believe that for one moment.


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"......Clubs respond too quickly to the demand to change managers......."

Ask Everton and Swansea fans if they agree!

It is all about getting the right manager for the Club.
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Should we be losing Saturday with around 10ish minutes to go a mass walk out would be a message to thise watching from director's box
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Latest statement from board will be General Slade will save the day with his reinforcements.


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how did i know that it'd be the fans who got the blame.........
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Ok....
well what did anyone expect really ?

We as a board have fcked up by backing Russell just recently but now we have had a change of heart and dont actually think Russell is capable but we cant afford to sack him, so for now he will remain in charge...

The board can only issue the statement it has in reality, how much you want to swallow it or pick it to pieces is down to each individual.

Again in the statement, the board have made it clear that they are open to offers of assistance, backing or takeover subject to subsequent due diligence being undertaken. Surely we all accept we would want that ?
This backs up what JF said at the forum ...basically he is fed up of it and wants out....fans protesting is all well and good but i honestly believe they want out anyway and would jump at a suitable offer.....not the first offer....but an offer from genuine investors, with the necessary skills and finances to secure the future of the club.

Personally i think any fervour would be better spent campaigning suitors to form a takeover party and doing pro-active works in that field than calling for people to go who already accept they want to go but wont just pass it into the hands of any chancers to do so.  

I will be there Saturday to watch my team, i wont be screaming for anyones head, i will support the players and i will groan at the players just as i do at any game of football and will be hoping for three points because my club needs them right now and a volatile atmosphere wont help achieve that.

That statement to me underlines the board want out....the quickest and easiest way to achieve that is to come up with a viable takeover plan IMO.












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I think the statement was the best I’ve seen come out of Blundell Park for years. Well structured. Coherent. Good grammar. Such an improvement.
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What they really mean is that we have made a right f***ing mess of this and we need someone to come into clean up our s**t


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Comedy gold coming from the club, you couldn't make it up. I wish Nero was still alive, he could learn a thing or two off Fenty and his yes men. Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned, Fenty and his yes men are partying like they are at a rave.

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Statement of intent...... to P1ss off the town fans even more.

The simple truth is that Fenty had to give him a large 'undisclosed contract' to convince him to come back and that its gonna cost a fortune to pay him off.  Instead lets throw a few cheap loan signings in the mix and hope we crawl to a mid table finish then pray Slade gets his player recruitment better next season.

The fact still remains that he has stripped away the little talent we had left in the squad and replaced them with players like Kelly, Hooper, Cardwell and Dixon that cannot comnand a place in the 11 let alone the matchday squad.

Add to this that an PR relationship with fans and radio humberside has reached breaking point and gate attendances are edging to becoming unsustainable then the board should have thought that a change would be best to save us from potential disaster.

Appears not, they are praying for the miracle of an upturn in form and then they can say they were right not to make a 'knee jerk decision' or listen to us fans.

I really do hope we can survive this season and this wont stop me going to the games to support 'my club' but to say im unhappy is a huge understatement.

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Ok....
well what did anyone expect really ?

We as a board have fcked up by backing Russell just recently but now we have had a change of heart and dont actually think Russell is capable but we cant afford to sack him, so for now he will remain in charge...

The board can only issue the statement it has in reality, how much you want to swallow it or pick it to pieces is down to each individual.

Again in the statement, the board have made it clear that they are open to offers of assistance, backing or takeover subject to subsequent due diligence being undertaken. Surely we all accept we would want that ?
This backs up what JF said at the forum ...basically he is fed up of it and wants out....fans protesting is all well and good but i honestly believe they want out anyway and would jump at a suitable offer.....not the first offer....but an offer from genuine investors, with the necessary skills and finances to secure the future of the club.

Personally i think any fervour would be better spent campaigning suitors to form a takeover party and doing pro-active works in that field than calling for people to go who already accept they want to go but wont just pass it into the hands of any chancers to do so.  

I will be there Saturday to watch my team, i wont be screaming for anyones head, i will support the players and i will groan at the players just as i do at any game of football and will be hoping for three points because my club needs them right now and a volatile atmosphere wont help achieve that.

That statement to me underlines the board want out....the quickest and easiest way to achieve that is to come up with a viable takeover plan IMO.












I tend to agree.

Every effort should now be made to bring his terrible reign to an end. He won't get all his money back, quite rightly, and surely some interested parties might be able to compromise in negotiations? There must be some savvy business people with local connections who would be interested?

Lets hope it is the beginning of the end for Fenty, but in the meantime we stay in the league to rebuild from there.
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Should we be losing Saturday with around 10ish minutes to go a mass walk out would be a message to those watching from director's box


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Whether we agree with the decisions they're making, the actual statements they're putting out are at least a lot more professional than what we've had in the past. I don't think anyone could argue that.

For me, there are parts of it that didn't need to be in there and other parts that some fans will use as a stick to beat the club with rather than look objectively at what they're saying.

