Relegation

Hartlepool had 22 points after 18 games last season and went down. We have 23. We need a change otherwise we are going back where we came!

Agreed. A real possibility.

If you can't score the best you can hope for is 0 - 0 so yes if we carry on like this we will be relegated.

It is a worry.  I'm concerned Slade's tactics from the 70s are too easily nullified by modern, well-drilled defences and that he's failing to make the best use of talent available to him.

I think we draw enough games not to be relegated, but its going to be bloody close

I should think that Slade must be close to getting the sack. Fenty will be worried about the slide back to NL. He might also see a sacking (even if he appointed him) as taking some pressure off him personally and professionally.

Think the tipping point will be if gates fall below 3,000. Strong possibility Tues night,I as a season ticket holder am not going.

I have just looked at our next 6 fixtures. The way we are playing I think we will lose on Tuesday night to Swindon. draw at Barnet, draw at home to Forest Green, lose at Notts County, lose at Luton and a defeat at home to Mansfield. That is 2 points out of 18 and I aren't convinced about getting anything against Barnet and Forest Green. These are worrying times and yes we are definitely in a relegation battle from here on in.

Slade out now before it’s to late.

Oh fk. Off we won’t get relegated ffs, it takes more than a season to make a team, we gather Hurst 6 years and his football was boring you lot just don’t like sladey because how he left last time

Mate the way we are playing theres a real possibility. I dont hate slade, i just know i am an ST holder bored out his brain and worried that his style is going see us back where we cannot be. Because if it happens again we wont come
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Sack Slade, who comes in ? Please tell me because the decent managers out there have jobs and know not to come to this shithole with Fenty on the board

Can we trust JF to actually pick a suitable manager... I don’t have much hope!

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Oh fk. Off we won’t get relegated ffs, it takes more than a season to make a team, we gather Hurst 6 years and his football was boring you lot just don’t like sladey because how he left last time

We did at least score goals even when we weren't making the play offs under Hurst. Hearn scored more on his own when we finished 11th than the whole team will probably manage this season.

Relegation will be tight, it could go to the last 2/3 games f the season, a I have said earlier let's hope there are 2 team worse than us but, Forest Green are winning, Port Vale have picked up, so it's between us Chesterfield and Barnet.

Quoted from topuphere666

Can we trust JF to actually pick a suitable manager... I don’t have much hope!

Everyone conveniently forgets he "discovered" Hurst and gave him the chance to manage on his own, when he could so easily have shown both of them the door. I admit most of his other appointments have been iffy (RS first time around was the other success), but failure is the norm with football managers and most don't even last 2 seasons.

Looking at the following games left in 2018,

Swindon H
Barnet A
VGR H
Notts C A
Luton A
Mansfield H
Accrington H

I hope I'm wrong but based upon recent weeks I'd be surprised if we tale more than 10 points from the games above, could be in a relegation fight come the next window, then we'll have to rely on the transfer deals of RS.............       

Quoted from friskneymariner

Think the tipping point will be if gates fall below 3,000. Strong possibility Tues night,I as a season ticket holder am not going.

As a season ticket holder you will be counted as attending whether you are or not

Quoted from GrimRob

Everyone conveniently forgets he "discovered" Hurst and gave him the chance to manage on his own, when he could so easily have shown both of them the door. I admit most of his other appointments have been iffy (RS first time around was the other success), but failure is the norm with football managers and most don't even last 2 seasons.

What do you mean he could have 'easily shown both of them the door'
Shouty was out because of something he did so Fenty got a solo Hurst by accident.
Nothing to do with Fentys good judgment.
As far as GTFC are concerned hes never made a good decision.

Quoted from TAGG

What do you mean he could have 'easily shown both of them the door'
Shouty was out because of something he did so Fenty got a solo Hurst by accident.
Nothing to do with Fentys good judgment.
As far as GTFC are concerned hes never made a good decision.

You are so blinded by hatred you have forgotten what happened. RS was basically sacked, although we didn't have to pay him any compensation because it was for gross misconduct. JF at this point had the choice whether to also sack PH, who would have been compensated, or let him carry on on his own. He decided to let PH carry on, which was a judgement call on his part. The decision was much debated on the Fishy at the time, it's all still there I think if you hunt back.

