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TheRealJohnLewis
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OK that's one instance of a person running the club. Numerous other people have run the club such as Huxford, Ramsden, Carr etc. There may have been bra-gate like incidents with the others, if there have I can't recall them.

Most football clubs are run by rich individuals. Most people (even on here) want to replace one rich fan such as JF with another rich man like (for the sake of argument) Ross rather than commnal ownership. I think fan ownership, like communism, sounds great on paper, but runs up against the problem of putting someone in charge who then becomes the decision maker (a de facto chairman).


Surely having a board with 5, 7, 9 members whatever, you put issues to the vote and each board member has an equal vote. Obviously, you have a chair, which we don't have now but they have the same voting power as each other member.  At present (correct me if I'm wrong) one share equals one vote which means JF can push through whatever he likes.

The stumbling block is always going to be raising the capital in the first place to oust JF and getting him to relinquish power.

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The stumbling block is always going to be raising the capital in the first place to oust JF and getting him to relinquish power.



Maybe a couple of us could use our massive influence and bully him into leaving?
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Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis


Surely having a board with 5, 7, 9 members whatever, you put issues to the vote and each board member has an equal vote. Obviously, you have a chair, which we don't have now but they have the same voting power as each other member.  At present (correct me if I'm wrong) one share equals one vote which means JF can push through whatever he likes.

The stumbling block is always going to be raising the capital in the first place to oust JF and getting him to relinquish power.



As far as I am aware the board vote is 1 vote per board member with a extra casting vote to the Chairman (none) if there is an equal vote.
Maybe the trust can confirm this.


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Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis


Surely having a board with 5, 7, 9 members whatever, you put issues to the vote and each board member has an equal vote. Obviously, you have a chair, which we don't have now but they have the same voting power as each other member.  At present (correct me if I'm wrong) one share equals one vote which means JF can push through whatever he likes.

The stumbling block is always going to be raising the capital in the first place to oust JF and getting him to relinquish power.



A group like The Fishy Five should run the club then?


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OK that's one instance of a person running the club. Numerous other people have run the club such as Huxford, Ramsden, Carr etc. There may have been bra-gate like incidents with the others, if there have I can't recall them.

Most football clubs are run by rich individuals. Most people (even on here) want to replace one rich fan such as JF with another rich man like (for the sake of argument) Ross rather than commnal ownership. I think fan ownership, like communism, sounds great on paper, but runs up against the problem of putting someone in charge who then becomes the decision maker (a de facto chairman).

Remember Ebbsfleet's great egalitarian scheme for collective ownership? It collapsed and they are now owned by a rich Kuwaiti!


(1) This thread was started by Jock who is calling for fan ownership. I agree with him. Not everyone does but I think it's time to start the debate.

(2) Ebbsfleet was a completely different model to ownership by a properly constituted Trust running a football club in the interests of the community. Ebbsfleet was a bunch a people who crowd-funded the acquisition of the football club, with each shareholder in the new company having a say in the team selection. That went mammaries up because you basically had a bunch of amateurs who knew nothing about football management and cared even less for Ebbsfleet (formerly Gravesend and Northfleet) and once things didn't go as they hoped started to disappear. It was the football equivalent of vanity publishing.

(3) Collective ownership - nothing says you can't put someone in charge. Most sensible proponents would agree that you need a board. A board of equals mind, not a majority shareholder and major creditor who calls the shots. And especially not one who doesn't defend the interests of his stakeholders and who threatens to take his pitch home with him if he doesn't get his way. The board appoint a manager for the football side and other specialists as appropriate. Nothing strange there.


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Whoever owned the club would still get stick on here when things don’t go as expected.

Anyway the margin between profit and loss is quite small at Town so whoever came in would need to have some considerable resreves to cover any liabilities, big ask that.


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Ok so I'm not as vocal as others but I do reflect a hell of a lot especially with close to heart topics like this. Look, we've been venting our concerns on here for a while about the current regime but is it time to constructively and formally issue them to the club?

Get our message out there and be heard. Is this what the trust would do on behalf of GTFC fishy?
Must be a platform to voice our concerns formally and adult like without going to the extremes of boycott and/protest.

If the formalities don't work then the club has forced us into plan B
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As far as I am aware the board vote is 1 vote per board member with a extra casting vote to the Chairman (none) if there is an equal vote.
Maybe the trust can confirm this.




That is my understanding, one seat one vote!

Is it an odd number on the board?
Fenty
Day
Chapman
Trust fella
Marley

Therefore provided they all vote one way or another there is no need for anyone to have casting vote
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As far as I am aware the board vote is 1 vote per board member with a extra casting vote to the Chairman (none) if there is an equal vote.
Maybe the trust can confirm this.




There cannot be an equal vote if there are an odd number of people on the board, which i think is the case. If you take the appointment of Woods for instance, i was told that JF and one other wanted Slade but Mike Parker wanted Woods and two other board members went with that. It's easy to say that JF makes all the decisions, but i don't think that is the case.

I discussed fan ownership as well and he was of the same mind as Moosey. Great idea in principle but not practical in reality.
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Whoever ultimately runs the club there has to have a long term plan that is not fixed on short terminism

If it was said that in 5 years we could have a modern new stadium, a youth system towards the upper end of the academy system, producing players. A strategy of having 4/5 older experienced leaders in the squad but the others about getting youngsters through, either home produced or picked from the bigger boys when deemed not quite good enough for Prem/ Championship clubs.

The structure must be fully thought through and agreed. The first team manager can change but only if the new man buys into this plan, no deviation.

Above all the plan must be communicated, updated and the fans involved and educated as to the methods and aims of the plan.

It must have the community at its heart and needs skill to be effectively sold to the fan base.

If it means, at worst  we tread water for five years or so whilst the plan has a chance to bed in and produce then would YOU accept that?

I think I might despite maybe not having a huge time left to see if it works!
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