The decision to back the management team is obviously one that goes against majority supporter opinion. But you can at least see the logic in that they don't want us to become a "sacking" club. If we sacked Slade now we'd be on our 4th permanent manager in 15 months. No-one wants us to become known as a sacking club, it doesn't help future manager or player recruitment. I'm not saying this is a strong enough reason to keep RS as manager, but I recognise there's at least reasoning behind it and the board obviously have more faith in him turning results around than most fans do.

We will see how it pans out. Other managers have had success after Clubs have stuck with them - Bristol City doing well this year when last year many wanted their manager out. Who knows if that will happen here maybe next season. We've not seen signs of it yet. But whether we like it or not he's going to be here long enough for us to find out.


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I'm still struggling with the fact Bignot was sacked after a game where we scored the same amount of goals in 90 minutes than we have in the past 10 games yet this joker still gets the board's backing


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reading between the lines from the statement of that unbearable belittling weasel Marley,, slade isn't going anywere until next season atleast ,, the only language fenty speaks in is money and he will only take action when 1000 season tickets are sold next year and hits him in the pocket , I think it's been mentioned before do we need 2800 through the gates a week to make a profit . If so this season is already covered in st sales even if nobody turned up he's already got the cash in the bank ,
so even tho I agree with the protests etc it won't change anything until atleast the end of pre season were I believe he will panic and get rid of slade then hoping a knee jerk sacking and a replacement may boost st sales ,, I also wouldn't be surprised if he tries his best to flog the club in the summer as he will know what's coming
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We need way more than 2800 to make a profit. Be very surprised if we are not losing money every week with the gates as they are.
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From the statement I think Fenty and the board want a way out. They clearly decided not to trust RS to make any more permanent signings. Apart from Asante the Bignot squad has gone. We have a large number of loanees who will not be here next season and a few out of contract. Some players have left because they don't want to be here. Surely we cannot give money to RS in the summer to have another go. A clean sweep will be required and so fresh new ideas at all levels at the club.
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After this statement (which pretty much says the board are open to offers) isn't it time for the Mariners Trust to step forward and see if local business people would join a collective interested in regime change?

I'm convinced the Trust could raise more than £30k a year if it had to. Especially if it had a cause. Add to that financial backing from local business owners and enough money could be raised to bridge the gap if 'football fortune' isn't achieved.

Surely this is the time to at least try something like this, rather than just doing nothing?
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I'm not saying this is a strong enough reason to keep RS as manager, but I recognise there's at least reasoning behind it and the board obviously have more faith in him turning results around than most fans do.


I absolutely see where you are with this but the word reasoning stands out here...reasoning is subjective, so someone's reasoning may only be reasonable to that person or group. This groups reasoning has been particularly wonky at times, there are no hard and fast rules as such in sacking managers but there are precedents set and one recent one was Bignots sacking. The reasons were all given in a statement and Slade has clearly also been culpable of all of those errors outlined in that statement, and by a much huger margin. Do the board actually have genuine faith, or just hope?
Faith was shown last time, in Woods, in the end not even hope could help us.

What I'm saying is that this isn't reasoning as much as it is making a stand, saving face, in the face of having painted oneself completely and utterly into a corner.


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At least we know the clubs PR department works.


Not really, there's a glaring typo in the statement...

"Despite pressure and direction to do otherwise, the Board are firmly of the opinion that, with time, Russell and Paul will turn the results around on the pitch and assemble a team capable of challenging for League Two next season."
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The Hurst mention is a bit disingenuous IMO. Hurst did face some (imo daft) opposition at times but always had us up and around the play-offs, including falling at the last hurdle. Hurst did bring in some quality players: Almond, Bogle, Nolan, Henderson to name a few.

Now I understand that is subjective. However what really makes the statement disingenuous is stating the case for not being fickle and giving managers time to do a job (something I personally agree with), but somehow missing out any reference to Bignot. It's like a selective memory: to reference Hurst whilst overlooking a more recent manager means the argument is not really valid.
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Hurst wasn't hounded out by the fans either, despite many not wanting him here, and even then most admitted, myself included, that he had earned the right to manage us in the league, and we were quite happy with what he was doing. He left because he got a better offer elsewhere and his parting shots were not fired at the fans when he said he was looking forward to working with honest people.

Admittedly, the club did stick by him when many wanted him gone and it turned out alright in the end. Whether he would have survived had we lost the play off semi to Braintree is another matter.

I think what the club fail to realise is that Slade was a very unpopular choice anyway, even without the abysmal run we are currently on. It's not just the results that are getting people riled up. He is never going to get much leeway with the fans, whatever he does.