Quoted from Garth

As a season ticket holder you will be counted as attending whether you are or not

I'm not sure that is correct...

Quoted from GrimRob

Everyone conveniently forgets he "discovered" Hurst and gave him the chance to manage on his own, when he could so easily have shown both of them the door. I admit most of his other appointments have been iffy (RS first time around was the other success), but failure is the norm with football managers and most don't even last 2 seasons.

"Discovered" him through necessity. He didn't go out of his way to get him because he'd earmarked him as a potentially good manager. Wasn't he fourth choice or something at the time?

Quoted from GrimRob

Everyone conveniently forgets he "discovered" Hurst and gave him the chance to manage on his own, when he could so easily have shown both of them the door. I admit most of his other appointments have been iffy (RS first time around was the other success), but failure is the norm with football managers and most don't even last 2 seasons.

Arguably the only one he's got right..........and BTW the "2 managers" idea was a male masturbation idea, it never works    

Town 22/1 to get relegated at Bet Victor represents bloody good value as I think we're around one of seven in trouble..

Chesterfield
Morecambe
Barnet
Crawley
Yeovil
Crewe
GTFC

Quoted from GrimRob

You are so blinded by hatred you have forgotten what happened. RS was basically sacked, although we didn't have to pay him any compensation because it was for gross misconduct. JF at this point had the choice whether to also sack PH, who would have been compensated, or let him carry on on his own. He decided to let PH carry on, which was a judgement call on his part. The decision was much debated on the Fishy at the time, it's all still there I think if you hunt back.

What would have been the reason for sacking Hurst at that time???
He was already in situ so it was luck not judgement..
By the way I dont hate him I hate what hes done to the club.

Ive been looking at where we have picked up points
Away wins
Chesterfield 24th
Accrington 3rd
P Vale 19th
Cheltenham 16th
Home wins
Crewe 22nd
Yeovil 17th

Away draws
Morcambe  20th

Home draws
Colchester 12th
Lincoln 10th
Crawley 21st
Cambridge 14th

5 points against top half teams is v worrying with the rest of this years fixtures due, to me this shows we are nowhere near a playoff contender

Officially non-play offs from here on in, the players and staff need to work extra hard and dig in for the rest of the season.  

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Ive been looking at where we have picked up points
Away wins
Chesterfield 24th
Accrington 3rd
P Vale 19th
Cheltenham 16th
Home wins
Crewe 22nd
Yeovil 17th

Away draws
Morcambe  20th

Home draws
Colchester 12th
Lincoln 10th
Crawley 21st
Cambridge 14th

5 points against top half teams is v worrying with the rest of this years fixtures due, to me this shows we are nowhere near a playoff contender

Its taken you all this time to realise that!

Quoted from friskneymariner

Think the tipping point will be if gates fall below 3,000. Strong possibility Tues night,I as a season ticket holder am not going.

Me too, on both counts. I've had enough, and the removal of Slade who I like as a bloke, but despise his football will not be enough. Time for a change, Fenty out.

Getting back into the league should’ve been the start of better times for town but it just feels like it’s been like “oh well we’re back now job done “ . No ambition, doing it on the cheap , shi.t recruitment, shi.t manager .
The tide has totally changed as the loyal fans have had enough. Hand our club over to a new regime mr fenty , accept your money has gone and for the good of GTFC accept your time has come to an end .

Quoted from GrimRob

Hartlepool had 22 points after 18 games last season and went down. We have 23. We need a change otherwise we are going back where we came!

Good to see this post Rob, I can see it, I've seen it all season and I've been vocal about it, occasionally on here but mostly on Twitter and Facebook as I still see the Fishy as at least half run by the club since John had the previous version of the fishy closed down and reinvented under the clubs jurisdiction, with club moderators viewing and deleting at BP HQ.

Same mistakes are being made, same outcome IMO and I will not ever forgive another relegation from the football league. I haven't forgiven the last one either, nor the six years in the abyss and the fortunate escape after finishing 4th. Yet never really, genuinely challenging for the non league title.

