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We don’t pay as much as other clubs do locally. Who would want to come and play for such a dysfunctional club? I’m a contractor myself and in my industry (mostly aviation but I’m currently working in rail) and if you know someone who has worked somewhere before you drop them a message to find out what it’s like. Even if it’s a fortnight or months contract it can help make a decision. There are some companies that really struggle to attract people because they are such awful places to work.
I can’t see that being any different for footballers. In the last two seasons in the Conference I think that the fans made a huge difference to this. There has been understandable fan apathy creeping in lately with the poor football on offer and the PR disasters of the last few months.
Whilst I appreciate we do have some lovely areas around here I’m not sure how bothered young single lads from outside town are about them - speaking as a lad in his 20s who has spent the majority of the last ten years working all over the country. I do wonder where Town meet new players or staff in order to attract them to the club though. If we do meetings at BP are we hoping they don’t turn around before they get to Aldi on Cleethorpe Road?
It was a much different world in football when the players came here and settled.
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So do I to be honest but it's feeling like it's becoming a fact.
Yes it's more expensive to live in London but salaries reflect that even in football, To work in London you don't have to live there from where I live it's 25 mins to Kings Cross on the train.
Yes we can produce talent but we can't recruit a manager to be big enough to trust in it,
We are well within reach of Leeds, Hull and Sheffield but so are numerous other places some more appealing some just as run down.
How do Scunny attract players? A charismatic manager, League 1 football and possibly a chance of promotion, better salaries I assume and it's 20 odd miles closer to some of the places you describe than Grimsby is.
Scummy are paying some serious money. Lad left Bradford city and got a 50% increase. Funded by multimillionaire owner.
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Alan Buckley attracted the players, starting in the old Division 4 and upwards. George Kerr, Dave Booth, Brian Laws...how did they manage it? Could they, along with a stable and helpful board have actually sold the club to these players? We know the PR at the club currently is beyond terrible, it can't be helping with some areas of recruitment. As I said in a previous post, any player worth their salt will do their homework on a club, if they were to do a search and find that Fans Forum video on Youtube what would their reaction be? It's the same problems being brought up, and the answer is the same..a new setup needed; root and branch, Manager and Board.
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So do I to be honest but it's feeling like it's becoming a fact.
Yes it's more expensive to live in London but salaries reflect that even in football, To work in London you don't have to live there from where I live it's 25 mins to Kings Cross on the train.
Yes we can produce talent but we can't recruit a manager to be big enough to trust in it,
We are well within reach of Leeds, Hull and Sheffield but so are numerous other places some more appealing some just as run down.
How do Scunny attract players? A charismatic manager, League 1 football and possibly a chance of promotion, better salaries I assume and it's 20 odd miles closer to some of the places you describe than Grimsby is.
Look at the players we signed when we were in the conference. We had no problem getting players like Bogle, Hearn, Disley, Nolan, Nsiala, Amond and others to sign for us in a lower league. It's just an excuse for being shite and for being run poorly. Under Hurst we took promising players from leagues below and improved the players that were brought in. We've gone back to signing journeymen on free transfers.
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Alan Buckley attracted the players, starting in the old Division 4 and upwards. George Kerr, Dave Booth, Brian Laws...how did they manage it? Could they, along with a stable and helpful board have actually sold the club to these players? We know the PR at the club currently is beyond terrible, it can't be helping with some areas of recruitment. As I said in a previous post, any player worth their salt will do their homework on a club, if they were to do a search and find that Fans Forum video on Youtube what would their reaction be? It's the same problems being brought up, and the answer is the same..a new setup needed; root and branch, Manager and Board.
Please when I say this I am not trying to patronize you but times have changed as have players salaries, agents fees, players expectations, Bosman etc...
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Look at the players we signed when we were in the conference. We had no problem getting players like Bogle, Hearn, Disley, Nolan, Nsiala, Amond and others to sign for us in a lower league. It's just an excuse for being shite and for being run poorly. Under Hurst we took promising players from leagues below and improved the players that were brought in. We've gone back to signing journeymen on free transfers.
We where a big fish in a small pond in the conference, Scott Brown went on record saying one of the reasons he came to GTFC was that we where better payers. Agree with the Hurst bit but in non league we signed just as many journeyman and got quite a few wrong. What we don't know about the non league days is the players that would not come to GTFC for whatever reason, Hurst actually set his sights higher than some of the lads you listed above but couldn't persuade them. As an isolated example though I loathe the cheating bar steward it's a fact that Hurst went in for Akinde before he went to Barnet where his goals helped get them up but he wouldn't come as he wanted to be closer to London which is where his roots where.