Having said all that, it's now pointless to keep going over it all. The club have made their choice, the manager has signed the players he thinks will help us and all we can do now is see what happens for the rest of the season. We have the manager we have, we have the players we have, and it's all about getting some wins now. So to that end, i will be there Saturday hoping for a win and a performance, hoping the new and the old players get it together for our league status. I understand that some will stay away and that is their right, but the part of the statement i do agree with is that we should just go and support the team. Protests should be kept away from the players.
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As I see it  keeping Slade will cost the club at least £300,000 in lost season ticket sales they cannot stand that,they will sack him at the end of the season.


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I think the statement was the best I’ve seen come out of Blundell Park for years. Well structured. Coherent. Good grammar. Such an improvement.


ie Donald Trump's speechwriters had nothing to do with it.



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I know it's unfashionable, but I think that sacking Slade yesterday would have been a bad decision regardless of how much our terrible run of form over the past couple of months might have justified it. Getting rid of him on deadline day when I assume the moves for the outgoing and incoming players were mostly sorted out would have left us up shite creek without any sort of a paddle - even a rubbish one! For instance, I don't believe for one second that Jones didn't know anything about a potential move until 6pm - players, managers and clubs just tell brazen lies about transfers.

If we were going to sack Slade, the time would have been after Newport, which would have allowed a new manager to be selected and then perhaps bring in one or two of his own players as well as deciding whether or not to keep the ones who have been shipped out.

As this didn't happen back then, the window had passed so now we've just got to hope that the new arrivals can do enough to keep us out of the mire.

Longer-term, i.e. past the end of the season, I'd say that Slade's position is all but untenable barring an absolutely remarkable turnaround in fortunes on the pitch. I'm talking about a run of results good enough to get us close to the play-offs which I doubt is possible. Making up 15 points in 15 games when teams in the play-off places have 17 games to play? Nah, not going to happen. Even if we finish relatively comfortably clear of relegation (and I hope that we do!), there is too much ill-feeling towards Slade for him to remain at the club.

Fingers-crossed for GTFC to be Slade-free and still in the Football League come the start of next season. The way things have been going, we'll need some luck.
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Apparently Slade was appointed 11 months ago -12th April 2017? - and in what way was that appointment not 'fickle & volatile'? - and in that 11 months (actually 9.5months), he has systematically got rid of all of Bignot's signings.

That suggests to me that they were given big money to come here as part of the Bignot revolution. The question that follows on from that is a simple one. Didn't the board sign those deals off & weren't they aware of the financial consequences?
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Apparently Slade was appointed 11 months ago -12th April 2017? - and in what way was that appointment not 'fickle & volatile'? - and in that 11 months (actually 9.5months), he has systematically got rid of all of Bignot's signings.

That suggests to me that they were given big money to come here as part of the Bignot revolution. The question that follows on from that is a simple one. Didn't the board sign those deals off & weren't they aware of the financial consequences?


Bit like a cuckoo really.


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I'm desperately searching for something positive at the moment but I can't see it.
In theory continuity is the answer and it is possible that Slade could turn it round, however the evidence points overwhelmingly to him failing. He's got rid of our best players in Osborne and Jones and so far the replacements have been poor.
There was a vocal minority who wanted Hurst out but that would have been stupid in my opinion. We were always there abouts, and he had an eye for a player. When he did make a mistake he got rid quick. It seems Slade doesn't have an eye for a player and we still have his mistakes, potentially causing trouble.
I respect the fact that JF is a town fan and I believe he's probably as unhappy as most of us at the moment. However, he's gambling with our football club and along with 90% of supporters I think he's got it wrong.
Falling gates will probably be the only thing that influences future decisions
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This may go down like a lead balloon but I dont think Slade is the primary problem
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This may go down like a lead balloon but I dont think Slade is the primary problem


He isn't - cue red crosses from Sonik & Squarkus.
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Dont think they would consider moving towards Administration as the primary person to lose out would be JSF


Yeah your right mate I just wanted to vent after waking up to see everyone moving forward and us stuck in the dark ages.  


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Should we be losing Saturday with around 10ish minutes to go a mass walk out would be a message to thise watching from director's box


I think that goes without saying.
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I think that goes without saying.


Don't we normally start losing after around 10 mins?
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"Alternatively, we invite any interested parties who feel that they have the wherewithal to take over the financial and operational running of the Club without the existing Directors to approach the Club to discuss the process.

Such approach may be by an individual, consortium or appropriate organisation.
The existing Directors’ loans and shareholding would not be a barrier to any interested parties subject to the usual due diligence taking place."

It's pretty clear from the above that the current board want out, and that JF is not looking to recover the loans he has put in. So the door is well and truly open for new owners to come in. That is positive because the current board have not been able to take the club forward.

I have some sympathy for JF. He is a fan at heart, and he stepped in after the ITV Digital fiasco and saved the club from going under. He has bankrolled the club to the tune if millions over the years, an amount which even to a wealthy guy like him, is a huge amount of money. It's not like he is a billionaire. It amounts to a very significant personal loss to him.