Just go JF, go and go soon.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

I think we draw enough games not to be relegated, but its going to be bloody close

Yeah that worked really well for Woods

Rob this aint effin Star Wars! Blinded by hatred? I think Sladey's a top bloke but sadly just another yes man. The problem lies deeper than that so lets start with uprooting the weeds 1st. There was no good judgement on Fenty's part whatsoever with Hurst. Either sack him and compensate or keep him on to save yet more money and then got lucky! Let's face it, we fluked our way up. The pen we got at Braintree are never usually given and we were dead and buried and like someone previously stated, we never challenged for the title. We were top at xmas 1 season but mucked that up. On current form WE ARE GOING DOWN FFS and there is going to be nothing that changes the same old muck week in week out so get off your high horse, get out of Fenty's ar$ehole and get with the programme!
FAO of GETYOURFACTSRIGHT, dont be angry with the way the supporters feel. You are 1 of us and would feel exactly the same way if you were not in your position. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the good things you have done for this club but through no fault of your own it just has not worked out how you had planned so please do the right thing. Decisions you think are right at the time have proved to be wrong but we all make mistakes. Chuck us another 5 mill into the pot for someone else to take over, write your losses off, get back in the stands once again to enjoy various emotions and start to enjoy the beautiful game like you used to UTM

Quoted from Grimbiggs

Its taken you all this time to realise that!

No, I knew this 10 weeks ago see my Slade is cr@p posts since Sept, from the days when saying anything against him led to a barrage of red crossses and insults from the give the team chance to gel, wait till the injured players are back, were only 3/4 points from the playoffs etc. posters I just thought I'd back my argument with facts and figures now he has had a good number of games, although I dont take pleasure in saying I told you so.

Yes relegation is a concern but will sacking the manager really improve things?

Slade's appointment was was not a short term fix, his task was to build a team capable of challenging for promotion and this will take time and therefore require our patience.

I doubt there is another manager out there that can bring immediate success on our budget, whilst playing like Brazil!

I fear changing the manager now will mean relegation will become a real possibility.

For now maybe we should accept this mundane season as a stepping stone to future success.

UTM

Quoted from BackHeelTony

Yes relegation is a concern but will sacking the manager really improve things?

Slade's appointment was was not a short term fix, his task was to build a team capable of challenging for promotion and this will take time and therefore require our patience.

I doubt there is another manager out there that can bring immediate success on our budget, whilst playing like Brazil!

I fear changing the manager now will mean relegation will become a real possibility.

For now maybe we should accept this mundane season as a stepping stone to future success.

UTM

Woods. 2009/10.  

We are in a relegation battle, the sooner we change the better.

We aren't in the position we were when we went down. This team are actually quite well organised and are in games. We are just toothless in front of goal.

Bignot had us shipping loads of goals, we don't really do that anymore. The players are clearly trying. The squad needs a couple of players capable of making the difference in a game, one of these must be a striker.

Could we get relegated? Absolutely, a bad run and continuing to blank would throw is into real trouble.
Are we in the same trouble as we were in 2009? Certainly not, the whole thing was a shambles before Woodsy took over and he couldn't turn the tide.

The trouble is with the way the club is run. Time for change in the boardroom.

Quoted from lobsterpot

Rob this aint effin Star Wars! Blinded by hatred? I think Sladey's a top bloke but sadly just another yes man. The problem lies deeper than that so lets start with uprooting the weeds 1st. There was no good judgement on Fenty's part whatsoever with Hurst. Either sack him and compensate or keep him on to save yet more money and then got lucky! Let's face it, we fluked our way up. The pen we got at Braintree are never usually given and we were dead and buried and like someone previously stated, we never challenged for the title. We were top at xmas 1 season but mucked that up. On current form WE ARE GOING DOWN FFS and there is going to be nothing that changes the same old muck week in week out so get off your high horse, get out of Fenty's ar$ehole and get with the programme!
FAO of GETYOURFACTSRIGHT, dont be angry with the way the supporters feel. You are 1 of us and would feel exactly the same way if you were not in your position. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the good things you have done for this club but through no fault of your own it just has not worked out how you had planned so please do the right thing. Decisions you think are right at the time have proved to be wrong but we all make mistakes. Chuck us another 5 mill into the pot for someone else to take over, write your losses off, get back in the stands once again to enjoy various emotions and start to enjoy the beautiful game like you used to UTM

Or at least the £200K you took back, that would do nicely to get in someone who could put the ball into the back of the sodding net.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

We aren't in the position we were when we went down. This team are actually quite well organised and are in games. We are just toothless in front of goal.

