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psgmariner
January 23, 2018, 11:27am

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An interesting, if depressing read.

As with so many northern towns, screwed over by politicians of all stripes for decades.
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January 23, 2018, 12:54pm

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Good piece that, thanks for sharing.

This rang true with me, especially regarding a new stadium “People are positive here, but there is a negative element. They don’t want good stuff to happen.”


"Lovelly stuff! not my words but the words of Shakin Stevens."
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January 23, 2018, 2:15pm

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A good read but a depressing one.

The good old days were really good when it comes to Grimsby.


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I’ve recently moved to Louth (7 months ago) due to work commitments and I don’t miss Grimsby at all, when I visit friends for a coffee in Freshney place I realise how run down the town has become, there are a lot of angry people in Grimsby too (I know you get this everywhere) but Grimsby seems to have more than it’s fair share.


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January 23, 2018, 2:58pm
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I was just about to post this article as just come across it.

Confirms why the Liberal elite don't understand why many towns like Grimsby voted for Brexit, a town forgotten by the south of the country.
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January 23, 2018, 3:02pm

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I was just about to post this article as just come across it.

Confirms why the Liberal elite don't understand why many towns like Grimsby voted for Brexit, a town forgotten by the south of the country.


Have you read the comments section?. Some proper infuriating stuff on there.


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Not a bad read to fair although had to cringe at the credit given to the EU for financing the fish market, (British tax payers money then!) the irony is that by joining this corrupt organisation contributed to the death of our fishing industry.


Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
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January 24, 2018, 10:08am
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Don't think the EU had anything to do with the Oil crisis of 1973 or the Cod Wars, did they?

I'm sure I read somewhere that the medium-range trawlers based in Grimsby were made uneconomical when oil prices quadrupled. That started the rot, the Cod Wars finished it off.
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Don't think the EU had anything to do with the Oil crisis of 1973 or the Cod Wars, did they?

I'm sure I read somewhere that the medium-range trawlers based in Grimsby were made uneconomical when oil prices quadrupled. That started the rot, the Cod Wars finished it off.


Our fishing industry was sacrificed in the desperation to join the old Common Market at any cost. Our traditional waters were handed over to foreign factory ships in exchange for a place at the subsidised lobster supper tables of Brussels.



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But we 'conceded' to the Icelanders in the Cod War because of pressure from the Yanks (I presume) following their threat to withdraw from NATO. That's why much of our fishing industry disappeared.

Joining the CFP just put the final of many nails in the coffin and any withdrawal from it won't make a blind bit of difference to this.

If we attempt to unilaterally claim the historical fishing waters in the days before any regulations, the retribution from the EU (who would quite reasonably be interested in looking after their member countries) would cost our economy many times the amount which could potentially be gained.

Government didn't care much about the fishing industry or towns such as our own when it went down the crapper so absolutely no chance of them caring now.
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IMO Grimsby never got the serious regeneration money that other places got because there are only 2 constituencies involved so less leverage in Parliament and its primary industry never had mass union membership to fight people's corner as a whole. All the 'regeneration' attempts mentioned have been piecemeal and micro-scale (no offence meant to the people who were doing their best).


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IMO Grimsby never got the serious regeneration money that other places got because there are only 2 constituencies involved so less leverage in Parliament and its primary industry never had mass union membership to fight people's corner as a whole. All the 'regeneration' attempts mentioned have been piecemeal and micro-scale (no offence meant to the people who were doing their best).


Good points about the unions !
If the fishing industry had been unionised then I'm sure the then labour party might have had to have taken an interest in fighting a little harder or at least got the fishermen some redundancy money
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Quoted from KingstonMariner
IMO Grimsby never got the serious regeneration money that other places got because there are only 2 constituencies involved so less leverage in Parliament and its primary industry never had mass union membership to fight people's corner as a whole. All the 'regeneration' attempts mentioned have been piecemeal and micro-scale (no offence meant to the people who were doing their best).


I was told the other day that the yardsticks for examples of desperately needed regeneration when the subject is broached in Westminster are Grimsby and Blackpool.


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I was told the other day that the yardsticks for examples of desperately needed regeneration when the subject is broached in Westminster are Grimsby and Blackpool.


Desperately needed but never really fulfilled.


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