It's easy, with hindsight, to be critical of decisions which have failed. Didn't most of us welcome the appointment of Newell at the time? Both as a fan and as someone with a huge financial stake in the club, Fenty has taken decisions which he hoped would make the club successful. Ok, so it has largely failed to meet expectations, but at least we are in a better position than the likes of Hereford, Stockport, Chester, Wrexham, Darlington, and other previously well established clubs that have fallen out of the league.  

As we know, many football club owners are rather dodgy characters that often come close to destroying them while lining their own pockets. You can never say that about Fenty. He will walk away from the club millions poorer and with many years of personal abuse as memories. But at least there will still be a club.

The time has come for new owners. Let's hope it happens soon.
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"Alternatively, we invite any interested parties who feel that they have the wherewithal to take over the financial and operational running of the Club without the existing Directors to approach the Club to discuss the process.

Such approach may be by an individual, consortium or appropriate organisation.
The existing Directors’ loans and shareholding would not be a barrier to any interested parties subject to the usual due diligence taking place."

It's pretty clear from the above that the current board want out, and that JF is not looking to recover the loans he has put in. So the door is well and truly open for new owners to come in. That is positive because the current board have not been able to take the club forward.

I have some sympathy for JF. He is a fan at heart, and he stepped in after the ITV Digital fiasco and saved the club from going under. He has bankrolled the club to the tune if millions over the years, an amount which even to a wealthy guy like him, is a huge amount of money. It's not like he is a billionaire. It amounts to a very significant personal loss to him.

It's easy, with hindsight, to be critical of decisions which have failed. Didn't most of us welcome the appointment of Newell at the time? Both as a fan and as someone with a huge financial stake in the club, Fenty has taken decisions which he hoped would make the club successful. Ok, so it has largely failed to meet expectations, but at least we are in a better position than the likes of Hereford, Stockport, Chester, Wrexham, Darlington, and other previously well established clubs that have fallen out of the league.  

As we know, many football club owners are rather dodgy characters that often come close to destroying them while lining their own pockets. You can never say that about Fenty. He will walk away from the club millions poorer and with many years of personal abuse as memories. But at least there will still be a club.

The time has come for new owners. Let's hope it happens soon.


‘The existing loans would not be a barrier’, not quite the same as saying ‘all existing loans and covenants will will be removed without penalty to the new investors/owners’.  If he meant that the club will be freed of any obligation to repay then he would have said it.  Yet more desperate spin from a deeply insincere character.
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Quoted from RonMariner
"Alternatively, we invite any interested parties who feel that they have the wherewithal to take over the financial and operational running of the Club without the existing Directors to approach the Club to discuss the process.

Such approach may be by an individual, consortium or appropriate organisation.
The existing Directors’ loans and shareholding would not be a barrier to any interested parties subject to the usual due diligence taking place."

It's pretty clear from the above that the current board want out, and that JF is not looking to recover the loans he has put in. So the door is well and truly open for new owners to come in. That is positive because the current board have not been able to take the club forward.

I have some sympathy for JF. He is a fan at heart, and he stepped in after the ITV Digital fiasco and saved the club from going under. He has bankrolled the club to the tune if millions over the years, an amount which even to a wealthy guy like him, is a huge amount of money. It's not like he is a billionaire. It amounts to a very significant personal loss to him.

It's easy, with hindsight, to be critical of decisions which have failed. Didn't most of us welcome the appointment of Newell at the time? Both as a fan and as someone with a huge financial stake in the club, Fenty has taken decisions which he hoped would make the club successful. Ok, so it has largely failed to meet expectations, but at least we are in a better position than the likes of Hereford, Stockport, Chester, Wrexham, Darlington, and other previously well established clubs that have fallen out of the league.  

As we know, many football club owners are rather dodgy characters that often come close to destroying them while lining their own pockets. You can never say that about Fenty. He will walk away from the club millions poorer and with many years of personal abuse as memories. But at least there will still be a club.

The time has come for new owners. Let's hope it happens soon.


So are you are saying he doesn't deserve any criticism, are you saying that his role hasn't helped his life in other areas, if we went into admin Fenty would have lost a significant amount of money why do you think he arranged the club to pay back the tax man every penny, he was protecting his interest, why did he pay himself back whilst we were playing the taxman back, how did this effect the playing budget, how did his hiring and firing policy effect the club. I bet he hated being carried up in the air at Bournemouth when we managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. In the good times you get the glory and kudos in the bad times you get grief. You reap what you sow.


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Disagree with this.

Much better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

If the Trust leaves the board, they will have absolutely no influence thereafter. Flouncing off isn't the way to go, even if they can't achieve a huge amount at present. Hopefully things will change at some point in the future and they'll be able to have a more meaningful input into the running of the club.


