Mariners Trust supporter survey

Can be completed here:

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/mariners-trust-survey-2018/

Paper copies available at home games from Saturday. If anyone has any questions they can private message me on here or email us on enquiries@marinerstrust.co.uk

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If there ever was a time for any GTFC fan to take take the trouble to put some effort and thought into a survey.. then this is it..

Can I just add that you don't have to be a Trust member to complete it!!!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Can I just add that you don't have to be a Trust member to complete it!!!

Good call..we want to hear from as wid3 a rang3 of fans as possible....

Done, but slightly confused with question 11.

It says rate the Trust from 1(worst) to 5 (best)
But when you go to tick the circle it says 1-excellent  5-poor.

I would like to give it 4 (if 4 is good), but was unsure so gave a 3  

Isn’t green meant to be bad luck for Mariners?

Also - what are the proposed changes for the Checkatrade trophy that we’re voting for or against? What have I missed? Is there even a vote planned with the EFL?

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Quoted from MuddyWaters

Can I just add that you don't have to be a Trust member to complete it!!!

You have to leave an email address even if you are not bothered about the draw

Also as others have mentioned, it asks about the changes to the twatatradetrophy but doesn't explain what they are so how can you comment and the rate the Trust is section is back to front.

Clearly no one has checked this before putting it out.

If it has flaws that need ironing out, think i'll wait 'til they are sorted.

We will amend scoring at the end ASAP. It should be 1 worst, 5 best.

Checkatrade next season is the same as this season. No difference but we want supporters to give us a mandate as to whether we should support it or not.

Quoted from bax

We will amend scoring at the end ASAP. It should be 1 worst, 5 best.

Checkatrade next season is the same as this season. No difference but we want supporters to give us a mandate as to whether we should support it or not.

Think you need to be clearer and outline exactly what 'changes' we are voting for or against on the Checkatrade. The question implies that there are some changes but you say it's the same.

Likewise - if there's no vote required from the EFL, what vote are you voting for or against too? All quite ambiguous.

Question definitely needs proof reading and clarifying before it can be classed as being used for a 'mandate' as I still don't have a clue either way. Also - what % of fan base has to complete for it to be considered a mandate?

Done but as above and I thought we should have had more questions.When you look at the fall out before but especially since the fans forum I am surprised the fans views were not sought in relation to ownership going forward.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Done but as above and I thought we should have had more questions.When you look at the fall out before but especially since the fans forum I am surprised the fans views were not sought in relation to ownership going forward.

Me too, I made sure I mentioned my feelings on that subject though.

I clicked a few selections by accident thinking I’d be able to confirm them by pressing next or whatever. Nothing important really though I might have got the 1-5 5-1 question the wrong way round.

I have done mine. Good on the Trust for canvassing the fans. How long is it open for?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I have done mine. Good on the Trust for canvassing the fans. How long is it open for?

'Til Feb 25th.

Now done but i feel it could be a tad more clear in parts.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Done but as above and I thought we should have had more questions.When you look at the fall out before but especially since the fans forum I am surprised the fans views were not sought in relation to ownership going forward.

Isn’t that included in the ‘what three things do you think the Trust should be doing’?

When I wrote the questions that’s where I intended that to go.

Ultimately unless someone comes forward there’s no question to be asked on ownership. You can’t have fan ownership if there’s no fans coming forward to take ownership!

I would make putting email address in compulsory. It’s a bit too open to being abused and it’s an important that it isn’t especially given that there’s £30,000 at stake.

Quoted from davmariner

I would make putting email address in compulsory. It’s a bit too open to being abused and it’s an important that it isn’t especially given that there’s £30,000 at stake.

I think it’s inportant to state this is a consultation with supporters. The results will be fed back and then if we decide to take decisions there will be a vote by Trust members.

Quoted from bax

Isn’t that included in the ‘what three things do you think the Trust should be doing’?

When I wrote the questions that’s where I intended that to go.

