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December 17, 2017, 10:30am
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Quoted from promotion plaice


Sorry for being a bit thick but I don't get it ?



It’s been removed I think
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It’s been removed I think


I had a cousin who was twice removed.



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I think expressing views is fine and that’s what sites like this are for. Fantasies about millionaires coming in, share issues and fan ownership are waring a bit thin TBH. Lots of posts about JF and the boys making way but people need to wake up to the fact that their is nobody waiting to take over.


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December 17, 2017, 11:38am

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Just to be clear this thread spawned from a rambling rather confrontational thread and has been split from its parent as it deserves its own topic. I haven't made it very clear, sorry for the confusion, I'll try better next time. The "split" functionality available to mods is not easy to use and does not see daylight much.

The Fishy is a place for everyone to express their views and respect those of others. That hasn't always been happening. When it was written the Fishy was aimed at informing people about what was happening at GTFC. It was pitched at people who might not spend all their life absorbing every available fact about the club but wanted to check out team news, gossip about new signings, find out which pub people were meeting at, read views on recent games and performances, and exchange banter with opposing fans. That hasn't changed. Yes, of course, there will be occasions when the manager and the board were questioned, as at any club, usually after a poor run of results. Someone coming to look for team news and seeing one thread about the game and six about removing the board is going to be confused at best and will probably go elsewhere.

It's not a problem having anti-board threads but they need to be clearly labelled as such so it doesn't conflict with the normal function of the forum, and doesn't drown it out. The exceptions are occasions like the fans forum when clearly there is something specific to talk about.


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December 17, 2017, 11:46am

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Just to be clear this thread spawned from a rambling thread and has been split from its parent as it deserves its own topic. I haven't made it very clear, sorry for the confusion, I'll try better next time.

The Fishy is a place for everyone to express their views and respect those of others, That hasn't always been happening. When it was written the Fishy was aimed at informing people about what was happening at GTFC. It was pitched at people who might not spend all their life absorbing every available fact about the club, but wanted to check out team news, gossip about new signings, find out which pub people were meeting at, read views on recent games and performances, and exchange banter with opposing fans. That hasn't changed. Yes, of course, there will be occasions when the manager and the board were questioned, as at any club, usually after a poor run of results. Someone coming to look for team news and seeing one thread about the game and six about removing the board is going to be confused at best and will probably go elsewhere.

It's not a problem having anti-board threads but they need to be clearly labelled as such so it doesn't conflict with the normal function of the forum, and doesn't drown it out. The exceptions are occasions like the fans forum when clearly there is something specific to talk about.



I agree, Rob. There have been many occasions when a thread has been started on one particular topic and then it quickly changes to an anti JF/Board theme with the usual insults about those who don't share those views.


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I think expressing views is fine and that’s what sites like this are for. Fantasies about millionaires coming in, share issues and fan ownership are waring a bit thin TBH. Lots of posts about JF and the boys making way but people need to wake up to the fact that their is nobody waiting to take over.


So because you think the subject's wearing thin and that it's not very likely to happen, then it shouldn't be discussed? Even though this is a burning issue, in a lot of fans' minds?

If it's not your cup of tea then just stay away from those threads and use other threads to get your post count up.

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I agree, Rob. There have been many occasions when a thread has been started on one particular topic and then it quickly changes to an anti JF/Board theme with the usual insults about those who don't share those views.


Doesn't that just go to show that you can't quash dissent? If Rob closes a thread attacking the board it'll just rear its head somewhere else. Look at the number of times that Rob has tried to draw a line under a subject only for it to be sparked into new life sometimes by the very act of trying to close a subject off.

You either have to accept it'll happen, or have a completely moderated board where every post has to be approved by a moderator before it's published.

Eventually the threads which are critical trail off naturally unless someone in authority does something to spark it off again. Look at last week. It went very quiet until John Fenty made the decision about the SLO and came on here trying to defend it.


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So because you think the subject's wearing thin and that it's not very likely to happen, then it shouldn't be discussed? Even though this is a burning issue, in a lot of fans' minds?

If it's not your cup of tea then just stay away from those threads and use other threads to get your post count up.



“Post count” What like most of the posters on this thread you mean? This is what is p1ssing people off about The Fishy the attitude of “ you can only post on this thread if you agree” if you disagree your told you are wrong or not to post?

“Just because you don’t like what people say doesn’t mean they’re wrong” so someone once told me.


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Just to be clear this thread spawned from a rambling rather confrontational thread and has been split from its parent as it deserves its own topic. I haven't made it very clear, sorry for the confusion, I'll try better next time. The "split" functionality available to mods is not easy to use and does not see daylight much.

The Fishy is a place for everyone to express their views and respect those of others. That hasn't always been happening. When it was written the Fishy was aimed at informing people about what was happening at GTFC. It was pitched at people who might not spend all their life absorbing every available fact about the club but wanted to check out team news, gossip about new signings, find out which pub people were meeting at, read views on recent games and performances, and exchange banter with opposing fans. That hasn't changed. Yes, of course, there will be occasions when the manager and the board were questioned, as at any club, usually after a poor run of results. Someone coming to look for team news and seeing one thread about the game and six about removing the board is going to be confused at best and will probably go elsewhere.

It's not a problem having anti-board threads but they need to be clearly labelled as such so it doesn't conflict with the normal function of the forum, and doesn't drown it out. The exceptions are occasions like the fans forum when clearly there is something specific to talk about.


Rob, have you done any analysis of the number of unique visitors when there's a big debate going on here about off-field issues versus when it's quieter on the 'political' front?

The whole question about the purpose(s) of the Fishy is an interesting one. It's so easy to get all of that information these days without having to trawl the net (the T word being off the top of my head the most convenient) you'd have to ask what is unique about the Fishy to make people come here. To my mind it'd be the forum (for all its warts) and the fact that, whilst being moderated, there's a variety of views and comments, but unlike Twitter there's scope for arguments to be developed more fully. It's more like a sometimes raucus, regulars pub where you may not like everyone but it's much preferable to some town centre bar (selling fizzy lager/alcopops) where there's a transient clientele. The debate can be robust sometimes, but it's not like the out-and-out punch ups you sometimes get in the Tweeters Arms. When someone's in trouble the customers rally round one of their own and when the Special Care Baby Unit needs a new incubator the place is a hive of fundraising.

Obviously as landlord you've got to be looking at the big picture and whether the sometimes rowdy behaviour of the regulars puts off other people. On the other hand, you clear the regulars out and you might create another soul-less bar where as soon as the next new thing comes along you're on the way to becoming a new branch of Tesco Express.


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