I think the events of recent weeks and months show us that the trust has little or no influence on the present regime anyway. For that reason, and others, I believe it, and we, would be much better served if the trust resigns its seat on the board and declares itself ready to work with all interested parties for the removal of the present regime. I have called for that in the trust's survey and I suggest others follow suit. It is crystal clear that the present regime is unable and unwilling to work with other parties on terms that are favourable to anybody other than itself. We saw how they faced dissent, disgracefully, at the fans forum and we've seen it again today with this statement.

Of course, the clamour for change is only getting louder because of poor results recently. The manager has brought the current pressure on himself through the dismantling of a team with promise and his failure to come up with anything better. I hope the new signings will help to change our fortunes and I still intend to be there on Saturday to see whether that is the case. But I am resigned to what may be coming our way over the next few months. I have no confidence in the current management of our club, whether on the field or off it, and what makes it worse is that it almost doesn't hurt anymore. Recently, I could hardly bring myself to celebrate a Town goal. I shouldn't feel like that, but that is what this regime has done. Stop making statements and start taking positive action.
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Quoted from RonMariner
"Alternatively, we invite any interested parties who feel that they have the wherewithal to take over the financial and operational running of the Club without the existing Directors to approach the Club to discuss the process.

Such approach may be by an individual, consortium or appropriate organisation.
The existing Directors’ loans and shareholding would not be a barrier to any interested parties subject to the usual due diligence taking place."

It's pretty clear from the above that the current board want out, and that JF is not looking to recover the loans he has put in. So the door is well and truly open for new owners to come in. That is positive because the current board have not been able to take the club forward.

I have some sympathy for JF. He is a fan at heart, and he stepped in after the ITV Digital fiasco and saved the club from going under. He has bankrolled the club to the tune if millions over the years, an amount which even to a wealthy guy like him, is a huge amount of money. It's not like he is a billionaire. It amounts to a very significant personal loss to him.

It's easy, with hindsight, to be critical of decisions which have failed. Didn't most of us welcome the appointment of Newell at the time? Both as a fan and as someone with a huge financial stake in the club, Fenty has taken decisions which he hoped would make the club successful. Ok, so it has largely failed to meet expectations, but at least we are in a better position than the likes of Hereford, Stockport, Chester, Wrexham, Darlington, and other previously well established clubs that have fallen out of the league.  

As we know, many football club owners are rather dodgy characters that often come close to destroying them while lining their own pockets. You can never say that about Fenty. He will walk away from the club millions poorer and with many years of personal abuse as memories. But at least there will still be a club.

The time has come for new owners. Let's hope it happens soon.


I don't believe for a minute that Mr Fenty has ever had anything but the club's best interests at heart. But, seriously, dragging up a managerial appointment from 8 or 9 years ago that some may have agreed with is hardly a justification. It wasn't the fans who signed his contract!! Look at more recent history. The failure to support the fans post-Stevenage, the failure to understand the fans' views on Checkatrade, the farce that was the Fans' Forum, the SLO situation. These are all this season. Last season was Bignot, the Slade appointment that one journalist was stopped from asking questions about, Paul Hurst's departure & the lack of an S&C coach - I can go on!

Let's consider the finances - how much revenue did the club lose whilst in non-league? I know player wages would have been higher but look at how we have fallen behind others in terms of infrastructure in the interim.
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So are you are saying he doesn't deserve any criticism, are you saying that his role hasn't helped his life in other areas, if we went into admin Fenty would have lost a significant amount of money why do you think he arranged the club to pay back the tax man every penny, he was protecting his interest, why did he pay himself back whilst we were playing the taxman back, how did this effect the playing budget, how did his hiring and firing policy effect the club. I bet he hated being carried up in the air at Bournemouth when we managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. In the good times you get the glory and kudos in the bad times you get grief. You reap what you sow.


No, I'm not saying that. The failings are numerous. But I think he tried his best. Sadly it wasn't good enough in many cases, but no one has a crystal ball and it is very easy for some people who never had to take decisions to sit back and be wise after the event.  
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I don't believe for a minute that Mr Fenty has ever had anything but the club's best interests at heart. But, seriously, dragging up a managerial appointment from 8 or 9 years ago that some may have agreed with is hardly a justification. It wasn't the fans who signed his contract!! Look at more recent history. The failure to support the fans post-Stevenage, the failure to understand the fans' views on Checkatrade, the farce that was the Fans' Forum, the SLO situation. These are all this season. Last season was Bignot, the Slade appointment that one journalist was stopped from asking questions about, Paul Hurst's departure & the lack of an S&C coach - I can go on!

Let's consider the finances - how much revenue did the club lose whilst in non-league? I know player wages would have been higher but look at how we have fallen behind others in terms of infrastructure in the interim.


Well it seems he wants to leave the club as much as you want him to, so let's hope it happens soon.
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I don't believe for a minute that Mr Fenty has ever had anything but the club's best interests at heart. But, seriously, dragging up a managerial appointment from 8 or 9 years ago that some may have agreed with is hardly a justification. It wasn't the fans who signed his contract!! Look at more recent history. The failure to support the fans post-Stevenage, the failure to understand the fans' views on Checkatrade, the farce that was the Fans' Forum, the SLO situation. These are all this season. Last season was Bignot, the Slade appointment that one journalist was stopped from asking questions about, Paul Hurst's departure & the lack of an S&C coach - I can go on!