Ultimately unless someone comes forward there’s no question to be asked on ownership. You can’t have fan ownership if there’s no fans coming forward to take ownership!

Even if those in within the Trust membership are in favour of it as a long term aim? there has been lots of talk about it lately.

I find it hard to believe that Grimsby Town fans wouldn't come forward to facilitate fan ownership if that was an option. I can't see how our fans would be different to Exeter, Wycombe and Newport, other than that we are a bigger club.

But there’s a difference from saying ‘we want fan ownership ‘ to having someone stand up and say ‘we want fan ownership and lead on it’

There are lots of the former but none of the latter.

Quoted from bax

But there’s a difference from saying ‘we want fan ownership ‘ to having someone stand up and say ‘we want fan ownership and lead on it’

There are lots of the former but none of the latter.

At the minute it's not even being discussed and you as the chairman of the trust are suggesting it couldn't happen.

Do you think if it was an aim that the fans were behind people would come forward?

I am not having a go and I am not sure what the majority of people think. It's just an idea that seems to have been written off before it has even been discussed.

You’re putting words in my mouth 😂

I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen. But I’m saying as of now there is no one stepping forward to lead on it. And if it is to ever happen it needs willing bodies.

To be clear I am not that person. If the will of the Members is to go down that route I would resign as Chair because I don’t have the time or desire to run a fan owned club. Hence the need for people to step forward if that’s what they want.

Quoted from bax

But there’s a difference from saying ‘we want fan ownership ‘ to having someone stand up and say ‘we want fan ownership and lead on it’

There are lots of the former but none of the latter.

Agree totally with this and I'll be interested in the survey's views.

For my pennyworth I've used one of my three suggestions that the Trust researches into the possibilities of Trust/fan ownership and publishes a report. It's obviously up to the Trust's committee how it goes about this and what bodies/individuals in and outside the club it engages/consults.
But it's a massive undertaking and it needs careful consideration, rather than easy talk.
Perhaps it could lead to a more sedate approach with just a longer-term strategy to take gradual control over many years?

But at the minute it just seems a bit of a Sisyphean task.  

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I do not think the Trust running the club will happen while Fenty holds all the cards.

I do think the trust should insist that all board members put £30,000 each year or none of them do,

The trust will give the club money anyway but they should not be treated any differently  to other board members.

I think the Trust should be commended for this survey. It gives the opportunity to get everything you want to say .  Well done.

Completed and well done the trust for this survey, if the trust has to put £30k in a year this should be in the format of shares and all shares to protected with a hands off caveat.

I think the trust should give its 30k as benign loans.....

Quoted from Biccys

I think the trust should give its 30k as benign loans.....

I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious...but I think this would be a good idea!

The term "fan ownership" has been used a lot on here and probably covers three distinct and different possibilities that require more process than just making a decision.

Option One

Fan Ownership - Funded by fans, run by the fans..


Option Two

Fan led consortium - Jointly funded by fans, businesses HNW, run by a consortium of all three


Option Three

Fan led marketing venture to attract new investors - Marketing funded by the fans, club funded by the investors, club run by the investors


These options are worth expanding upon and investigating. But there are stages that need to be taken before any of them. The Trust are not equipped with the manpower to carry out these sort of exercises, so there would need to be a need for a wholesale recruitment of bodies and skills before anything could happen.

I personally think that Option One is out of reach but the other two options are more feasible if a lot more fans committed their time, skills and energy to the cause..


I have offered my services if anything like the above looks like coming to fruition.. It seems about the right time for anyone with any skill or spare time to step forward and offer their services to the Trust so the Trust could make a considered decision regarding the way forward..

Quoted from bax

You’re putting words in my mouth 😂

I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen. But I’m saying as of now there is no one stepping forward to lead on it. And if it is to ever happen it needs willing bodies.

To be clear I am not that person. If the will of the Members is to go down that route I would resign as Chair because I don’t have the time or desire to run a fan owned club. Hence the need for people to step forward if that’s what they want.