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We where a big fish in a small pond in the conference, Scott Brown went on record saying one of the reasons he came to GTFC was that we where better payers. Agree with the Hurst bit but in non league we signed just as many journeyman and got quite a few wrong.
What we don't know about the non league days is the players that would not come to GTFC for whatever reason, Hurst actually set his sights higher than some of the lads you listed above but couldn't persuade them. As an isolated example though I loathe the cheating bar steward it's a fact that Hurst went in for Akinde before he went to Barnet where his goals helped get them up but he wouldn't come as he wanted to be closer to London which is where his roots where.
We can look at specific instances were we have lost out on a player, but there are plenty of players who are in the area or would move. Of course some players aren't a success, but we signed enough quality to get out of that league and many of the players are now playing higher up. There are negatives to our location, but it's a very minor issue that's trotted out to excuse our failure.
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You need investment...or at least a wealthy benefactor to guarantee/underwrite any debts, like JF does. Aiming to be self sustainable should be the way for every club but unfortunately that doesnt necessarily bring success. Last season we had increased gates and a big sale of a player to make us profitable...that is not the norm....remove the Omar money and we were pretty much even....but that was on the back of returning to the league and increased gates that came with it.
Bills generally rise so even just the utility bills for BP, Cheapside etc year on year eat into your budget and if you are stagnant on the pitch your income doesnt grow that much.
Base a budget on what would be your expected income....you would have to budget conservatively if you didnt have a wealthy backer(s) to avoid running up debt....so lets say an average of 3500 on the home gate......start the season poorly and drop below that average figure as a result then you are in trouble straight away...then come January and you need new players where does the money come from ? You are already down on projected income so where do you go ?
Yes it could go the other way but your initial conservative budget would have to be spent very wisely in order to recruit a decent squad to get you off to a good start. I think we all think we could have built a more balanced, smaller and better quality squad than the one we currently have but its not that simple is it...so many factors that we couldnt even dream of ,as unless you "are in the game" you just dont know the nitty grtty of it.
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Please when I say this I am not trying to patronize you but times have changed as have players salaries, agents fees, players expectations, Bosman etc...
Consider me patronised. Why exactly have Accrington currently got a better handle on players salaries, agents fees, players expectations, Bosman etc in these 'changed times' than us? Why have Burton Albion moved up the leagues so well recently, how are they dealing so well with players salaries, agents fees, players expectations, Bosman etc so much better than us? How have Scunny managed to get successive Chairmen to both throw money at the club AND deal with players salaries, agents fees, players expectations, Bosman etc and move upwards while ours throws millions at our club and takes us out of the League? Get a manager and board with vision in and the players will sign.I don't see the changing times as being the crippling factors that keep us in the basement division, a properly run board will deal with that, I see the managerial appointments of Rodger, Law, Newell and Woods as the slow but sure downfall of this club to where we are today. I look at the board and the management team and I see a bunch of fraudulent chancers, don't give them any more excuses like agent fees and Bosman for their monumental member-ups.
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You need investment...or at least a wealthy benefactor to guarantee/underwrite any debts, like JF does. Aiming to be self sustainable should be the way for every club but unfortunately that doesnt necessarily bring success. Last season we had increased gates and a big sale of a player to make us profitable...that is not the norm....remove the Omar money and we were pretty much even....but that was on the back of returning to the league and increased gates that came with it.
Bills generally rise so even just the utility bills for BP, Cheapside etc year on year eat into your budget and if you are stagnant on the pitch your income doesnt grow that much.
Base a budget on what would be your expected income....you would have to budget conservatively if you didnt have a wealthy backer(s) to avoid running up debt....so lets say an average of 3500 on the home gate......start the season poorly and drop below that average figure as a result then you are in trouble straight away...then come January and you need new players where does the money come from ? You are already down on projected income so where do you go ?
Yes it could go the other way but your initial conservative budget would have to be spent very wisely in order to recruit a decent squad to get you off to a good start. I think we all think we could have built a more balanced, smaller and better quality squad than the one we currently have but its not that simple is it...so many factors that we couldnt even dream of ,as unless you "are in the game" you just dont know the nitty grtty of it.
Having a warchest as you suggest is entirely possible without a JF character on board. Other clubs are run without a wealthy benefactor. A better regime in charge wouldn't have alienated the fanbase so your budget based on 3500 could easily have been one based on 4-5000. I think with more sense of ownership there'd be more patience with a run of bad results. All genuinely in it together would make a massive difference.
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