Let's consider the finances - how much revenue did the club lose whilst in non-league? I know player wages would have been higher but look at how we have fallen behind others in terms of infrastructure in the interim.


This is such a good post.  Bottom line is that at the beginning of his tenure, probably before, he had nothing but the club at heart.  Let’s face it, he must be a fan and, putting his mistakes to one side, one of great resilience.  He’s in some way the architect of his own failings but let’s not forget, he sold his business for £20m?  So that means he’s put in 20% of his worth!  Ask yourselves this, would you have done the same?  I know I wouldn’t, that’s my money, even though 20% of my jack excrement is still jack excrement.

I posted previously that I don’t know John, what I do know is that He’s put HIS cash where the majority wouldn’t, he deserves some credit for that so whatever the destiny of the club, he deserves some respect.

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No, I'm not saying that. The failings are numerous. But I think he tried his best. Sadly it wasn't good enough in many cases, but no one has a crystal ball and it is very easy for some people who never had to take decisions to sit back and be wise after the event.  


I see what you are saying, look at it this way and you don't need hindsight to weight up the dilemma we faced.

We owed the taxman a certain amount that had to be paid back in stages, how did Fenty's repayment for paying off Ramsden effect the playing budget, it was Fenty who hired and fired many managers paying them and crap players off then loaning the club money to cover this. We have a benign loan from Fenty is that loan itemized, if not why not. That way we can see why the loan is as high as it is and see the circumstances around it. Why did he have to loan the club money against it's assets when any businessman knows loans against the assets are bad for the books.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
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In case your wondering about my maths, put £2m into an inflation calculator and then add in his time investment.
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This is such a good post.  Bottom line is that at the beginning of his tenure, probably before, he had nothing but the club at heart.  Let’s face it, he must be a fan and, putting his mistakes to one side, one of great resilience.  He’s in some way the architect of his own failings but let’s not forget, he sold his business for £20m?  So that means he’s put in 20% of his worth!  Ask yourselves this, would you have done the same?  I know I wouldn’t, that’s my money, even though 20% of my jack excrement is still jack excrement.

I posted previously that I don’t know John, what I do know is that He’s put HIS cash where the majority wouldn’t, he deserves some credit for that so whatever the destiny of the club, he deserves some respect.



Deserved, past tense. He's lost every single ounce of respect with his numerous gaff and his lack of respect and contempt for the fans.  I value his mistakes at about 2 million, so he should walk away without his sodding loan.
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I see the Red Cross brigade are out in force.  Instead of being anonymously negative why not try constructive argument?
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This is such a good post.  Bottom line is that at the beginning of his tenure, probably before, he had nothing but the club at heart.  Let’s face it, he must be a fan and, putting his mistakes to one side, one of great resilience.  He’s in some way the architect of his own failings but let’s not forget, he sold his business for £20m?  So that means he’s put in 20% of his worth!  Ask yourselves this, would you have done the same?  I know I wouldn’t, that’s my money, even though 20% of my jack excrement is still jack excrement.

I posted previously that I don’t know John, what I do know is that He’s put HIS cash where the majority wouldn’t, he deserves some credit for that so whatever the destiny of the club, he deserves some respect.

To a lot of fans turning up to every home game costs them more than 20% of their available money.

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In case your wondering about my maths, put £2m into an inflation calculator and then add in his time investment.


About 3.1 million. http://www.hl.co.uk/tools/calculators/inflation-calculator

His time has been paid for by all the perks of being hosted as a chairman and the salary he draws.

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Deserved, past tense. He's lost every single ounce of respect with his numerous gaff and his lack of respect and contempt for the fans.  I value his mistakes at about 2 million, so he should walk away without his sodding loan.


Thank you, I wasn’t disputing his performance, if you read my previous posts I think you’ll find we are in agreement.  I was merely pointing out that he started with good intent and made a commitment (I won’t call it an investment) that the majority wouldn’t make.  Imagine the scenario, GTFC go into admin tomorrow, will you put 20% of your net worth in to save the club you love?  He did.

Yes he’s exhausted all of the goodwill and ultimately compounded our plight with his mistakes, but he at least gave it a shot.
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About 3.1 million. http://www.hl.co.uk/tools/calculators/inflation-calculator

His time has been paid for by all the perks of being hosted as a chairman and the salary he draws.



Lol, smart bottom!
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To a lot of fans turning up to every home game costs them more than 20% of their available money.



Equally valid point.
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Thank you, I wasn’t disputing his performance, if you read my previous posts I think you’ll find we are in agreement.  I was merely pointing out that he started with good intent and made a commitment (I won’t call it an investment) that the majority wouldn’t make.  Imagine the scenario, GTFC go into admin tomorrow, will you put 20% of your net worth in to save the club you love?  He did.