The chair of the trust doesn't necessarily need to be the chair of the club, it's probably best they would be different

Quoted from Marinerz93

Completed and well done the trust for this survey, if the trust has to put £30k in a year this should be in the format of shares and all shares to protected with a hands off caveat.

The 30k the trust give the club is profit from the bars which I cant see the club allowing the Trust to keep if they were to come off the board.
I would suspect the club would either take the bars back and keep the profit like they did in the past or have another agreement to get the money anyway.

The club did explain the 30k bit in this statement in DEC but for some reason, it was never mentioned on here  

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2017/december/trust-to-continue-blundell-park-bar-operation/

Quoted from cleethorpes_mariner

The 30k the trust give the club is profit from the bars which I cant see the club allowing the Trust to keep if they were to come off the board.
I would suspect the club would either take the bars back and keep the profit like they did in the past or have another agreement to get the money anyway.

The club did explain the 30k bit in this statement in DEC but for some reason, it was never mentioned on here  

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2017/december/trust-to-continue-blundell-park-bar-operation/

The club have proved conclusively that they can't run a pi$$-up in a brewery so I doubt they'll take the bars back!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The club have proved conclusively that they can't run a pi$$-up in a brewery so I doubt they'll take the bars back!

maybe not and if they did I doubt they would make the 30k the Trust do now, My point was the 30k was the clubs in the first place and they used it as a way for the Trust to pay for their board members ( originally there were two of them).

Would you allow someone to run your business and keep the profit whilst you pay all the expenses ?

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1 thing I had to comment on what should they do in 2018 is stand up to Fenty.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious...but I think this would be a good idea!

Why? At least shares give you voting rights. A loan is just a loan.

Quoted from cleethorpes_mariner

maybe not and if they did I doubt they would make the 30k the Trust do now, My point was the 30k was the clubs in the first place and they used it as a way for the Trust to pay for their board members ( originally there were two of them).

Would you allow someone to run your business and keep the profit whilst you pay all the expenses ?

The £30k mentioned was supposedly less than £10k when the club 'ran' the bars and not surprising really when some people didn't appear to pay for their drinks!
They are now run professionally and try to engage with the fans and be welcoming. IF the Trust have them removed or decide to walk away then the profits will not be close to £30k. as you say. I would expect the board to close them as they would quickly become a loss making set up!

The £30,000 profit from the bars will be a lot less next season,

If the fans who say they will not renew their season tickets if Slade is still here.

I'm pretty certain that I paid to join the Trust during OP but haven't heard anything from them since.

Does the Trust ever communicate directly with members by email?

Will they ever ask me for some more membership money?

Quoted from cleethorpes_mariner

maybe not and if they did I doubt they would make the 30k the Trust do now, My point was the 30k was the clubs in the first place and they used it as a way for the Trust to pay for their board members ( originally there were two of them).

Would you allow someone to run your business and keep the profit whilst you pay all the expenses ?

Agree - the £30,000 figure is a bit of a tenuous one on the Trust’s part. At the end of the day - the club would make that money regardless. It might cost them (marginally more) by staffing the bar themselves but they did it for how many years?

How much do the Trust make the club outside of this bar revenue?

Bax said in an earlier post he would not be the one to be the lead (fan ownership) maybe if\when one is elected they can have the seat on the board for some vital board room experience.

Bax is right, everyone wants a fan run club but no one is coming out saying i'll do it.  I'd back it and give money towards the greater goal, but I don't have the time, or know how.

Personally i think Fentys time is starting to come to an end.  He's been a decent chairman, but its pretty clear we need a new direction, whether that be a new chairman or fans owned.  Things will only get worse in my eyes.

Whats Mike Parker doing these days  

Quoted from Alfie

Agree - the £30,000 figure is a bit of a tenuous one on the Trust’s part. At the end of the day - the club would make that money regardless. It might cost them (marginally more) by staffing the bar themselves but they did it for how many years?