Bignot had us shipping loads of goals, we don't really do that anymore. The players are clearly trying. The squad needs a couple of players capable of making the difference in a game, one of these must be a striker.

Could we get relegated? Absolutely, a bad run and continuing to blank would throw is into real trouble.
Are we in the same trouble as we were in 2009? Certainly not, the whole thing was a shambles before Woodsy took over and he couldn't turn the tide.

The trouble is with the way the club is run. Time for change in the boardroom.

We also scored goalsunder Bignot with 3 scored at Plymouth, Carlisle, Blackpool and Orient. Two of those promoted and Carlisle were I believe top, or close to, when we won there. Accept we scored same number at Chesterfield & Cheltenham but lets be honest this is not looking like something we will do regularly. Our two central midfield players held the same positions for York when they went down and worryingly they have been two of our better players.

If you do not score goals you do not win matches. If we were missing five or six chances every game you would think matters may change but creating one or two meand our conversion rate has to be very high and with Vernon as one of our strikers this just will not happen.

Just cannot see where the improvements will come from unless McAlister and Osbourne return and give us a different dimension from midfield, this is based more on hope then expectation as McAllisters historic injury problems at all his clubs make the chances of a long run of appearances pretty slim.

Quoted from BackHeelTony

Yes relegation is a concern but will sacking the manager really improve things?

Slade's appointment was was not a short term fix, his task was to build a team capable of challenging for promotion and this will take time and therefore require our patience.

I doubt there is another manager out there that can bring immediate success on our budget, whilst playing like Brazil!

I fear changing the manager now will mean relegation will become a real possibility.

For now maybe we should accept this mundane season as a stepping stone to future success.

UTM

If we don’t change the manager relegation is a real possibility

My real anger is not at Fenty  although he has made several mistakes,my anger is at the sycophants who surround him and shield him from the reality of how dire the situation is by trying to lamely justify him

Quoted from BackHeelTony

Yes relegation is a concern but will sacking the manager really improve things?

Slade's appointment was was not a short term fix, his task was to build a team capable of challenging for promotion and this will take time and therefore require our patience.

I doubt there is another manager out there that can bring immediate success on our budget, whilst playing like Brazil!

I fear changing the manager now will mean relegation will become a real possibility.

For now maybe we should accept this mundane season as a stepping stone to future success.

UTM

As it stands next season we will have Dixon, Kelly, Hooper, Rose, Bolawinra, Cardwell, Osborne, Jones, Dembele. Realistically I would only want three of them anywhere near my starting eleven and I wouldn't want four of them in my match day squad. Hardly shaping up for promotion is it?

If Slade can retain the loyalty of his squad we will stay up. While they put in the effort, I will support them limited though some of them are. Key issues :-
1. Don't rush Jamey Osborne back. Nowhere near strong enough yet.
2. Play to Sam Jones' strengths and keep him on the pitch.
3. Give Clifton a start or two.
4. Keep Davies at left back.
5. Get more young supporters in, FREE if necessary, tired of seeing only old farts like me in the upper. Role here for the TRUST?
6. Cherish the away support. e.g. £! off either Home ticket or Club shop etc. with stub for away tickets. ( awaits fury of STH'S!)
7. Embrace change at all levels.

I never understood the notion that we ‘never challenged for the title in the Conference’. We were top until March in 12/13 and we were two points behind Barnet at Easter Weekend in 14/15.

I am sure it was the Fishy that discovered  Hurst ( with Scott )

Also Vardy .