Yes he’s exhausted all of the goodwill and ultimately compounded our plight with his mistakes, but he at least gave it a shot.


I get your point and can see you're anti but just to be an argumentative fecker.  I would not put a single penny in if the club went into admin, because it'd only end up in JF pockets as his loan takes priority over any other debt the club has. He might have had good intentions when he first started out, but that has turned into self-preservation and he now only has his own money at heart not GTFC.  

Would I have put 20% of my money into GTFC at the same point in time as JF did (which was prior to the ITV digital collapse) and if I had 20 million, then maybe, I could still live on 16 million, I'd even by myself a snooker table! The future return on the investment was looking very rosy at that moment in time until ITV cocked up.  Would I have put 20% of my 2001 earnings, £15000 ish I think, not a chance as a young lad I needed every penny I earned, as I still do.

I just don't think any of the blame for the last 15 years of mainly shite, with too few highs, should be deflected away from the Messiah. I mentioned on a different thread but some GTFC fans really do have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to JF.
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I see what you are saying, look at it this way and you don't need hindsight to weight up the dilemma we faced.

We owed the taxman a certain amount that had to be paid back in stages, how did Fenty's repayment for paying off Ramsden effect the playing budget, it was Fenty who hired and fired many managers paying them and crap players off then loaning the club money to cover this. We have a benign loan from Fenty is that loan itemized, if not why not. That way we can see why the loan is as high as it is and see the circumstances around it. Why did he have to loan the club money against it's assets when any businessman knows loans against the assets are bad for the books.


Well secured loans are very common in business. They were loans rather than gifts because I suppose, at the outset at least, he hoped to get them back as the clubs fortunes improved. I remember one meeting where he said that no previous director had ever lost money investing in the club. Don't know if it's true, but it was what he seemed to believe.

I must say that I have always thought that the best way to lose your money is to buy a football club. They are bottomless pits financially. a majority of them have been in admin at one time or another, and very few make regular profits. They are often millionaire vanity projects.

That said, if I won the Euro Lottery I'd give it a go with Town. I'd be happy to pump ten or twenty million in if I won a hundred mill.  It would be worth it just to overtake Scunny.  Maybe I should start buying tickets.
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Am I right in thinking that JF has been accruing a decent pension from the club? Thought there was something on the accounts though not certain.
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Am I right in thinking that JF has been accruing a decent pension from the club? Thought there was something on the accounts though not certain.


Hard to say either way, £34k was paid into the pension pot, but that won't be just JF, most staff will have contributions from GTFC.

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Am I right in thinking that JF has been accruing a decent pension from the club? Thought there was something on the accounts though not certain.


That is one of the ways directors usually take money from a company because of the tax advantages for the individual. Over the years I don't imagine Mr Fenty is too much out of pocket.
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Can we be clear John Fenty doesnt draw a salary from GTFC!

I cannot remember the exact scenario over the annual payments in to a pension but I am sure someone will be able to remember. It was something to do with a payment/loan 5 star fish had made prior to its sale. It may have been that John paid itback personally in a lump sum and then GTFC paid him back ( directly into his pension)over a few years. Those payments ceased some years ago.

Like I said this may not be 100% correct
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Last season Notts County were shite and lost ten matches on the trot.
They picked up again and look at them this season!
It is a funny old game!
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Last season Notts County were shite and lost ten matches on the trot.
They picked up again and look st them this season!
It is a funny old game!


With a new manager.  
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Can we be clear John Fenty doesnt draw a salary from GTFC!

I cannot remember the exact scenario over the annual payments in to a pension but I am sure someone will be able to remember. It was something to do with a payment/loan 5 star fish had made prior to its sale. It may have been that John paid itback personally in a lump sum and then GTFC paid him back ( directly into his pension)over a few years. Those payments ceased some years ago.

Like I said this may not be 100% correct


I think you're right. I know that JF got very prickly about it at the time.
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Can we be clear John Fenty doesnt draw a salary from GTFC!

I cannot remember the exact scenario over the annual payments in to a pension but I am sure someone will be able to remember. It was something to do with a payment/loan 5 star fish had made prior to its sale. It may have been that John paid itback personally in a lump sum and then GTFC paid him back ( directly into his pension)over a few years. Those payments ceased some years ago.

Like I said this may not be 100% correct


this is correct, Whilst JF owned Five star He loaned the club some money but when he sold five star the new owners  recalled the money back, I believe it was paid back in installments as pension contributions, as I dont work in finance I dont get why it was done this way, JF does not take a wage from the club or any other payments, The 200k in last years accounts was explained as a separate loan he made to the club when we went to wembly to cover expenses until the club got the revenue back from the EFL..


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Last season Notts County were shite and lost ten matches on the trot.
They picked up again and look at them this season!
It is a funny old game!