How much do the Trust make the club outside of this bar revenue?

The Trust has provided close to £250,000 in the last six years.

The bar "profit" is actually closer to £20k than £30k from recollection. It certainly doesn't cover all of the money the Trust has given to the club.

Quoted from bax

The Trust has provided close to £250,000 in the last six years.

The bar "profit" is actually closer to £20k than £30k from recollection. It certainly doesn't cover all of the money the Trust has given to the club.

That is a fantastic achievement..

Quoted from bax

The Trust has provided close to £250,000 in the last six years.

The bar "profit" is actually closer to £20k than £30k from recollection. It certainly doesn't cover all of the money the Trust has given to the club.

Quoted from Bigdog

That is a fantastic achievement..

Quoted from Meza

Bax said in an earlier post he would not be the one to be the lead (fan ownership) maybe if\when one is elected they can have the seat on the board for some vital board room experience.

Bax is right, everyone wants a fan run club but no one is coming out saying i'll do it.  I'd back it and give money towards the greater goal, but I don't have the time, or know how.

Personally i think Fentys time is starting to come to an end.  He's been a decent chairman, but its pretty clear we need a new direction, whether that be a new chairman or fans owned.  Things will only get worse in my eyes.

Whats Mike Parker doing these days  

He has been anything but a decent chairman! If you could have a job description in how not to do it he would have few rivals.

It is incredibly difficult to do any job which seems easier from the sidelines, and I very much appreciate that. However, he hasn't grown into the job at all has he? He is as hapless today as day one; still making the same mistakes over and over, still trying to live off his initial investment, still trying to cut every corner there  is to cut  and still hoping against hope that football fortune pays him a visit soon.

Mike Parker seemed to be the very opposite -  and it is a shame he didn't take him on all guns blazing.

Personally i'd love Mike Parker to lead the fans ownership
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Quoted from Meza

Bax said in an earlier post he would not be the one to be the lead (fan ownership) maybe if\when one is elected they can have the seat on the board for some vital board room experience.

Bax is right, everyone wants a fan run club but no one is coming out saying i'll do it.  I'd back it and give money towards the greater goal, but I don't have the time, or know how.

Personally i think Fentys time is starting to come to an end.  He's been a decent chairman, but its pretty clear we need a new direction, whether that be a new chairman or fans owned.  Things will only get worse in my eyes.

Whats Mike Parker doing these days  

Seriously? He's spent the last 5 years wanting to not be the chairman even though his loans are strangling the club.

Re Trust Questionnaire

The Trust should be praised for trying to engage with not just their members but all fans.

I think I am right in saying that the survey has come about, at least in part, by the supporters feeling of dissatisfaction with the football clubs handling of several events of late. This may include Checkatrade Trophy, Stevenage and bragate, The fans forum and general PR disasters along with the question of ownership and the Trusts payment to the club for its seat on the board. This list isn't meant to be exhaustive but it's a start.

Personally it isn't the cost of the seat on the board more the question of whether the fans get 'value' for that payment. Currently I don't believe we do.

I don't believe the rank and file get value from the seat on the board. We do not receive much by way of updates ( I appreciate there are some things that cannot, or should not, be made public) when my opinion is the boardroom seat should have brought about fan engagement and empowerment. Both the club and the Trust have missed a huge opportunity here.
I don't mean the fans been told or lectured, more the opportunity to make the fans feel involved and being consulted.
This is vital if the relationship between the fans and club has any chance of reconciliation. It is currently at an all time low from which it may never recover.

I'd like to see the Trust, on behalf of everyone at the club, genuinely involve the fans.

For example; if the club where not in the Checkatrade Trophy how can the fans help the club make up the financial shortfall? Ask them! Donations? Extra purchases from the club shop? Ask the question and I am sure there would be some decent ideas.

