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WOZOFGRIMSBY
January 8, 2018, 2:58pm

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Good for them but Newport is not Grimsby. Last January we sold Bogle for a small fortune and now where are we?

Football doesn’t work like that. If Newport get a decent draw in the next round tonight, that might give them a financial boost but so far they won’t have made a lot of cup cash. The problems for fan ownership don’t happen  when things are going well but when they are struggling on the field and it becomes very hard to enthuse the not so faithful to put their hands in their pockets. That’s the same position we are in.



I'd say that the difference is they have a manager with some greater level of ability in distinguishing a decent player. Why we were never in for podge baffles me still


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I'd say that the difference is they have a manager with some greater level of ability in distinguishing a decent player. Why we were never in for podge baffles me still


There will be fun and games if he scores the winner on Saturday.  
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The only reason all the crap that is coming out at the moment is because of the crap being served up on the pitch. A change in management and an improvement in the playing side of things and it will all be forgotten.  

The only stumbling block is getting the RIGHT management team in place given who and where we are.


Well obviously no-one would want to get rid of this board if they were doing a good job. The whole point is that they aren't!

After 15 years of Fenty's best efforts the side produces a performance against Morecambe which had most Fishy posters in utter despair.
15 years is a long time, certainly long enough for a fair assessment of his capabilities as chairman/non-chairman.

So the first thing to point out is that his record of 'getting the RIGHT management team in place' is pretty abysmal.
We need more football wisdom in the boardroom; huge egos and yes-men are an excellent recipe for corporate disaster.
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Good for them but Newport is not Grimsby. Last January we sold Bogle for a small fortune and now where are we?

Football doesn’t work like that. If Newport get a decent draw in the next round tonight, that might give them a financial boost but so far they won’t have made a lot of cup cash. The problems for fan ownership don’t happen  when things are going well but when they are struggling on the field and it becomes very hard to enthuse the not so faithful to put their hands in their pockets. That’s the same position we are in.



In terms of getting through to the 4th round they have likely had around £100,000 in prize money and a similar amount if not more in additional gate receipts and live TV money.

Whereas we earned diddly squat.  
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Fan-ownership is not all as it seems, only so much as fans you can give continually on a monthly basis, I can only afford £200 per month for Darlington. Whereas others cannot anything.

Clubs will always need an investor on the side sticking X amount in the club. There’s not a chance whatsoever clubs can survive with just fans funding.

Exeter managed it due to the FA cup games against the big clubs.
Wimbledon managed it due to selling a ground they effectively stole from Kingstonian.
We are struggling because we have a shitty ground at moment that we’ve funded ourselves and can’t win a cup game to save our lives lol.

If you ever go down this route, it’s a long hard road and you just can’t stop giving money to the club if you are frustrated at teams performance. The club would always be reliant on your incomings to help run it on a day to day basis.


That’s simply a lie about Wimbledon stealing Kingsmeadow Andy. They bought the lease from the guys who owned Kingstonian at the time. The guys that owned it at the time had bought the Ks for a quid and undertook to clear the debts, and made millions from the sale of the lease.

As sad as it is for the Ks, it wasn’t theft and if anyone is culpable of any immorality it’s the former owners. Also I don’t recall there being much opposition from Ks fans when the debt was run up by the previous regime through giving Chappel a bigger playing budget than they could hope to sustain. That’s why I think we should avoid the sugar daddy model of club ownership that many on this board are supporting.


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Best post on this thread by a country mile...


In your opinion. I'll state again, I admire the Trust greatly but they have no power and pay for a meaningless seat on the board. Marley, Day & Chapman will vote Fenty's way all day & every day - they have no money in the club & one in particular treats the fans with the same disdain as Fenty does.

You can grow the trust all you like but without a position of power & influence, GTFC will continue in the same, time-honoured Fenty way.
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In your opinion. I'll state again, I admire the Trust greatly but they have no power and pay for a meaningless seat on the board. Marley, Day & Chapman will vote Fenty's way all day & every day - they have no money in the club & one in particular treats the fans with the same disdain as Fenty does.

You can grow the trust all you like but without a position of power & influence, GTFC will continue in the same, time-honoured Fenty way.

Of course it's my opinion just as the stuff you keep repeating is yours. I don't know what you base your opinion on facts-wise and seeing as I don't have records of votes made I'm not sure how you can say with such certainty the way individual board members voted on any given issue. Under your argument the only way The Trust would have any influence at all would be to have a majority on the Board of GTFC. We don't deserve that level of representation and unless the club becomes fan owned which is extremely unlikely in the short or even medium term then it isn't going to happen. You say you admire the Trust but then criticise that what it has worked hard to achieve is meaningless. I speak to people weekly who are heavily involved in football trusts across the country and there are a lot who would kill for the profile we have with our arrangement. You should try ap0lying some balance to your view. Everything isn't as black as you paint it...


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Great response  Ian. UTM


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Of course it's my opinion just as the stuff you keep repeating is yours. I don't know what you base your opinion on facts-wise and seeing as I don't have records of votes made I'm not sure how you can say with such certainty the way individual board members voted on any given issue. Under your argument the only way The Trust would have any influence at all would be to have a majority on the Board of GTFC. We don't deserve that level of representation and unless the club becomes fan owned which is extremely unlikely in the short or even medium term then it isn't going to happen. You say you admire the Trust but then criticise that what it has worked hard to achieve is meaningless. I speak to people weekly who are heavily involved in football trusts across the country and there are a lot who would kill for the profile we have with our arrangement. You should try ap0lying some balance to your view. Everything isn't as black as you paint it...


I stated that the seat on the board is meaningless, nothing else.
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Of course it's my opinion just as the stuff you keep repeating is yours. I don't know what you base your opinion on facts-wise and seeing as I don't have records of votes made I'm not sure how you can say with such certainty the way individual board members voted on any given issue. Under your argument the only way The Trust would have any influence at all would be to have a majority on the Board of GTFC. We don't deserve that level of representation and unless the club becomes fan owned which is extremely unlikely in the short or even medium term then it isn't going to happen. You say you admire the Trust but then criticise that what it has worked hard to achieve is meaningless. I speak to people weekly who are heavily involved in football trusts across the country and there are a lot who would kill for the profile we have with our arrangement. You should try ap0lying some balance to your view. Everything isn't as black as you paint it...


I've just listened to Humberside Sports Talk, I didn't hear one comment in support of JF or RS. My view is a lot more balanced than many and things are far more black than they are white. UTM
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