Russell Slade and Kevin Nolan .... it’s not that hard to work out that one is a failed coach outdated and one is a up and coming manger just off the back of a decent prem career
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Hard to say either way, £34k was paid into the pension pot, but that won't be just JF, most staff will have contributions from GTFC.



£35k is not a massive amount, 12% of my salary is paid into my pension pot.  Add together the salaries of the non playing staff and multiply by a reasonable percentage (double the employee contribution) and I guess it’s not far off.
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Only permanent staff are entitled to/required to get a pension from the employer though aren’t they? Players wouldn’t count as they are effectively contractors.
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Only permanent staff are entitled to/required to get a pension from the employer though aren’t they? Players wouldn’t count as they are effectively contractors.


Nope, these days just about all staff have to be put into a pension scheme, even families who might employ permanent home help / child carer have to pay into a pension scheme for them.

The employee does have the right to opt out but only after they have been put into the scheme.

All due to Auto Enrolment and the minimum amount is going up to E'er 2% - E.ee 3% from this April then in 2019 E'er 3% - E'ee 5%. Currently the contributions are 1% for both E'er and E'ee.
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this is correct, Whilst JF owned Five star He loaned the club some money but when he sold five star the new owners  recalled the money back, I believe it was paid back in installments as pension contributions, as I dont work in finance I dont get why it was done this way, JF does not take a wage from the club or any other payments, The 200k in last years accounts was explained as a separate loan he made to the club when we went to wembly to cover expenses until the club got the revenue back from the EFL..



Not knowing the ins and outs of this procedure but if the pension contributions were classed as employee contributions then that individual may be able to claim an additional 20% or 40% from HMRC as a tax rebate depending on how it was paid into the scheme.

If it was classed as an employer contribution then there would be no rebate.
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Only permanent staff are entitled to/required to get a pension from the employer though aren’t they? Players wouldn’t count as they are effectively contractors.


Being a contractor and having a contract are two entirely different scenarios. As they play mainly at the same place, have to turn up when GTFC say, are provided with playing kit then I would think HMRC would deem them to be employees for tax purposes.
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Being a contractor and having a contract are two entirely different scenarios. As they play mainly at the same place, have to turn up when GTFC say, are provided with playing kit then I would think HMRC would deem them to be employees for tax purposes.


I best go knock on the bosses door where I’ve been working as a contractor for 8 months then. Working in the same shed on their shift patterns, wearing PPE with their badge on etc must mean I’m entitled to a pension.
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I best go knock on the bosses door where I’ve been working as a contractor for 8 months then. Working in the same shed on their shift patterns, wearing PPE with their badge on etc must mean I’m entitled to a pension.


For HMRC working at the same site on shift patterns and in a uniform are sure fire ways to ascertain whether you are an employee or not I would have thought.

We had guys working for us, they were not even given a contract of employment nor uniforms and may only turn up for a couple of weeks at a time from month to month but we still had to auto enrol them.

Unless the company you work for have a dispensation then I would have thought you should be classed as an employee.

If you are serious about this you should give these guys a ring or have a read.

https://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/about-pensions/pensions-basics/automatic-enrolment
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Russell Slade and Kevin Nolan .... it’s not that hard to work out that one is a failed coach outdated and one is a up and coming manger just off the back of a decent prem career


In hindsight yes, but if town had appointed Nolan to replace Bignot I wouldn’t have been jumping for joy given his record at Leyton Orient but as I have said some clubs suit certain managers and players, we just need to go online to find our perfect Manager,,!!!
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I think one reason and it's a big reason slade has survived this long is that it makes the club look stupid AGAIN for appointing a man they should never have appointed AGAIN.

thing is sacking slade would cost compo and that compo could have come from around an extra 800-1000 on the gate Saturday but instead the inevitable is just being delayed as I guarantee slade won't see this season.

Once we get flirting with the bottom five you better hope it's not too late John because this club can't and won't see another relegation.


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But thats the thing Jonnyboy Its got to be dividing the fans.  If you go to support the players.....then everyone thinks they are supporting the current regime.  Stay at home and the club suffers.....not JF or RS but the club...and im sure thete are fans out there that dont want to go.....but then are so town through through they just simply cant stay away its not in there DNA.

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February 2, 2018, 8:33am
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Meza I get you but I'm sorry until fans vote with there feet nothing will ever get done.

The person going on Saturday isn't a bigger or better town fan than the one staying home not happy with the way we are .

I can't think of any other way as going as much as I want to is just giving the club another 18 quid and meaning things carry on as they are , I'm sure I won't be the only one.


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I’m not going to stop supporting the players who wear the shirt of the club I love nor am I going to tell my autistic son that I’m not taking him. Does that make me happy with what’s going on? Of course it doesn’t but I’m hoping beyond hope that GTFC is here long beyond the current regime and beyond my lifetime.
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