This is just an example but the overall point I am trying to make is about fan engagement. I don't think GTFC has ever valued the views of fans. If the supporter base believes they have a say, believes their views count, then they will feel a hell of a lot better about their club than they currently do that's for sure.

This engagement and feeling of being part of the club will have huge financial benefits to the club, much larger than any bribe to enter the Checkatrade Trophy!

If the Trust can help facilitate a new era of openness and engagement then this survey will be extremely worthwhile

Done.

Quoted from BIGChris

Re Trust Questionnaire

The Trust should be praised for trying to engage with not just their members but all fans.

I think I am right in saying that the survey has come about, at least in part, by the supporters feeling of dissatisfaction with the football clubs handling of several events of late. This may include Checkatrade Trophy, Stevenage and bragate, The fans forum and general PR disasters along with the question of ownership and the Trusts payment to the club for its seat on the board. This list isn't meant to be exhaustive but it's a start.

Personally it isn't the cost of the seat on the board more the question of whether the fans get 'value' for that payment. Currently I don't believe we do.

I don't believe the rank and file get value from the seat on the board. We do not receive much by way of updates ( I appreciate there are some things that cannot, or should not, be made public) when my opinion is the boardroom seat should have brought about fan engagement and empowerment. Both the club and the Trust have missed a huge opportunity here.
I don't mean the fans been told or lectured, more the opportunity to make the fans feel involved and being consulted.
This is vital if the relationship between the fans and club has any chance of reconciliation. It is currently at an all time low from which it may never recover.

I'd like to see the Trust, on behalf of everyone at the club, genuinely involve the fans.

For example; if the club where not in the Checkatrade Trophy how can the fans help the club make up the financial shortfall? Ask them! Donations? Extra purchases from the club shop? Ask the question and I am sure there would be some decent ideas.

This is just an example but the overall point I am trying to make is about fan engagement. I don't think GTFC has ever valued the views of fans. If the supporter base believes they have a say, believes their views count, then they will feel a hell of a lot better about their club than they currently do that's for sure.

This engagement and feeling of being part of the club will have huge financial benefits to the club, much larger than any bribe to enter the Checkatrade Trophy!

If the Trust can help facilitate a new era of openness and engagement then this survey will be extremely worthwhile

Good to see you posting again BIGChris and some good points in there, without a shadow of doubt the checkatrade has caused fans to be upset but it is the boards reaction to the fans response which has driven the wedge and further faux pas from the board driving that wedge even further.

Quoted from BIGChris

Re Trust Questionnaire

The Trust should be praised for trying to engage with not just their members but all fans.

I think I am right in saying that the survey has come about, at least in part, by the supporters feeling of dissatisfaction with the football clubs handling of several events of late. This may include Checkatrade Trophy, Stevenage and bragate, The fans forum and general PR disasters along with the question of ownership and the Trusts payment to the club for its seat on the board. This list isn't meant to be exhaustive but it's a start.

Personally it isn't the cost of the seat on the board more the question of whether the fans get 'value' for that payment. Currently I don't believe we do.

I don't believe the rank and file get value from the seat on the board. We do not receive much by way of updates ( I appreciate there are some things that cannot, or should not, be made public) when my opinion is the boardroom seat should have brought about fan engagement and empowerment. Both the club and the Trust have missed a huge opportunity here.
I don't mean the fans been told or lectured, more the opportunity to make the fans feel involved and being consulted.
This is vital if the relationship between the fans and club has any chance of reconciliation. It is currently at an all time low from which it may never recover.

I'd like to see the Trust, on behalf of everyone at the club, genuinely involve the fans.

For example; if the club where not in the Checkatrade Trophy how can the fans help the club make up the financial shortfall? Ask them! Donations? Extra purchases from the club shop? Ask the question and I am sure there would be some decent ideas.

This is just an example but the overall point I am trying to make is about fan engagement. I don't think GTFC has ever valued the views of fans. If the supporter base believes they have a say, believes their views count, then they will feel a hell of a lot better about their club than they currently do that's for sure.

