The benign debt

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Gosh you have to dispair, why are people starting to talk this club down.

Just because one guy leant against a snooker table and said we overachieved before he took it on does not mean we have not been  (considerably) underachieving for the last 15 years.  Talk about trying to shape your place in history. I'd equate the JF years with what I'd call the lost decades.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I'm not talking the club down - just the way it's been run.

I'm proud to be a Mariner - always will be.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Can we ever have “fan ownership” at GTFC? I doubt it as we can’t even sing the same songs at the same time at some games

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I'm going to make an assumption here so apologies in advance if I assume wrong. I've picked on your post, but I've also seen this point raised across Fishy, Fb and Twitter, ie, "the fans can't agree how can they run a club?"  When you talk about not being able to sing the same songs at the same time, I read that as fans are not in agreement.  EVERY single town fan is united by one simple goal which is to be successful, where the differences arise is "what is success?" and "How do we achieve it? I want to achieve A, by doing B and C, and you want to achieve X by doing Y and Z. Who's right and who's wrong? irrelevant really. If the whole of the board was made up of people who wanted to achieve ABC, then the club would do this, whether it was good for the club or not. If you were also on the board, you could say why this was a bad idea and we might come to an agreement that D,E,F was the correct route and best for the club.  So you need people with differing opinions who are not just going to be yes men, which I believe we've currently got.

Just on the Fishy, there are some successful people who know how to run businesses, there'll be experts in  PR, Marketing, etc, it doesn't matter, whether they can agree on the little things but it could and can work.

I hope this makes sense.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

At any point did I use the word “never”? belief only gets you so far in football these days I’m afraid.

History actually counts for what you have achieved that’s why it’s termed as history.

Can history repeat itself in football terms? Yes definitely it does most seasons with a handful of wealthy clubs and some seasons with the less wealthy but rarely with the poorest.

Other than history nobody has yet to answer why we can consider ourselves “lower half of the championship top of league 1” level. I’d love us to be there but we’re not.

Before you come back with “what your saying is” as it’s a very tiresome phrase  I’ll be clear on what I’m saying whether people like it or not,

Do I like the current apathy? No

Do I want rid of the board? Nothing personal but if they persist in the way they operate which is delivering apathy yes?

Do I want us to play better football and win more? Yes

Do I believe we can hound Fenty out ? No

Can we ever have “fan ownership” at GTFC? I doubt it as we can’t even sing the same songs at the same time at some games

Do I believe endless threads about the same topics will support the point above? No, but those who want to be engratiated by their peer groups by posting stuff that’s “down with the kids” knock yourselves out, post what you like it’s a free country and we all need to respect that

Do I think the current non chairman has been the reason for our decline? Not completely but for all the good he’s done he’s done many things to self harm the club

Do I want rid of Slade - No but I am not convinced by him or Wilco

Do I think Slade has bought badly? I’m not sure what he had at his disposal but currently it’s definitely more duffers than diamonds

Do I think Osborne is playing a game to get a move ? I suspect so but hope I’m wrong

Do I think Jones is doing the same ? No

Do I think Hurst was decent and Bignot mental? Yes

Do we need to be lucky in the window? Definitely!

Do I think the club could move forward to better things? Yes of course but sadly only with more money being pumped in a change of ideas, complete unity, better players and a manager who is not just a safe pair of hands and a new stadium that’s not located on fantasy island!

I think that’s my current position on most of the endless tired and over worked topics a small amount of posters on here continually seem to drag out when they are bored with watching Jeremy Kyle and Hones Under The Hammer in a morning

Clear enough for you?

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

I'm going to make an assumption here so apologies in advance if I assume wrong. I've picked on your post, but I've also seen this point raised across Fishy, Fb and Twitter, ie, "the fans can't agree how can they run a club?"  When you talk about not being able to sing the same songs at the same time, I read that as fans are not in agreement.  EVERY single town fan is united by one simple goal which is to be successful, where the differences arise is "what is success?" and "How do we achieve it? I want to achieve A, by doing B and C, and you want to achieve X by doing Y and Z. Who's right and who's wrong? irrelevant really. If the whole of the board was made up of people who wanted to achieve ABC, then the club would do this, whether it was good for the club or not. If you were also on the board, you could say why this was a bad idea and we might come to an agreement that D,E,F was the correct route and best for the club.  So you need people with differing opinions who are not just going to be yes men, which I believe we've currently got.

Just on the Fishy, there are some successful people who know how to run businesses, there'll be experts in  PR, Marketing, etc, it doesn't matter, whether they can agree on the little things but it could and can work.

I hope this makes sense.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I rarely watch TV, work all day and on the fishy all night  , if you are tired of endless and over worked topics, do what anyone with a bit of grey matter would do and don't read them, titles often give awatitles often give away the topicy the topic or can't you help yourself replying, being all pro JF, to your post I don't need to go on a silly rant, just one word Scunthorpe.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Where am I being “all pro JF” ?

“titles often give away the topic” not the first time you’ve used that line recently with a poster who doesn’t align with your views.

I’ll assume another response where you put words in someone’s mouth are attach a stupid picture.