This engagement and feeling of being part of the club will have huge financial benefits to the club, much larger than any bribe to enter the Checkatrade Trophy!

If the Trust can help facilitate a new era of openness and engagement then this survey will be extremely worthwhile

Very good and sensible post BC but I fear that the board, and I don't mean just JF, have burned far too many bridges and a fundamental change is required to re-connect GTFC with the fans.

Very good post Chris. I am personally vehemently opposed to the Chuckaway Trophy and if the club had voted against it, i would have had no trouble donating the ticket money to them, whilst still staying away. The format change would still have come about whether we voted for or against, as enough other teams were for it to be passed. We could then have taken part, took the money on offer but had a clear conscience in doing so and had a lot more respect from the fans. Unfortunately, they completely misread the fans again and said it was a 'vocal minority' and they were wrong. So what do they do? Blame the 'vocal minority' for bullying fans into not attending. They really don't seem to understand the average fan do they?

The many other examples you give just go to re-iterate how completely out of touch they are with the fan base.

Done. Took lifetime membership a few weeks ago thinking there might be a basic welcome/ response/ contact point beyond social media. Don't expect masonic handshakes etc. but it would be nice to know who fellow members are.
Big Chris speaks for many I think. Good ideas expressed with the appropriate level of frustration.

Oh Chris don't come back on the fishy and post something as honest, true and to the point as that please it just reiterates my thoughts on needing someone like yourself to spearhead a fans take over or at least, like you say a way of fans being more involved.
Welcome back though, miss your input on here.

Quoted from Croxton

Done. Took lifetime membership a few weeks ago thinking there might be a basic welcome/ response/ contact point beyond social media. Don't expect masonic handshakes etc. but it would be nice to know who fellow members are.
Big Chris speaks for many I think. Good ideas expressed with the appropriate level of frustration.

Recurrring theme I’m afraid. After I joined I’ve contacted the trust by email and fb message and had no reply. The trust is a great idea and I will keep renewing my membership but when they take the supporters cash and then ignore them.... well! It sounds familiar doesn’t it?
I know the trust work hard on a voluntary basis and they should be commended for that. Operation Promotion showed how good we can be with the fans involvement.

Hi - when did you email (and where?) and same via Fb. As far as I can see there aren’t any outstanding messages on the latter in months.

Quoted from bax

Hi - when did you email (and where?) and same via Fb. As far as I can see there aren’t any outstanding messages on the latter in months.

Bax, please be aware, I’m not having a dig just highlighting a possible problem. I sent fb message on 1st. December. I got an automated reply straight away saying thanks for messaging we try to be responsive we’ll get back to you soon.

Didn’t take it as a dig I was trying to help!

If the club had had the balls to refuse to compete in the checkatrade trophy I’m pretty sure other clubs would’ve followed suit and the trophy would’ve had to return to its original form due to the negative publicity surrounding it .

It makes me sick that the way L1+2 owners sucked the c.ock of that Hervey so he could try and further his career by kissing the prem leagues ars.e

Or maybe I’m being very naive .

The Trophy would go ahead with or without Grimsby Town Football Club and I don't think any other club would bow to fans pressure either.

Clubs will not want to miss out on money. Finances at this level are largely like rocking horse manure as it is. Without a decent alternative we have what we have. (I'm not a fan of the current format either, I'm just being realistic)

Move the County Cup to 'in season' get a sponsor and go from there?

A rogue competition?

Maybe not valid alternatives but no club in their right mind would miss out on money.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

The Trophy would go ahead with or without Grimsby Town Football Club and I don't think any other club would bow to fans pressure either.

Clubs will not want to miss out on money. Finances at this level are largely like rocking horse manure as it is. Without a decent alternative we have what we have. (I'm not a fan of the current format either, I'm just being realistic)

Move the County Cup to 'in season' get a sponsor and go from there?

A rogue competition?

Maybe not valid alternatives but no club in their right mind would miss out on money.

They just had to back the fans and voice their opposition to it. I also think the fans would have raised money to cover the losses and attendances would've held up better in other competitions if the fans felt the club had backed them. All they had to do was vote against it. It probably still would've gone through, but at least we'd have a bit of dignity and respect. Instead they voted for it and called the fans bullies  

Absolutely they would if they were looking at the long term potential damage to the club and the game. It's an insult for Grimsby Town's first team to play against youth teams.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

The Trophy would go ahead with or without Grimsby Town Football Club and I don't think any other club would bow to fans pressure either.

Clubs will not want to miss out on money. Finances at this level are largely like rocking horse manure as it is. Without a decent alternative we have what we have. (I'm not a fan of the current format either, I'm just being realistic)

Move the County Cup to 'in season' get a sponsor and go from there?

A rogue competition?

Maybe not valid alternatives but no club in their right mind would miss out on money.

Agree that money is vital but as suggested above we could have turned down the cash from the Checkatrade ( we would have been in it anyway) and MADE far more money by the fans being united and feeling they had a voice.
I doubt we would have had anything like the them and us situation we have now ( and for the foreseeable) which will cost the clubs thousands every week.

Shortsightedness by the club board in my opinion

Quoted from headingly_mariner

They just had to back the fans and voice their opposition to it. I also think the fans would have raised money to cover the losses and attendances would've held up better in other competitions if the fans felt the club had backed them. All they had to do was vote against it. It probably still would've gone through, but at least we'd have a bit of dignity and respect. Instead they voted for it and called the fans bullies  

Absolutely they would if they were looking at the long term potential damage to the club and the game. It's an insult for Grimsby Town's first team to play against youth teams.

Spot on HM. Post of the week.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

If the club had had the balls to refuse to compete in the checkatrade trophy I’m pretty sure other clubs would’ve followed suit and the trophy would’ve had to return to its original form due to the negative publicity surrounding it .

It makes me sick that the way L1+2 owners sucked the c.ock of that Hervey so he could try and further his career by kissing the prem leagues ars.e

Or maybe I’m being very naive .

Or a bit rude to my oh so tender ears

Quoted from headingly_mariner

. It's an insult for Grimsby Town's first team to play against youth teams.

Gives us an outside chance of winning a game I suppose

Seriously do we HAVE to enter the bloody thing? If Man U can be excused the FA Cup surely little 4th Division Grimsby Town can be excused a shitty little cup like this

As for the income I'm sorry but I just don't believe Creepy Marley's figures at all, staff to pay, floodlighting, travel to away ties et al, its not all he made it out to be.

How many people have completed so far?

Quoted from Ipswin

Gives us an outside chance of winning a game I suppose

Seriously do we HAVE to enter the bloody thing? If Man U can be excused the FA Cup surely little 4th Division Grimsby Town can be excused a shitty little cup like this

As for the income I'm sorry but I just don't believe Creepy Marley's figures at all, staff to pay, floodlighting, travel to away ties et al, its not all he made it out to be.

How was John on Saturday Swin?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

How was John on Saturday Swin?

Hiding mate - I didn't see him (or his £80000 motor or his two heavy looking minders)

Mind you it was cold and pissing down and I couldn't wait in the warm inside the posh twits entrance this year as my mate who got me in there last season has sadly died and I had to go in the away end with the dossers

I'll PM him later with my questions

Quoted from Ipswin

Hiding mate - I didn't see him (or his £80000 motor or his two heavy looking minders)

Mind you it was cold and pissing down and I couldn't wait in the warm inside the posh twits entrance this year as my mate who got me in there last season has sadly died and I had to go in the away end with the dossers

I'll PM him later with my questions

BUT

You were told never never ever contact him again mate  

Quoted from grimsby pete

BUT

You were told never never ever contact him again mate  

If he hides and avoids me I have no other route Pete. Surely he will want to engage with a fellow shareholder (however vile) after all according to Stephen 'shut up' Marley FUCCA (ret'd) wasn't the alleged take over bid by the Americans turned down to protect supporter shareholders

Will the Trust release the more relevant points / comments / complaints / praise gathered in the survey to its members and more importantly will the club / board-critical points made in the survey be passed to Fenty.

He'll ignore them anyway but it will be the thoughts of a wider fanbase rather than just the Fishy telling him he's a loser

Quoted from Ipswin

Will the Trust release the more relevant points / comments / complaints / praise gathered in the survey to its members and more importantly will the club / board-critical points made in the survey be passed to Fenty.

He'll ignore them anyway but it will be the thoughts of a wider fanbase rather than just the Fishy telling him he's a loser

Yes a summary of the results will be made public and passed on to the club.

Will the Trust request follow up meetings with the club to discuss what action if any they will take in response?

Quoted from Ipswin

Will the Trust release the more relevant points / comments / complaints / praise gathered in the survey to its members and more importantly will the club / board-critical points made in the survey be passed to Fenty.

He'll ignore them anyway but it will be the thoughts of a wider fanbase rather than just the Fishy telling him he's a loser

Well, according to the poll I put up, the Fishy Five has become the Fishy 94.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Well, according to the poll I put up, the Fishy Five has become the Fishy 94.

I expect the other 89 have been bullied into it.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Will the Trust request follow up meetings with the club to discuss what action if any they will take in response?

We already have regular meetings with the club so it can quite easily be accommodated into that cycle. Sad person that I am I waded through all five hundred and odd completed surveys that we'd received by last night and the first thing that struck me (although didn't really surprise me) was the massive breadth of opinion about what the way forward is-particularly in relation to the "Name three things the Trust should do" question. By any standards 500 plus is a decent return on a survey
Although survey monkey does collate figures for us we still have to reach those that haven't wanted to/been able to access it via Survey Monkey. Their views have equal importance and to this end we will be supplying hard copies in all the bars before tomorrow's game with handy pens to enable completion whilst enjoying  pre-match pint(s) Most of you have done your bit by completing on-line but if you know of any Town fans who would want to complete a "hard" copy please let them know.
This bit is just my personal view but I'd expect collation of the results followed by analysis to see whether there are any points we can clear quickly by carrying out our own actions (e.g. putting more stuff out there via e-mail/social media as has been requested). After that we need to consider whether we need to go to an all members vote on any of the propositions-at which point ALL Trust Members will have to be given the opportunity to cast a vote.

Quoted from barralad

We already have regular meetings with the club so it can quite easily be accommodated into that cycle. Sad person that I am I waded through all five hundred and odd completed surveys that we'd received by last night and the first thing that struck me (although didn't really surprise me) was the massive breadth of opinion about what the way forward is-particularly in relation to the "Name three things the Trust should do" question. By any standards 500 plus is a decent return on a survey
Although survey monkey does collate figures for us we still have to reach those that haven't wanted to/been able to access it via Survey Monkey. Their views have equal importance and to this end we will be supplying hard copies in all the bars before tomorrow's game with handy pens to enable completion whilst enjoying  pre-match pint(s) Most of you have done your bit by completing on-line but if you know of any Town fans who would want to complete a "hard" copy please let them know.
This bit is just my personal view but I'd expect collation of the results followed by analysis to see whether there are any points we can clear quickly by carrying out our own actions (e.g. putting more stuff out there via e-mail/social media as has been requested). After that we need to consider whether we need to go to an all members vote on any of the propositions-at which point ALL Trust Members will have to be given the opportunity to cast a vote.

Thanks Barra. You have my respect for wading through 500 returns! I guess that's the love of the club/game that you mentioned re: non-League clubs in the other thread.

Must get around to responding myself tomorrow. Been waiting for a time when I can have a proper think about it